This is Deliverance Ministry.FM video cast number 50.
Hello again everyone.
Welcome to this episode of Deliverance Ministry.fm where we give you proven insights about the
demonic realm and deliverance ministry so that you can wage spiritual warfare more effective.
My name is Dr Don Ibbitson with Above & Beyond Christian counseling.
And I'm joined once again with my colleague and cohost Dr Phyllis Tarbox.
Hello everyone.
It's good to be here.
Phyllis.
We enjoy doing these.
We do these recorded much of them at one time actually.
And so we're just plowing through.
These were um, and um, you know, any good God is here.
I've enjoyed doing the ones we've done so far and I think we have an excellent topic
this time.
Don't you think?
So do you think can be addressed.
It needs to be addressed.
The title is be alone.
Be destroyed.
Who I almost feel like better.
Go find somebody and I think you could make a movie about that.
Getting goofy.
We see many people in here for counseling coming in for deliverance.
They profess the Lord or Profess Christ, they love the Lord.
They love Jesus, but they're not in church.
Right?
And there's a variety of reasons for that and we're probably getting into some of that.
But the problem is I can see in general, and I will say for me personally, I don't think
I've ever met one spiritually healthy person or a couple that's not been a, it's been out
of church for a long period of time.
And I think that's the key thing.
There's some people that are seasons and there's transitions.
I get that, but, but they've ever been out of church for a long time, like months and
months and months.
They're not healthy.
And the Bible has so many encouragements and admonitions and directions, um, and really
warnings against.
I'm trying to live the Christian life alone or in a bubble and we see that.
And so we want to examine that topic in light of what the word says because at the end of
the day, I mean, are, you know, tell people her our opinions and, you know, $3 will buy
you a cup of coffee.
It's really an honor, I can tell you from our experience, we're very strong advocates
and encouraging people to be in a good, healthy spirit filled Bible believing word, preaching
church.
Um, so we're going to share some of the experience we've had with clients who haven't, who have
been isolated and, and once again, you know, we'll see.
This is, you know, this is not a flesh and blood thing.
This is a spiritual struggle keeping people out of church.
So that's the topic.
Be alone, be destroyed.
What does the Bible say?
Let's go to the word that's our ultimate source.
What is the word say about, um, you know, in terms of believers and where we should
be.
Well, he didn't create us to walk alone.
He cried.
He knows you
anywhere in the Bible that you see God's people were always gathered in tribes.
And you know, that's how we first recognized a lot of this where the 12 tribes, right?
And then in the purpose of the tribe was basically for the protection of the people.
Um, even the way they settled, like when the tribes moved across the wilderness, they,
they settled.
I'm like, they did in the old west days, they settled, settled in, like circles, joined
together, shields locked.
We talk about this a lot at our church.
Um, but, but he, he also gave the, the inheritance and the promises out to the tribes.
Like if you look at numbers 26, 55, it says, but the land shall be divided by lot.
They still receive their inheritance according to the names of the tribes have their fathers.
So, you know, he, he never said, I'm going to know.
Well I won't say that he wanted, didn't address individuals, but you know, when he was blessing
he was always about the tribes because the tribes, they were aligned very specifically
to move God's presence.
You know, I don't want to get into too much of it, but there were certain tribes that
were aligned in the front leg Judah and is the car in Zemulon that were.
Judah goes first with praise.
This car is the timing.
And then Debbie lawn was the financial promise and the blessings and I, and I think, you
know, as our tribes were more the warfare tribes that bring up the rear guard, you know,
that protect them from behind, but it was all, all the tribes were set around this arc
for the movement of God's presence.
So he was, uh, he was, uh, he was, uh, he was a numbers kind of guy.
Even see that in Luke 15, 14 where God talks about how he'll send.
It's about going out in retrieving the one lost sheep and bringing it back to the fold
where it belongs, right?
Because it shouldn't be out there by.
It's by itself.
He says, what, what man among you, if he has 100 sheep and has lost one of them, does not
leave the 99 in the open pasture and go after the one that is lost.
That's a good phrase.
That implies that the one who's on his own, he lost his last.
And you know, you started off with a good theological and biblical to tribes and all
that good stuff.
And I'm sure some part of our audience just gravitating onto that and it's good stuff
and it's biblical, but I come back, I just like, I like the earthy, simple analogy that
Jesus uses in the New Testament and he talks about that we are sheep.
You touched on it.
We are sheep and sheep need other sheep and they need a pastor.
And there's other scriptures talks about shepherds, you know, that Jesus is the shepherd.
We are sheep.
And you know, for many people get offended at that because let's face it, she's the brightest
animals in the face of the earth.
It's all good.
Okay?
Now y'all know who I to, but I'm sure there's somebody new interpretation of that.
And um, but the whole picture, she pits so good because part of it is, like you say they
were herds.
I mean sheep are designed to be in a herd and we need to shepherd.
And yes we understand Jesus is the great shepherd.
But I think the church model, there were shepherds, you know, bob talks about pastors, elders
and teachers.
So that whole implication, it's it, it's talking about, you know, like you said, it has the
things what the tribes and they looked this one in the new testaments, like man, we are
our sheet and even in the old, in the new testament it talks about in the book of acts
about the gathering together.
Right?
And so that's part of the model for the, uh, for, for the Church and um, that, that we
are, that we are to be together.
And so I think that's, uh, that, that the notion of going in, being back in the fold
and in the fold there's protection, right?
And so do so many there.
But let's be honest, we, we say, you know, many people who for a variety of reasons,
um, they're not in a, in a, in a, in a, in a herd, putting it like that, a healthy herd.
And so what, what are some of the, what are some of the things that, you know, excuses
or things that you've typically heard?
Well, honestly, they, that they don't have a church that's like perfect enough, you know,
they love Jesus, but they don't like his church because there's people there.
So they leave, like they're wounded, they're hurt, they've lost hope.
Um, and it's because, you know, they really, they got this ideal that what it should look
like.
Uh, and, and they, and they, they don't like the church and you know, you'll hear that
too from a lot of the young people.
They don't like that.
They don't like the old their parents way at church.
They want, they want something new.
We don't want to go to that stuffy stuff.
We want, you know, and I know there has to be some new wine for the young people and
there's a lot of different things that are out there.
But, you know, I think that, I think that's what a lot of people do.
They, they wound up wounded or they're, they're not fed and they just back off and don't go
back.
We see that a lot.
They've been wounded men in church or maybe the church for whatever reason.
Maybe you know, I think people go to church because they want to find God there, go and
if, if you're in a place in an environment where you don't experience the presence of
God or God's not there on there the worship of the teaching and then people get double
disillusion and we see that in the church nowadays.
I don't know the numbers off hand, but it's certainly in the United States.
I mean a lot of people are abandoning the traditional church and we can, you know, all
the discussions about.
I know the church is not a building, it's the people, but still we find many people
who are isolated.
They're not with a group of people.
Many times, yeah, maybe they were bored and when they got hurt they got wounded.
So they stay at home.
And the problem nowadays, and I think it is a problem because people can rationalize,
well, I don't need to go to church.
I can just turn on my TV.
Oh, I know.
I hear that all the time and I, I know quite a few people that do that.
They just do Internet church and they're completely isolated and they've separated from everybody
else,
right?
They will.
And, and I get it.
Some churches broadcast there, um, I guess their services right.
And they can pray him and they can send in their money and their title and whatnot.
And so once again, you know, it's a good supplement.
You know, there's plenty of churches out there that I love to watch online but you, but you,
the idea of churches corporate to worship the Lord, to come together and to worship
him.
Don't you think that's a big part of it?
I think it is.
That's the model that we have and there's that weird the Gavin because when you get
people together and you're right, there's no such thing as a perfect church, but I believe
in the proverbs that talk about iron sharpening iron, right?
And you need to be in close proximity and, and, and, and the, the, that fellowship and
is more than just teaching.
Yes.
You don't need to go, you know, you can get teaching on TV and there is good teaching
and there's some good ministries and churches that have cheating and you're right, it can
be a good supplement, but that's not church.
I'm just going to say that's not church.
That's not Ecclesia, that's not the gathering of believers.
You know, it's, it's, um, you know, you see in the, in the old, you know, a lot of people.
I, I kinda laugh.
People talk about having the New Testament, the new testament church.
Well, the new testament model, people would, a lot of times they would meet in people's
homes, it would fellowship and then the other dynamic which we lose sight of as the church
grew, get gang busters because they were persecuted and they were scattered.
We tend to blow past that part, but, but there's a lot of home churches and smaller.
But however, the gathering of the bullying either.
And so once again, church on TV is fine and praise God for anointed, gifted and talented
and teachers of the word.
But that's not church with some people.
You just, well, you know too far.
Oh, I can't find one and I get it sometimes, you know, we do Internet things and people
all over this car, literally all over the world and sometimes people live in the only
live out in the rural areas or in the sticks and maybe there aren't good churches or there's
a church, but it's not a right.
And I don't know, that's a tough.
That's a tough one.
But I think if you traveled to your church, um, you're blessed, you know, sometimes you're
going to have to travel to find that place of worship, but you'll be bled.
I travel a long way.
I think a long way to go to my terror side.
It's not in my neighborhood, it's pretty far, but I'll tell you what, it's so worth the
spiritual camaraderie in the tribe being in the sealed locking to be in the right place.
So if you have to drive, you know, then even if you're on the country right now, just talking
about city folks, I believe God's going to honor that.
And sometimes people can be so critical.
There's lots of good churches all over and maybe they're not perfect churches, but you
go, you spend time, uh, you plug in there, you know when serve, I believe God's going
to honor that.
Right?
Right.
So I'm just going to.
It's just too far to go.
There's no good churches.
I think that's, that's the exception rather than the norm for most people.
But it's a big excuse.
And
I, and I think it's funny because I don't think I've, I don't, I don't want this to
always be forever, but I've never gone to a church.
It's been close to my house.
I've always traveled like across the bridges some way or another to have to go to a church,
but you know, you want to find the one that's the fit.
That's a good fit.
Well, exactly.
And I think if you just have the mindset when the white God wants me to go, we talks about
don't forsake the gathering together.
I think the Bible is very clear.
We're, we're, I believe, commanded felony.
It's not.
I don't think it's an negotiable.
I think we really need to be committed to pursuing and seeking out a church home.
Right.
I think it's very clear and there might be a coroner case of people who for whatever
reason just can't get our domain, but that's not, that's going to be, that's not the norm
at all.
Most times we just get, we just don't want to make the effort and because it's too easy
to fall back into the TV, sit at home with your coffee in front of the TV and watch and
watch TV.
But you know, certain temperaments are going to like that too.
Right?
Yup.
I mean that can rationalize, hey, I'm using the word of God.
I'm getting, you know, that's my church or you know, I watch so and so.
That's fine.
No, I know.
I have a lot of friends that do that too.
They pick some of these big ministries and they just tie them to him and sit at home
and you don't ever see him.
They don't see and they're missing out.
They're missing out on so, so much.
And so sometimes it's not that, well, I don't watch tv, I just have the word [inaudible],
I just, I just have the word of God, I have the Bible and that's it's just me and God
and they'll use that.
I don't, I tend to find a church I like, I don't need that.
I have the word of God speaks to me and you'll hear that and that's, and that's.
And that's their answer.
And then they set up home fellowships with just them and their family and they don't
have anybody else that they're accountable to but them in.
Then it's, and they stay at home and there's no outside influence, no fresh water or nothing,
no fresh, but they just stayed home and they do their family Bible study on Sunday mornings
instead.
It's concerning, isn't it?
It is.
And I think it's, it's another form of isolation.
It's like you gotta have, you know, I, I just, I think if, if people are just on their own
and there's no accountability and there's no sort of covering over the tree is too easy
to get led astray.
You're right.
Because sometimes, well it's gotten.
I mean, just think who's in the room.
They're your spirit, your flesh, your unrenewed mind is you might have the Holy Spirit there,
you have the word of God, but if there's no discernment, there's another voice in the
room too.
And that's a demonic realm.
They will, you know, we see the influences of the demonic realm even in churches and
in high powered, in bigger churches with more structure, more kind of.
But you can imagine if there's no structure, no accountability, and there's just, you know,
me and God and no more.
It's like, yeah, it's too easy to go stream.
And we've seen that and they get, you know, just, um, I think it's easy to be misled.
Becomes the demonic round can become the third voice in the conversation and people can't
discern it.
They don't pick up on it.
They don't.
Many times they don't have the teaching, they don't have the word of God.
People you know, to, to balance it.
Or they get, they don't know enough or they're just, you know, they don't have something
to counter would say, no, that's not God.
That's not God.
That's not right.
Right, and you know, plenty of times we've all been in church where we've had, we've
gone off astray with some thought process or some thinking pattern that were going on
and we go to church and boy, somebody just has to give a word or you know, I've been
corrected plenty of times where it's like, wow, thanks [inaudible].
I could really.
I could have made that my religion going off on that, that channel.
But they brought me right back into focus.
Yeah, exactly.
Sometimes because it's the whole word of God.
It talks about.
I think it's an Isaiah, the whole word of God and complete line upon line, precept upon
precept and hopefully in a healthy church that's preaching the whole Bible, the whole
not just the parts they liked and ignoring the parts they don't like and yeah, some sort
of accountability and some sort of competence.
And so once again, these aren't guaranteed but they are safeguards.
So I think that's part of the dangerous people even if they're not doing it on church, just
off by themselves and then take much to get off the narrow road.
Toxic Matthew seven, 13, 14.
About the narrow road that leads to life and alive.
You get off the narrow road sometimes, you know, sometimes you're driving on the shoulder
and going off the cliff and don't even know it.
So that's another, um, admonition and direction to, uh, to really be in church.
And, and we, we touched, we, we've, um, we talked about in the Bible and you know, even
with Jesus, I mean, you know, he had his 12, he had his, he had his small little, he had
his little church and there was others.
I mean, there was more than just a 12.
I think there was another group that we're part of his entourage, I guess you could say.
And so, um, and then in an accident, Church of acts, we touched on acts 2:42.
They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles teaching and to fellowship
and to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
So fellowship, that's, that's the part of it that sometimes if you're, if you're alone,
where's the fellowship?
Right?
Where's the fellowship with other believers?
And Fellowship is more than going to a baseball game and you know, it's, there's no, there's,
there's that, you know, that socialization, right?
And iron sharpening iron.
I think it needs to take place kind of in the context of fellowship because we can,
you know, we get a better revelation.
Say, Hey, we're all works in progress here.
And so, um, so that's, um, that's, that's, that's something.
So that's, that's pretty clear that that was to happen.
And so, and, and, and in First Corinthians 12, 12 talks about that we are the,
where the body and the body is one and yet they have many members and all the members
of the body though they are many are one body, so also Christ.
And then the body is defined in Colossians 1:24.
So that we're clear on this.
Now I rejoice in my suffering for your sake.
And in my flesh, I do my share on behalf of his body, which is the church in filling up
what is lacking in Christ's afflictions.
So here you have it.
And another scripture in a, it's probably in that same section.
I was more, one, one part of the body has said, well, I don't want you, I don't need,
you know, what, I don't want you to, I don't need you, you know, or, or, you know, our
finger are our toll.
Kango often kind of do its own thing.
So part of that mindset of the body of Christ.
And I think sometimes we lose track of that, that it's that, you know, um, and I believe
as we get isolated, we would just get mad at the body, you know, truthfully, we're mad
at the body can, we'd love Jesus, but we're mad at the bond.
It's like, you know, bearing with each other and I love it.
Citizen Collagen's forgiving whatever grievances you may have against one another.
And, and, um, so that, that, that, that definitely can happen.
But yeah, that's another thing.
It talks about the, we're, that we're one body and somebody, um, but we've seen it so
many times we're where people, something happens, they get traumatized in church, they get abused,
they get mistreated.
Or I've had it where the pastor, you know, people have made the pastors and I love Sarah,
or they put the man of God and he runs off with the church secretary and, and they get
mad.
They get married, which, and, and their, and their faith gets shipwrecked.
Well, was it wrong for the pastor to, to, uh, to do that?
Of course, yeah, of course it was, but it's an equally wrong for that person to della
have their faith shipwrecked because of that.
They put that man of God or on an idol made him an idol if you like.
And you know, and at some point you got to get the revelation and st man that was, you
know, he's flesh and blood to or whatever, whatever, the offense that wasn't God's will.
And that was the thing of the enemy.
I'm not going to let that ship wreck my faith.
And so it's just.
But we've seen it sometimes people for a long time are literally isolated and you know.
Yeah.
And they'll pull out on that offense.
They will.
Just one example.
But there's others that just, you know, there's many way people get offended and they just,
they get weary, they get tired.
Yeah, they do.
They do.
I had, I had one client that, that had been out of church for a long time, long time,
and she was struggling with a lot of different problems and she had a, she had a dream that
she was like a little lamb.
It was the cutest thing.
I don't think she knew that much about the Bible, but she was a little lamb and she was
snuggling up along the legs of Jesus and just, you know, just purring around in like a little
cat, you know, that picture and that he took her and he brought her back to the fold and
I said that's that scripture about the lost sheep.
And she was a cat.
Except she was.
No, she was a laminar enter dream.
But she was moving around like a cat.
You know, how cats kind of move around your legs.
But.
But she's.
But that's what I said, you know, and that's because you've been lost and you know, I watched
her after she went through counseling and you know, we got rid of a lot of that because
there, there is a spirit of hiding that comes in with that that will cause you to just be
comfortable and hide and retreat and isolation.
Yeah.
And we, we cast that thing out.
Um, she ended up joining a, one of the bigger churches, which was surprising and most of
the time a lot of those people go to the smaller ones, but then she went to a bigger one and
just really plugged right in.
So it was good to see.
But Nice alation often times if you've been out for a long time and you've got all this
rationalization and all this hardcore stuff that you're backing it up with, you know,
you need to look again because God did create a salt be together and it could be something
that's really trying to sabotage a lot of your walk with him.
Lord, I think.
Yeah, that's what's in you or what's going on in your life.
I would say the issue is if you're isolated and none of the issues you're not, there's
no such thing as a perfect church and, and you know, just going in, bearing, finding
a good home church where you can plug in.
Sometimes people, I think going with a scorecard, you know, when a grade book and they just
started marking the religious spirit that we are the we talked about in a previous session
and, and rather than how can I be served or what, how can I get mad and you know, going
through the buffet line at a restaurant, it's like, well, what, you know, what's the heart
of the people, what's the heart of the pastor and how can I plug in, how can I serve?
You know, even Jesus didn't come to be served but to serve.
And so if he's our model, yeah, you want to be in a healthy church.
Healthy churches are alive.
Church is an organism and it's alive and it should be growing and, but there's life there
and it's where God is.
He's in the midst of his people and so you find one they're there and you plug in.
Um, and I think that's going to be, you know, part of the prayer, and I tell people all
the time is just go out sometimes you know what to use the very telling now too.
You got to start kissing some fraud.
Yes.
Go look for some churches, go just go, you know, just go, you know, I can tell you over
the years, um, my wife and I haven't been out of church for more than a couple of weeks
at a time.
We haven't, we're not sure.
Choppers, I think of all our years of walks with the Lord, we've probably only been in,
in over 30 plus years, like four or five churches and I'm just gets close.
And so, you know, so it, all that time we've never been between churches that long because
we've recognized, oh no, we need to be in church and we want to be in church.
And so if you have a, you know, it's.
So it's like the Nike Ad, you know, just if you're isolated, like just do it.
I tell people, just get up, start going, research, ask some friends, press.
Just start going say, Lord, is this the church home that you have for me?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I just, I just did that with a client.
You know, he, he came in, he was, hadn't been in church I think for like 25, 30 years anyway,
and he wanted to go through deliverance and I said, no, I really did.
I said, will pray for you when you start to connect with the body because the last thing
I want to do is take you through deliverance.
Have you get hammered by a spirit isolation again.
So bless his heart.
He just started going out and trying all these different churches and he found one that he
thought he liked and then he tried another and he liked that one even better and he got
so plugged in and so on.
Fire for the Lord and his deliverance was awesome.
Awesome.
Yeah, that's, that's important to you.
It is.
Right?
And that's part of our encouragement for people have to be in a good healthy church because
a, I think it's really hard to stay free.
It is the afterwards, plus all the other benefits.
We get fed there.
We get to serve.
Um, and so, but you know, it takes, there's a law of inertia sometimes if you're not,
if you're not doing and if you need the limits in the, I get deliverance.
But I think your point is well taken.
Just start, say, just believe in your heart.
Jesus, you have a church home for me, you and yes you are my great shepherd, but you
know, just start going in and just, you know, is the spirit of God there.
Do the people worship?
Do they preach the word, you know, and just, and have grace.
Bear with each other and love.
Don't, you know, just won't be a perfect church.
And you know, maybe going a couple of times, yeah, that's not the right one.
Okay, fine.
We'll just move on.
You move on.
And.
But I believe you have to have the mindset that it's fundamentally unhealthy to be alone,
to be isolated.
You know, God created eve is, it's not good for man to be alone.
Well, he gave me, but I think the church is not good for us to be.
So that's really the point that we're, that we're trying to try and make.
So any final thoughts on any of this?
Phyllis, you want to share it?
The folks just find your place in the camp industry member that this is really about
us giving back to the Lord.
I mean, church is a place to worship him.
It's a place to offer up that corporate worship and, and, and say thank you.
So, you know, the teaching is a benefit, but I really think it's really about the worship
where we come together and worship the lord as one body.
Yep.
Yep.
Absolutely.
And I would, the thing I would add is kind of touched on it that, you know, this is a
spiritual struggle.
If you're isolated, you fallen victim to a tactic of the enemy.
I mean isolated for a long period of time.
Um, you know, that the thief comes to kill, steal and destroy.
And one of the tactics is just to get us mad and get us isolated and just look at the.
The hunting habits of alliance.
One of the scriptures talks about it.
That seems like a roaring lion looking for whom he may devour.
If you ever watched those, and I'm sure everybody has national geographic type shows where you
see the lions hunting.
I mean they always try to peel off the somebody from the herd they get the week they get the
young are they get the old and you know what?
I haven't even saw one video where they had a herd of elephants.
They peeled off a healthy elephant, one healthy elephant, and they took that elephant down
in a herd of elephants.
They can't even get to the babies because the herd protects them and that that dynamic
is so powerful.
You get an a healthy herd.
There's protection there, there's growth there.
And that can happen.
In Seoul.
It's no, I don't think it's any.
It's no coincidence that that's one of the illustrations.
You used the word about scenes like a roaring lion looking for whom he may devour.
Well, one of the tactics lyons is to isolate, so get plugged in, get plugged in so you can
grow and really prosper in all things.
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So please consider doing that.
It's called the warrior partners page.
Once again, hope you enjoyed it.
Let us know a future topics you'd like us to explore because we really do want to come
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We've hurdled from lot of you, how much you're enjoying these.
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So God bless you and we will talk to you next.
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