- Lollipop scene one, take one, shot seven.
- Hi, I'm Dasha from QS, and here
with us, today, we've got Rebecca.
Tell us a little bit about yourself.
- So, I've just graduated university.
I did three years, a three year course
for digital film production, at Ravensbourne,
which is quite a small university in London.
And now that I've graduated, it's
just trying to find work, 'cause I freelance.
- The usual challenge that I'm sure every graduate faces.
Where was the university based,
for those that don't know where Ravensbourne is.
- So it's based in London, and specifically, in Greenwich,
so it's literally right opposed the O2 Arena,
if you know where that is.
- Of course, who doesn't?
I think it's somewhere in this shot, actually, isn't it?
I think it's right behind us, yeah, so that's the O2.
Was it a creative university, essentially,
of arts and--?
- Very much so.
It's specifically for creative subjects,
so there's fashion, there's architecture,
there's film, there's TV, there's a lot of creative things,
which makes it such a nice environment,
because everyone's doing the same sort of thing,
and they really encourage you to work
with different people in different courses.
So my second year, we had a specific unit,
where you had to work with other courses
to create a project, which was really cool,
'cause you meet new people, as well.
- Of course, so you have sort of lots
of essentially transferrable skills, etc,
alongside your film skills, as well.
- Yeah, definitely.
We got to work with the composing group,
and I learnt a bit of how to compose,
which was kinda cool.
So yeah, it was good.
And what made you want to go into film?
What was kind of, apart from the obvious reasons?
That it's probably the coolest job you could have.
- It's cool, but it's also a lot of work.
My dad actually does, in fact, he does
this sort of thing, like interviews, and stuff,
with another university.
- Is he famous?
- We will be, though, don't worry.
- But yeah, he works at St. George's University,
in London, and does a lot of filming there.
And so I've kind of always grown up
around cameras, and stuff, and then,
I actually wanted to be an actress, originally,
and then I realized that--
- So did I.
- It's not the way I want to go,
so then I realized behind camera is what I want to do.
When did that change happen?
- So I did my college, so I went
to the BRIT school, as well, where
I did acting, and then I was a bit confused
as to what I wanted to do, because
they kind of told us about university,
but there were no other, there weren't
really other options that they kinda mentioned.
It was university or nothing, or work.
- [Dasha] Or good luck.
- [Rebecca] Yeah, and so I kind of took the year out.
I went and worked with my dad
in the media department at St. George's,
and then I was like, actually, I really enjoy this.
I was editing for them.
I was editing their projects, alongside doing
my own YouTube channel, so I was learning loads
of different skills at once, and I was like,
this year's kind of taught me a lot
about editing, and camera work, and stuff,
so then I decided to apply to university.
- So it kind of just fell into place,
quite naturally, I suppose.
So how old were you when you started your YouTube channel?
- Well, the first channel
I have is 12 years old, in September.
- Wow, and you're 16.
Yeah, so it's long, but the channel that I made--
- So when you were 10 years old?
Sorry, that took me a very long time to work out.
- So yeah, that's long, but I don't use
that channel anymore, so the channel
that I use now is about four and a half years.
- So solid following, solid build.
Okay, so filming is obviously sort of
something that requires a lot of experience,
and I suppose contacts, etc.
Why did you decide to actually go to university for that,
and not pursue a different route?
- So I know people who chose not
to go to university, and still work
in the film industry, whereas I decided
to go to university, because I felt
like I hadn't done a media course, before,
so I wanted to learn a lot more.
And it also made me realize that
I didn't want to go into editing,
and I actually really do well as a producer role,
so all the organizing of the film.
So it made me realize, actually,
what I wanted to do, which is good.
- That's such a success story, to
really kind of explore the different options.
So you started with actress, and then
you realized, actually, it's behind the camera,
but then, not just behind the camera,
but specifically producing.
- Yeah, it was really good.
And with the course at Ravensbourne, as well,
it's very practical, and they encourage
you to do all different roles within film.
So we got to direct, produce, camera work,
edit, art department, everything,
so it's really good opportunity to get from it.
- [Dasha] So specifically, the course,
and the fact that they sort of pushed
you to try different things that has made
you realize that producing was for you?
- Yeah, definitely.
I went there with the intention of being an editor,
and I soon realized that editing,
like YouTube videos, and stuff that I was used to,
with working with my dad, was completely different
to editing short films.
I was like, actually, maybe not,
and producing was what I wanted to do.
And so now you've graduated a year ago?
Is that right? - No, this year.
- Oh, just now?
- Thank you. - What's now?
Do you have any idea, have you been applying to things?
How are you feeling?
- It's daunting.
It's very daunting.
It's hard, because also, the industry is
very busy, and everyone's trying to get work,
and I've been lucky enough to kind of
accidentally fall into jobs, through,
actually, my flatmates, and friends.
So a production assistant for a creative agency
in London, and they've offered me work today,
which is great, so I've got three jobs lined up, now.
- Three jobs?
As in, they're all three different jobs, or--?
- Yeah, three different shoots, yeah.
So it's getting there.
It's just-- - That's really,
really, really impressive.
Guys, if you don't have three jobs lined up
from the day you graduate, that's okay.
- Like I said, I fell into it, really,
by accident, but I've also been applying
for a lot of other stuff that I haven't got,
so it's all just about trying to get your foot in.
And then once people work with you,
they've asked me back-- - They trust you.
- They've asked me back several times,
so it's been good to work with them.
- Okay, so you've found that connections are
sort of more effective than kind of the formal applying
to jobs, and trying to knock on the door.
- Yeah, definitely.
And Ravensbourne, that was one of the first things
they kind of said, they're like, make
your connections, 'cause they're the people,
when you talk to them, if you work
with them at least once, chances are
they're gonna get you more work, which happened to me.
- Which is true.
- Well, if you're good, obviously.
Which you are.
- I hope.
- So do you feel that university's
really played a role in kind of helping
you secure this job that you have now,
or do you feel that it was kind
of more your own achievement.
How hard did you have to get involved in that?
- The tutors on the course were
really helpful in that sense.
They kind of always pushed us to take
on work, if we didn't have specific lectures
at a time, and we were offered work.
They always told us to go and take it,
'cause it's obviously gonna lead to more work, hopefully.
So they were very, what's the word?
- Yes, encouraging of everyone working,
and getting jobs, so yeah.
- And getting paid.
- Were there a lot of unpaid internships,
actually, that you had to do?
'Cause I think there's a bit
of a reputation for that, isn't there?
- Yeah, I did a few things for free,
which, they were good experiences,
and it gave me good connections.
I'm trying to think, have I had paid work
from anyone, that I've done for free?
- I'm not sure.
- Interesting, so maybe it's not worth it.
- Yeah, sometimes.
We were always told that, at a certain point,
you have to start charging, because
you can't always work for free, of course.
- [Dasha] Time is money, after all.
That's what I say to everyone.
- And especially in TV and film, people are always like,
oh, it's the experience that's gonna help you,
and you're like, yes, but I also need to be paid.
- Yeah, and so I've got rent to pay.
If you were to give any advice
to sort of students and applicants, out there,
especially those interested in film,
or sort of pursuing creative jobs, what would it be?
How do they get to the point that
you're in, right now, which is comfortable, and lovely,
and you've obviously got an exciting future ahead of you?
- I think it's, just be yourself, and work hard.
My course was very practical, so although
we didn't have any tests, or anything,
we were always busy making films, and working.
So it wasn't like a university where you kinda had time off.
Even in the holidays, we were out making films.
- Which is contrary to what most students think
universities are about, right?
- So it was, just work hard, and you should be fine.
- Okay, so you're saying fill the time
that you have with useful things.
So if you've got a free week, do
something about it, don't just wait for things to happen.
- Yes, definitely don't just wait for things to happen.
I have regretted not taking opportunities
in the past, so definitely take anything that you can.
- Do you have an example you can share with us?
- Lemme think.
- Take your time.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything,
but I know I--
- Was it a job, or something?
- Just like--
- Or a project that someone's offered?
- At Ravensbourne they bring in a lot
of guests to guest speak, and do guest lectures,
and stuff, and a lot of the time
I was busy doing something else,
and I kinda wished I'd had the time
to go to them, 'cause obviously,
it would be talking to people in the industry,
and hopefully getting networking,
and potentially even jobs from them.
So I kind of missed that, which is kind of sad,
but I was doing other things.
- [Dasha] So you wish you freed up a little bit more time
to kind of connect with--
- [Rebecca] Yeah, finding the balance, I think, works.
- [Dasha] Okay, and just letting yourself do
what you want, I guess, right?
Sometimes just doing what you're interested in.
- [Rebecca] Definitely.
Do what you enjoy, and it doesn't feel like work.
- Okay, great, well thank you so much, Rebecca,
and all the best, in your future.
- Thank you.
- 'Cause filmmaking is difficult, people.
- [Rebecca and Friend] Bye!