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JOSH: THIS SUNDAY, WITH ONLY
DAYS LEFT IN OFFICE, A LOT OF
PEOPLE WONDERING WHAT WILL
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA'S LEGACY
BE.
WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHILE HE WAS
ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH AND WHAT HE
WAS NOT THE REPUBLICANS IN
WASHINGTON ALREADY IN THE
PROCESS OF REVIEWING ONE NOTE OF
THE PRESIDENT'S SIGNATURE LOSS.
WHAT WILL NEW HAMPSHIRE LOOK
LIKE WITH OUT THE OF ADVOCARE
AT.
IN FIVE DAYS, DONALD TRUMP WILL
BE INAUGURATED IN ONE OF THE
MOST STUNNING ELECTION WINS IN
MODERN HISTORY.
NOT TO BE FORGOTTEN, THE
PRESIDENT WE HAVE HAD EIGHT
YEARS.
HERE TO DISCUSS IT, TWO MEN YOU
HIM VERY WELL.
GOOD TO SEE YOU THIS MORNING.
WHEN YOU LOOK BACK OVER THE LAST
YEARS, WHAT STANDS OUT MOST?
IS IT A PERSONAL MOMENT,
SOMETHING THE PRESIDENT DID?
JIM: ONE FROM THE CAMPAIGN
PERSPECTIVE, HOW THE INVIGORATED
GRASSROOTS CAMPAIGNING.
WE SAW IN NEW HAMPSHIRE,
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE VOLUNTEERED
FOR THE CAMPAIGN.
SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT SEEN IN
YEARS.
YOUNG PEOPLE GOT INVOLVED.
WE HAVE NOT SEEN THAT KIND OF
ENGAGEMENT THE VIETNAM WAR.
EVEN THOUGH MOST PEOPLE WILL SAY
THE HEALTH CARE LEGISLATION WAS
PROBABLY HIS BIGGEST
ACCOMPLISHMENT, I THINK IT
REALLY WAS GETTING THE COUNTRY
OUT OF THE RECESSION.
NONE OF THE OTHER STUFF WOULD
HAVE MATTERED.
WE WERE ON THE VERGE OF ECONOMIC
COLLAPSE.
THE STOCK MARKET WAS PLUMMETING.
BANKS WERE IN TROUBLE.
HE REALLY DID LEAVE THE COUNTRY
OUT OF AN ECONOMIC RECESSION TO
WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHERE
UNEMPLOYMENT IS AT UNBELIEVABLE
LOW RATES, THE STOCK MARKET IS
TURNING.
JOSH: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT,
IS IT A CAMPAIGN MOMENT OR
SOMETHING HE ACCOMPLISHED?
NED: CERTAINLY THE
ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT IS AN
EXTRAORDINARY ACHIEVEMENT.
MICHELLE OBAMA DID HER FIRST
COFFEE IN MY HOUSE.
MY WIFE INTRODUCED HER.
AT THAT MOMENT, NO ONE KNEW WHO
SHE WAS.
SHE CAPTIVATED A CROWD OF ABOUT
100 PEOPLE.
YOU COULD HEAR A PIN DROP.
YOU COULD HEAR OF ONGOING THE
SKY HOUSE ONE OTHER ASSET, HIS
LIFE.
ANOTHER IDEALISTS THAT'S ANOTHER
WAS PRIMARY NIGHTS.
BARACK OBAMA CAME INTO A GYM, IN
BEFORE HE GAVE A SPEECH ABOUT
"YES, WE CAN," HE WAS SAYING TO
PEOPLE, "DO NOT WORRY ABOUT
THIS."
YOU HAVE THAT SORT OF "NO DRAMA
OBAMA."
YOU GOT THE SENSE OF THE TIMBRE
HE HAS.
THAT HE IS CALM AND COOL AND HE
DOES NOT GET RUFFLED.
I THINK THAT HAS BEEN THE
HOLIDAY THAT HAS ALLOWED HIM TO
DO THE THINGS THAT JIM TALKED
ABOUT.
TO PERSEVERE WITH THE AUTO
INDUSTRY, THE RECOVERY.
JOSH: HE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY
-- WHAT WAS IT ABOUT HIM?
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A
FIRST-TERM U.S. SENATOR THAT WAS
ABLE TO GENERATE SO MUCH ENERGY.
WHAT YOU THINK HE HAD?
WAS IT JUST THE "IT" FACTOR?
NED: WHAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME
IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE CAME OUT OF
THOSE THINGS, THEY WERE EXCITED
ABOUT OBAMA BUT THEY WERE ALSO
EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THEY COULD
DO.
I THINK HE WAS ABLE TO TRANSFER
THAT SENSE OF YES, WE CAN
ACCOMPLISH THIS.
SO IT WAS NOT JUST "YES, HE
CAN," IT BECAME ABOUT US.
IT WAS MUCH MORE THAN BARACK AND
MICHELLE OBAMA.
IT WAS ABOUT PEOPLE THEMSELVES
AND WHAT THEY COULD DO IF THEY
TOOK ON THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND
OWNED IT.
JIM: I THINK WHAT NED SAID.
BARACK OBAMA HAD THIS AMAZING
POLITICAL MATURITY.
EVEN THOUGH HE HAD ONLY BEEN IN
THE UNITED STATES SENATE TWO
YEARS.
HE EMBRACED PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY
WORK AGAINST HIM AT TIMES.
HE PICKED JOE BIDEN TO BE HIS
VICE PRESIDENT.
HE PICKED HILLARY CLINTON TO BE
SECRETARY OF STATE.
THEY HAD CAMPAIGNED AGAINST HIM.
JOSH GETTING VIDEO NOW OF
BARACK OBAMA IN 2007, I BELIEVE.
AND THAT IS HERE NEW HAMPSHIRE.
JIM: BUT HE HAD THIS MATURE
LEVEL OF "I AM NOT GOING TO LET
THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST
INTERVIEW WITH MY MISSION AND
WHAT I WANT TO DO."
I THINK HE GOVERNED THAT WAY.
THAT HE KNEW IT WOULD BE TOUGH,
BUT HE KEPT GOING BACK AT
THINGS.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, HIS
CENTERPIECE ISSUE THROUGH THAT
ENTIRE CAMPAIGN WAS HEALTH CARE
REFORM.
PEOPLE MAY NOT BE EXCITED.
SOME PEOPLE ABOUT THE FINAL
OUTCOME.
BUT HE CAMPAIGNED AND PROMISED
THAT WAS WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO
AND HE FOLLOWED THROUGH.
JOSH: WHILE REPUBLICANS ARE
POISED TO REPEAL THE ACA, THERE
ARE PROVISIONS THEY SAY THEY
LIKE.
FOR TED KENNEDY PASSED AWAY, HE
SAID BARACK OBAMA WAS THE ONE
GUY WHO COULD HAS UNIVERSAL HAVE
THEIR -- HEALTH CARE.
NED: WHEN WE LOOK BACK AT SOCIAL
SECURITY, THOSE THINGS DID NOT
PASS AND SUDDENLY BECAME --
BECOME PERFECT.
A LOT IS THINGS WENT TO
MODIFYING IT.
SINCE THE ACA PAST, ALL OF THE
REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING REPEAL IT
AS OPPOSED TO LET'S TRY TO FIX
IT.
I THINK YOU WILL SEE IT WILL BE
CALLED "REPEAL IT," BECAUSE THEY
HAVE TO SAY THAT FIRST.
BUT I THINK AND HOPE AT THE END
OF THE DAY, IT IS MORE REFORM
IT, REFINE IT, AND PERFECTED.
JOSH: LET ME ASK ABOUT HIS
LEGACY.
IN THIS ELECTION, BERNIE
SANDERS' EMERGENCE KIND OF
FRACTURE THE PARTY.
D BELIEVE WHEN WE LOOK BACK AT
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND
PRESIDENT OBAMA, IT WILL NOT
FOCUS SO MUCH ON THE FACTOR THAT
HAPPEN CYCLE?
NED: I DO NOT THINK THIS CYCLE
WILL BE A HUGE FRACTURE.
WHEN TED KENNEDY TOOK ON JIMMY
CARTER.
THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES IN THIS
PARTY -- IT IS A RAUCOUS PARTY.
IN THE END, IT IS THE FORWARD
MOVEMENT.
I THINK WHAT WILL BE REMEMBERED
IS THE EXTRAORDINARY ACTIVITY
JIM TALKED ABOUT.
AN AUTO INDUSTRY ABOUT TO FALL
INTO THE ABYSS SAVED.
A COUNTRY ON THE EDGE OF
RECESSION SAVED.
30 MILLION PEOPLE OF HEALTH
INSURANCE.
THEN WE LOOK AT THE POLITICS AND
SAY AND YET PROGRESS WENT ON.
JOSH: HAS A PRESIDENT EVER COME
INTO OFFICE WITH THE EXCITATIONS
BARACK OBAMA HAD ON HIS
SHOULDERS AND THE CHALLENGES IN
MEDIALLY BEFORE HIM?
A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE HE IS
MAGIC -- THREE ALLERGY IS HE IS
A HUMAN BEING.
JIM: THERE IS NO DOUBT HE HAD A
METEORIC RISE FROM WHERE HE WAS
TO BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES.
THE BAR WAS SET OF EXCEPTIONALLY
HIGH.
THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE HE FACED
WAS THE DAY HE GOT ELECTED, THE
OTHER PARTY DECIDED THEY WERE
NOT GOING TO WORK WITH HIM ON
ANYTHING.
HE PROBABLY FACED THE BIGGEST
RESISTANCE, PARTISAN
RESISTANCE, ANY PRESIDENT HAS
SEEN PEOPLE AND WE THINK ABOUT
MITCH MCCONNELL IN THE OPENING
DAYS AFTER HIS SWEARING-IN,
SAYING HIS MISSION WAS TO ENSURE
BARACK OBAMA DID NOT WIN
REELECTION.
HE DID NOT SAY HIS MISSION WAS
TO WORK WITH THE PRESIDENT TO
GET THE ECONOMY RUNNING, HE DID
NOT TALK ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER
ON HEALTH CARE, HE SAID THIS WAS
GOING TO BE PARTISAN GRIDLOCK SO
WE MAKE SURE THIS GUY DOES NOT
WIN AGAIN.
THAT WAS ONE HECK OF AN OBSTACLE
TO HAVE TO OVERCOME.
BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT,
EVEN WITH ALL OF THE POISON AND
GRIDLOCK WE HAVE SEEN THE LAST
EIGHT YEARS IN WASHINGTON, A LOT
STILL GOT DONE.
JOSH: I WILL NOT ASK YOU TO
SPEAK FOR THE PRESIDENT, BUT IF
YOU HAD TO GUESS, IF YOU LOOKS
BACK ON HIS TENURE, IS THERE
SOMETHING HE WOULD RATHER DO
DIFFERENTLY OR DO OVER?
NED: IT IS INTERESTING TO LISTEN
TO HIM, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT GET
TO OVERS.
WHEN HE -- YOU DO NOT GET
DO-OVERS.
WHEN HE PUBLISHES HIS BOOK, I
BELIEVE YOU WILL SEE REFLECTIONS
ON THAT.
I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS GOING
ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST, THOSE
TYPES OF RINGS, YOU WISH THERE
WAS A MAGIC WILL IT -- THOSE
TYPES OF THINGS, YOU WISH THERE
WAS A MAGIC BULLET TO SOLVE
THOSE.
WHAT HE SAID WAS EACH MOMENT, HE
THINKS HE MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE,
BUT THE PATH WAS SO DIFFICULT.
I THINK THAT WAS THE CASE.
THE OTHER THING I THINK HE FEELS
BADLY ABOUT WAS HE WENT DOWN
THERE SAYING WE ARE NOT RED
STATES AND BLUE STATES, WE ARE
THE UNITED STATES.
I THINK ONE OF HIS BIG
DISAPPOINTMENT'S WAS THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY CHOSE, BEFORE
HIS SWEARING IN, TO SAY WE WILL
DO NOTHING TO ASSIST THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
EVEN IF IT IS FOR THE BEST OF
THE COUNTRY -- EVEN IF IT IS FOR
THE BEST FOR THE COUNTRY.
I THINK HE WISHES HE COULD'VE
CHANGED THAT ATTITUDE.
JIM: I ALSO THINK THERE IS ONE
ISSUE THAT PAINS HIM A LOT.
THAT IS THE INCREASING GUN
VIOLENCE THAT HAS OCCURRED
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
IN THE SPEECH HE GAVE AFTER THE
CONNECTICUT, AND HE WEPT, I
THINK HE PROBABLY WISHES THAT
TWO PARTIES COULD HAVE COME
TOGETHER ON THAT ISSUE, AND THEY
DID NOT.
I THINK IT PAINED HIM A LOT.
JOSH: IF YOU WERE TO IDENTIFY
THE NEXT LEADERS IN THE PARTY,
WHAT NAMES COME TO MIND?
NED: WE WILL WATCH THAT AS IT
EMERGES.
WE HAVE CORY BOOKER FROM NEW
JERSEY, WE HAVE ELIZABETH WARREN
IN MASSACHUSETTS, GOVERNORS IN
THE MIDWEST, OTHER PEOPLE.
MY GUESS IS SOME OF THE PEOPLE
WHO WILL BE LEADERS IN TWO OR
FOUR YEARS ARE PEOPLE WHOSE
NAMES ARE NOT ON ANYONE'S LIPS
NOW.
I THINK WE SEE PEOPLE WORKING
HARD WHERE THEY ARE TO TRY TO
GET IS DONE SO THEY CAN COME
FORWARD AND SAY THIS IS WHAT I
HAVE A CONQUEST AS OPPOSED TO
HEAR IS MY BUMPER STICKER --
WHAT THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED AS
OPPOSED TO "HERE IS MY BUMPER
STICKER."
JOSH: I KNOW YOU LIKE SENATOR
CORY BOOKER.
JIM: I THINK HE IS TAKEN A
LEADERSHIP ROLE IN SOME OF THE
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS.
I THINK CORY BOOKER IS SOMEONE
TO WATCH.
I THINK ELIZABETH WARREN IS
ANOTHER PERSON TO WATCH.
BUT I AGREE.
THERE WILL BE MORE THAT COME
ALONG, AND MY EXPECTATION IS IT
WILL NOT BE LONG BEFORE THEY
COME TO NEW HAMPSHIRE.
NED: DON'T FILL IN THE YARD SIGN
HOLDERS YET.
[LAUGHTER]
JOSH: I APPRECIATE YOU BEING
HERE.
IT HAS TO BE SOMEWHAT
SATISFYING, KNOWING THAT YOU
WORKED ON HIS CAMPAIGN AND HAD
TWO TERMS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
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