>> A MAN IN WASHINGTON STATE IS FACING SOME CHARGES AFTER
HE ALLEGEDLY POSED AS A WOMAN WHO WORKS IN THE
ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY AND ATTEMPTED TO RECRUIT WOMEN
TO POSE NUDE AND HAVE SEX WITH THEM.
HE HAS NO TIES TO THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY, HE JUST
WATCHED CASTING COUCH PORN AND DECIDED TO CARRY IT OUT HIMSELF.
THIS IS MATTHEW JOHN MICHAEL HICKEY.
SO HE WOULD LOOK FOR WOMEN BETWEEN THE AGES OF 17 AND 25.
HE WOULD SAY THEY WOULD MAKE $12,000-$3500 A DAY, THEY
JUST HAVE TO MEET WITH A CASTING AGENT AND YOU KNOW THE DRILL.
>> BUCKLE UP, I'M GOING TO GET MYSELF IN TROUBLE.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS AS EGREGIOUS AS OTHER STUFF
WE'VE COVERED.
>>YOU ARE INSANE.
>> THEY WERE WILLING TO TAKE NAKED PICTURES, BUT HE JUST
DIDN'T PUT THE NAKED PICTURES UP FOR EVERYONE TO SEE?
>>THAT IS NOT WHAT HE DID.
HE LIED AND SAID HE WAS A WOMAN WHO OWNS THIS ADULT
ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY AND IS RECRUITING WOMAN.
IT'S NOT A SHE, IT IS ACTUALLY A HE.
THE WOMEN WERE TOLD TO MEET WITH THE GUY, AND THEN HE HAS
SEX WITH THEM FOR THE AUDITION AND HE IS GOING TO USE
THOSE AUDITION TAPES AND NUDE PHOTOS TO GET THEM JOBS IN
THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY.
BUT IT'S NOT WHAT HE DID.
>> OKAY, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCONNECT THERE.
YOU GET TO BE MAD ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, HORRIFIED, I
DON'T KNOW.
YOU'RE JUST MAD YOU DIDN'T GET PAID FOR IT.
YOU SIGNED UP FOR YES I WANT TO HAVE SEX ON CAMERA.
YES, I AM WILLING TO HAVE SEX ON CAMERA WITH YOU.
YES, I DID IT.
OH, BUT YOU DIDN'T PUT IT OUT THERE AND GIVE ME THE MONEY.
LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, I SIGN UP TO DO SOME HARD WORK LIKE
SHOVELING A DRIVEWAY.
AND A GUY SAYS ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THIS, I GO DO IT,
THEN HE DOESN'T PAY ME.
YEAH, I AM UPSET HE DIDN'T PAY ME, BUT I SIGNED UP FOR IT.
I AM JUST MAD HE DIDN'T PAY ME.
>>YOU ARE EQUATING SHOVELING DIRT TO ONE OF THE MOST
INTIMATE THINGS PEOPLE CAN DO.
HERE IS THIS PERVY GUY WHO NOW HAS VIDEOS AND PICTURES OF
THESE UNWITTING WOMEN.
>> BUT THEY ARE NOT UNWITTING.
>>I THINK THEY ARE.
HE PRAYED ON THEM.
YES, HE SHOULD FACE CHARGES.
MAYBE HE WILL FACE SOME FRAUD CHARGES IN THE FUTURE.
THIS IS EXPLOITATION.
>> I UNDERSTAND, I AM NOT SAYING THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY
CONSEQUENCES.
HE IS LYING TO THOSE PEOPLE AND COMMITTING FRAUD, SO I AM
AGAINST IT.
BUT IT IS NOT AS EGREGIOUS AS SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF WE
HAVE COVERED BECAUSE THEY WERE HAPPY TO DO IT AS LONG AS
THEY RECEIVED COMPENSATION FOR IT.
WHEN THEY FOUND OUT THEY WOULD NOT RECEIVE COMPENSATION
THAT IS WHEN THEY WERE UPSET.
YOU ARE PERFECTLY WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS TO GET MAD.
IT IS KIND OF A STRANGE SITUATION.
>>I
THINK THEY FELT VIOLATED BECAUSE HE EXPLOITED THEM FOR SEX.
IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE WHEN A WOMAN OR MAN HAVE SEX, YOU
WANT TO DO IT ON YOUR TERMS.
IN ORDER TO CONSENT TO SEX THE TERMS HAVE TO BE LAID OUT THERE.
I'M SAYING BASED ON CONVERSATION.
IN THIS CASE IT WAS NOT REAL CONSENT BECAUSE THEY WERE
LIED TO.
>> THAT'S WHY I AM SAYING IT IS A LITTLE GRAY IN THIS CASE.
TWO GUYS LIE TO WOMEN TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM?
CERTAINLY PLENTY OF TIMES.
IS THAT ILLEGAL?
NO.
OH I HAVE A GREAT JOB OR THIS AND THAT, THEN IT TURNS OUT YOU
ARE NOT.
>>BUT THAT IS NOT PROMISING SOMETHING FOR THE SEX.
DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE LYING TO SOMEONE AND PROMISING
SOMETHING IN EXCHANGE FOR THE SEX THEN YOU FIND OUT IT
WAS FRAUDULENT.
IT'S DEFINITELY ñ
>>THAT IS WHY IT IS AN INTERESTING STORY.
YOU CERTAINLY CAN'T RAPE A PROSTITUTE JUST BECAUSE SHE
IS A PROSTITUTE.
NO, THAT IS RAPE.
IT IS A COMPLICATED AND TOUGH QUESTION WHEN IT INVOLVES
SOMETHING THIS INTIMATE AND PRIVATE.
INTERESTING QUESTION AT HAND THERE, CURIOUS TO SEE HOW
IT WILL GET RESOLVED.
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