EVENING. "THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" STARTS
RIGHT NOW. >> THANKS TO YOU AT HOME FOR
JOINING US THIS HOUR. WE ARE FOLLOWING SEVERAL
DIFFERENT STORIES THAT CONTINUE TO DEVELOP INTO THE LATE EVENING
TONIGHT. IN TERMS OF A TIME DIFFERENCE,
IT IS FIVE HOURS AHEAD OF AMERICAN EAST COAST DIFFERENCE
IN ENGLAND. SO IT'S AFTER 2:00 IN THE
MORNING NOW IN ENGLAND. THAT COUNTRY IS NOW NOT ONLY
DEALING WITH THE AFTERMATH OF THAT HORRIFIC BOMBING OF THAT
POP CONCERT IN MANCHESTER, ENGLAND, LAST NIGHT, WHICH
CLAIMED 22 LIVES. THEY ARE ALSO NOW OFFICIALLY
CALLING IT A CRITICAL ALERT LEVEL IN BRITAIN.
WE USED TO HAVE THAT COLOR-CODED ALERT SYSTEM AFTER 9/11.
WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT. WE HAVE THE NATIONAL TERRORISM
ADVISORY SYSTEM, WHICH SENDS OUT TARGETED ALERTS FOR SPECIFIC
INCIDENTS AND SPECIFIC PLACES. BUT IN BRITAIN, THEY'VE STILL
GOT A NATIONWIDE ALERT SYSTEM AND TONIGHT, THERESA MAY RAISED
THEIR NATIONWIDE ALERT LEVEL TO CRITICAL, WHICH IN THE PRIME
MINISTER WORDS MEANS, ANOTHER ATTACK MAY BE IMMINENT IN GREAT
BRITAIN. NOW, THIS CRITICAL ALERT LEVEL
MEANS THAT THEY ARE DEPLOYING TROOPS IN THE STREETS.
THEY ARE PUTTING THE BRITISH MILITARY IN THE STREET ALONGSIDE
BRITISH POLICE. THERE HAVE BEEN RAIDS TODAY IN
BRITAIN. THERE HAS BEEN AT LEAST ONE
ARREST REPORTEDLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH LAST NIGHT'S BOMBING.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONTROVERSY ABOUT U.S. OFFICIALS
AND U.S. NEWS SOURCES PUBLISHING THE NAME OF THE MAN BELIEVED TO
HAVE BEEN THE BOMBER, THE SUICIDE BOMBER.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE ON THAT STORY AND HAVE THE LATEST FROM
LONDON AND FROM MANCHESTER COMING UP IN A FEW MINUTES IN
THIS HOUR. >>> HERE AT HOME TODAY, NEW
DEVELOPMENTS IN THE SCANDAL PLAGUING OUR NEW PRESIDENTIAL
ADMINISTRATION, CONTINUED TO OVERSHADOW MORE CURRENT EVENTS,
CONTINUING TO OVERSHADOW THE FOOTAGE AND THE POOL REPORTS
FROM THE PRESIDENT'S FIRST OVERSEAS TRIP.
WE DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT TWO OF THE PRESIDENT'S VERY TOP
ADVISERS, HIS SENIOR STRATEGIST, STEVE BANNON, AND HIS CHIEF OF
STAFF, REINCE PRIEBUS, THEY APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN SENT HOME
EARLY FROM THE FOREIGN TRIP. WE KNOW EACH OF THEM MADE IT AS
FAR AS SAUDI ARABIA, WHICH WAS THE FIRST STOP ON THE TRIP.
AND THE WHITE HOUSE INSISTS THAT THE PLAN ALL ALONG WAS FOR THEM
TO JUST GO TO SAUDI ARABIA AND THEN FLY RIGHT BACK.
BUT HONESTLY, THERE'S NO CONTEMPORANEOUS RECORD OF ANY
SUCH PLAN FOR REINCE PRIEBUS AND STEVE BANNON.
AND ALTHOUGH WE DO NOT KNOW WHY THEY HAVE BEEN SENT HOME EARLY
WHILE THE REST OF THE ADMINISTRATION IS STILL ABROAD
WITH TRUMP, IT WOULD NOT BE STRANGE, GIVEN THE
CIRCUMSTANCES, IF THE ADMINISTRATION FELT FELT LIKE
NEEDED TO GET SOME OF THEIR TOP PEOPLE HOME RIGHT QUICK, EVEN IN
THE MIDDLE OF THAT TRIP, TO TRY TO KEEP A LID ON WHAT IS GOING
ON HERE. >> WE ISSUED TWO SUBPOENAS TO
THE TWO MICHAEL FLYNN BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE AWARE OF, FLYNN INTEL
LLC AND FLYNN INTEL INC, BOTH LOCATED IN VIRGINIA, WITH THIS
SPECIFIC LIST OF DOCUMENTS BECAUSE WHILE WE DISAGREE WITH
GENERAL FLYNN'S LAWYERS INTERPRETATION OF A TAKING A
FIFTH, IT'S EVEN MORE CLEAR THAT A BUSINESS DOES NOT HAVE THE
RIGHT TO TAKE A GIVE IF IF IT'S A CORPORATION.
ONE HAS BEEN SERVED. ONE IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING
SERVED. >> ONE HAS BEEN SERVED.
ONE IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING SERVED.
TODAY THAT WAS THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN
RICHARD BURR AND THE TOP DEMOCRATIC OF INTEL MARK WARNER
ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN.
THEY ARE ANNOUNCING A NEW ROUND OF SUBPOENAS THAT THEY SENT OUT
TODAY IN THE TRUMP RUSSIA INVESTIGATION.
THIS TARGETS MIKE FLYNN AND SPECIFICALLY HIS BUSINESSES.
NOW, WE KNOW THAT MIKE FLYNN IS CURRENTLY FIGHTING THE
COMMITTEE'S SUBPOENA TO TESTIFY AND TO HAPPENED OVER THE
DOCUMENTS. THE COMMITTEE IS HASHING IT OUT
WITH FLYNN'S LAWYERS IN TERMS OF WHAT HE'S ABLE TO TAKE THE FIFTH
ON. BUT MEANWHILE, AS OF LATE THIS
AFTERNOON, THEY ARE SENDING SUBPOENAS TO HIS BUSINESSES AND
BUSINESSES THAT SENATOR WARNER SAID THEY CAN'T TAKE THE FIFTH.
BUSINESSES ARE NOT PEOPLE, MY FRIEND.
AND IF YOU NEEDED ANY FURTHER ASSURANCE THAT THE TRUMP/RUSSIA
INVESTIGATION IS ALL ABOUT FOLLOWING THE MONEY, IT'S VERY
MUCH ABOUT BUSINESSES AND BUSINESS TIES AND BANKING
RECORDS AND FINANCES. ALSO CONSIDER THE LATE-BREAKING
NEWS TODAY REPORTED FIRST BY FOX BUSINESS AND NOW CONFIRMED BY
NBC NEWS THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS NOW CHOSEN HIS PRIVATE COUNSEL
WHO HE WILL USE TO TRY TO SAVE HIS PRESIDENCY, TO THE EXTENT
THAT HIS PRESIDENCY HAS TO BE SAVED BY LEGAL MANEUVERING.
IN 2005, A "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTER NAMED TIMOTHY O'BRIEN
WENT ON TO BE THE BUSINESS SECTION EDITOR AT "THE NEW YORK
TIMES." HE PUBLISHED THIS BOOK ABOUT
DONALD TRUMP. ONE OF THE THINGS HE CLAIMED IN
THIS BOOK, "TRUMP NATION," WAS THAT DONALD TRUMP WASN'T A
BILLIONAIRE. TIMOTHY O'BRIEN'S BOOK SAID THAT
TRUMP WASN'T WORTH EVEN $1 BILLION.
HE WAS CLOSER TO $250 MILLION IN TERMS OF HIS NET WORTH.
AND YOU KNOW, LIKE WHO WOULD BE MAD ABOUT THAT, RIGHT?
ONCE YOU'REOU'RE AT 250 MILLION I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE YOU'RE
SPECTACULARLY RICH AND WHO CARES IF YOU'RE THAT RICH OR EVEN
RICHER THAN THAT, RIGHT? WHO CARES?
BUT DONALD TRUMP REALLY CARED A LOT ABOUT THAT, CARED SO MUCH
THAT HE SUED TIMOTHY O'BRIEN FOR THAT BOOK, SPECIFICALLY FOR
SAYING IN THAT BOOK THAT DONALD TRUMP WASN'T A BILLIONAIRE.
AND YOU KNOW, IT WAS CLEVER. IN THE EVENT THAT TRUMP WASN'T A
BILLIONAIRE, HE CAME UP WITH A WAY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM WITH
THAT LAWSUIT BECAUSE HE SUED TIMOTHY O'BRIEN OVER THAT BOOK
FOR $5 BILLION IN DAMAGES, WHICH IS HILARIOUS.
AND WHAT RESULTED WAS A RIDICULOUS LAWSUIT.
THAT WAS BASICALLY A SUIT IN WHICH TRUMP TRIED TO PROVE HIS
NET WORTH, TRIED TO PROVE THAT HE WAS A MULTIBILLIONAIRE AND
THAT GAVE RISE TO THE FAMOUS DEFINITION WHERE TRUMP CLAIMED
THAT HIS NET WORTH ROSE AND FELL ACCORDING TO HIS FEELINGS ON ANY
GIVEN DAY. THAT'S HOW HE TRIED TO PROVE
THAT HE WAS A BILLIONAIRE. AND SO, NO, HE DIDN'T PROVE THAT
HE WAS A BILLIONAIRE.
HE BROUGHT THE LAWSUIT INSISTING THAT HE CAN PROVE IN COURT HOW
MUCH HE WAS WORTH. IN THAT LAWSUIT, IT TURNS OUT
THAT HE COULD NOT SHOW IN COURT THAT HIS NET WORTH WAS SOMEHOW
MAGICALLY LARGER THAN WHAT HE COULD PROVE.
HE DIDN'T WIN THE CASE. HE DIDN'T GET HIS $5 BILLION IN
DAMAGES FROM "THE NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTER.
THE TRUMP LAWSUIT ABOUT THAT BOOK WAS DISMISSED AND THEN
TRUMP APPEALED THAT COURT RULING AND THEN HIS APPEAL WAS
DISMISSED. BUT NOW, IT'S INTERESTING, THE
LAWYER WHO BROUGHT THAT CASE FOR TRUMP, THE MAN WHO MASTERMINDED
THE IDEA OF SUING A "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTER FOR $5 BILLION
TO PROVE TRUMP WAS A BILLIONAIRE AND THEN NOT BEING ABLE TO PROVE
TRUMP WAS A BILLIONAIRE ONCE THEY GOT IT INTO COURT SO
REPORTER WON THAT, THE LAWYER WHO MASTERMINDED THAT CASE IS
NOW THE LAWYER WHO OUR NEXT PRESIDENT HAS RETAINED TO BE HIS
COUNSEL ON, QUOTE, MATTERS RELATED TO THE RUSSIA
INVESTIGATION. SURE, WHY NOT HIM?
WELL, LAWYER MARK KASAWITZ PLAYED A ROLE IN THE LAWSUIT
AGAINST TRUMP UNIVERSITY IN WHICH HE HAD TO SETTLE.
HE WAS INVOLVED IN THE RESTRUCTURING OF THE MASSIVE AND
CONTROVERSIAL DEBT IN TRUMP'S ATLANTIC CASINOS.
HIS MOST RECENT HIGH-PROFILE GIG SINCE TRUMP HAS BEEN PRESIDENT,
THOUGH, HAS BEEN ON ANOTHER MATTER.
AND YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD ABOUT THIS.
YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD ABOUT THIS. A FEW WEEKS AGO, MAYBE A MONTH
OR TWO AGO, THE FIRST HIGH-PROFILE THING THAT TRUMP'S
LAWYER HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH SINCE TRUMP'S BEEN PRESIDENT IS
THAT HE WAS TAKEN ON AS THE COUNSEL TO REPRESENT A RUSSIAN
STATE-CONTROLLED BANK. OF COURSE HE WAS.
SPUR BANK, IF YOU -- SBERBANK IS THE LARGEST-RUN BANK IN RUSSIA.
THERE'S A MASSIVE CIVIL LAWSUIT AGAINST SBERBANK FOR DESTROYEST
GRANITE IN RUSSIA AND WHEN THE BIGGEST STATE-CONTROLLED BANK
NEEDED COUNSEL IN NEW YORK TO DEFEND THEM ON THAT THIS YEAR,
THEY PICKED A MAN OTHERWISE FAMOUS FOR BEING DONALD TRUMP'S
LAWYER, THE LAWYER WHO HE USES, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR SUING "THE NEW
YORK TIMES". IF REPORTS TONIGHT ARE ACCURATE,
THAT'S WHO WILL BE LEADING TRUMP'S LEGAL TEAM FOR THE
QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN CORROBORATED IN THAT
ATTACK IN ANY WAY. AND TO THAT POINT, THE MAN WHO
WAS THE DIRECTOR OF THE CIA, WHEN THE RUSSIAN ATTACK ON OUR
ELECTION WAS HAPPENING LAST YEAR, THE MAN WHO WAS THE
DIRECTOR OF THE CIA AT THE TIME ANY SUCH COOP OPERATION OR
COLLUSION WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF IT HAPPENED, TODAY HE TESTIFIED
AS TO WHAT HE SAW LAST YEAR AS CIA DIRECTOR.
HE TESTIFIED AS TO WHAT HE SAW, WHAT HE BELIEVED IT MIGHT HAVE
MEANT AND WHY HE BELIEVED IT WAS SERIOUS ENOUGH AT THE TIME THAT
HIS AGENCY TOOK WHAT IT HAD FOUND OUT THROUGH FOREIGN SPYING
AND THEY HANDED THAT TO THE FBI LAST SUMMER, WHICH IS WHAT
STARTED THE FBI'S COUNTERINTELLIGENCE
INVESTIGATION OF TRUMP AND RUSSIA LAST SUMMER.
>> I WAS CONVINCED IN THE SUMMER THAT THE RUSSIANS WERE TRYING TO
INTERFERE IN THE ELECTION, AND THEY WERE VERY AGGRESSIVE.
IT WAS A MULTIFACETED EFFORT. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
WERE ABLE TO EXPOSE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
>> BUT WAS THERE INTELLIGENCE THAT SAID THAT THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN WAS COLLUDED WITH MOSCOW DURING THEIR CAMPAIGN
THAT -- >> THE RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE
SERVICES WERE ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THIS EFFORT AND HAVING BEEN
INVOLVED IN MANY COUNTER INTELLIGENCE CASES IN THE PAST,
I KNOW WHAT THEY TRY TO DO. THEY TRY TO GET U.S. INDIVIDUALS
TO ACT ON THEIR BEHALF EITHER WITTINGLY OR UNWITTINGLY AND I
WAS WORRIED BY A NUMBER OF THE CONTACTS THAT THE RUSSIANS HAD
WITH U.S. PERSONS AND SO, THEREFORE, BY THE TIME I LEFT
THE OFFICE ON JANUARY 20th, I HAD UNRESOLVED QUESTIONS IN MY
MIND AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE RUSSIANS HAD BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN
GETTING U.S. PERSONS INVOLVED IN THE CAMPAIGN OR NOT, TO WORK ON
THEIR BEHALF, AGAIN, EITHER IN A WITTING OR UNWITTING FASHION.
AND SO THEREFORE I FELT THAT THE FBI INVESTIGATION WAS CERTAINLY
WELL-FOUNDED AND NEEDED TO LOOK INTO THOSE ISSUES.
BUT I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A SUFFICIENT BASIS OF INFORMATION
AND INTELLIGENCE THAT REQUIRED FURTHER INVESTIGATION BY THE
BUREAU TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT U.S. PERSONS WERE ACTIVELY
CONSPIREING, COLLUDING WITH RUSSIAN OFFICIALS.
>> DID YOU SEE EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION, COORDINATION,
CONSPIRACY BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND RUSSIAN STATE ACTORS?
>> I SAW INFORMATION AND INTELLIGENCE THAT WAS WORTHY OF
INVESTIGATION BY THE BUREAU TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT SUCH
COOPERATION OF COLLUSION WAS TAKING PLACE.
>> THAT DOESN'T HELP US A LOT. >> THAT DOESN'T HELP US A LOT?
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR HELP WITH?
BECAUSE IF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE CIA DIRECTOR
ASSESSMENT OF WHETHER THERE WAS A WELL-GROUNDED BASIS TO START
THE FBI'S COUNTERINTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION INTO THE SITTING
PRESIDENT AND HIS CAMPAIGN AND THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THEY
COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA, WHICH CONTINUES TO THIS DAY AND IS
UNPRECEDENTED IN AMERICAN HISTORY, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
LOOKING FOR, IT DEFINITELY HELPS A LOT WITH THAT.
BECAUSE HE APPARENTLY IS THE ONE.
CIA DIRECTOR JOHN BRENNAN IS THE ONE WHO IS BASICALLY SAYING THAT
THE INFORMATION THAT THE CIA WAS ABLE TO OBSERVE, WHAT HE WAS
ABLE TO SEE AS CIA DIRECTOR LAST YEAR WAS WORRYING ENOUGH THAT IT
WAS HANDED TO THE BUREAU AND THAT'S WHAT STARTED THAT
INVESTIGATION. I THINK THAT'S VERY HELPFUL TO
UNDERSTANDING WHAT HAPPENED. FORMER CIA DIRECTOR BRENNAN ALSO
HELPED EVERYONE UNDERSTAND TODAY, MAYBE FOR THE FIRST TIME
IN OPEN SESSION, HOW THIS KIND OF THING MIGHT HAVE WORKED, HOW
THE -- IF THIS WAS A RUSSIAN OP, IF OUR ELECTION WAS, IN PART, A
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE OPERATION, HOW MIGHT THE RUSSIANS
CONCEIVABLY HAVE PULLED THIS OFF?
IF THERE WAS ANY AMERICAN COOP
COOPERATION WITH WHAT THEY DID, HOW DID THE RUSSIANS DO THAT IF
THEY DID SUCCEED IN GETTING AMERICAN COLLUSION, IF THEY
SUCCEEDED IN GETTING THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN TO COLLUDE WITH THEM,
HOW MIGHT THAT HAVE WORKED EVEN IF THE TRUMP FOLKS DIDN'T START
OFF INTENDING TO DECIDE WITH ANOTHER COUNTRY AGAINST OUR OWN,
HOW COULD THE RUSSIANS HAVE DONE IT?
WATCH THIS. >> I HAVE STUDIED RUSSIAN
INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES OVER THE YEARS AND I HAVE SEEN IT
MANIFEST IN MANY DIFFERENT CASES AND HOW THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
GET PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE CIA, TO BECOME TREASONNESS AND
FREQUENTLY INDIVIDUALS WHO GO ALONG A TREASONOUS PATH DON'T
EVEN REALIZE IT UNTIL IT'S A BIT TOO LATE.
MY RADAR GOES UP EARLY WHEN I SEE CERTAIN THINGS, I KNOW WHAT
THE RUSSIANS ARE TRYING TO DO AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE
TARGETS OF THEIR EFFORTS ARE AS MINDFUL OF THE RUSSIAN
INTENTIONS AS THEY NEED TO BE. IT IS TRADITIONAL INTELLIGENCE
COLLECTION WHICH IS TO IDENTIFY INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU THINK ARE
EITHER VERY INFLUENTIAL OR RISING STARS AND YOU WILL TRY TO
DEVELOP A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND THE RUSSIANS FREQUENTLY WILL
DO THAT THROUGH CUTOUTS OR FALSE OPERATIONS.
THEY WON'T PRESENT THEMSELVES AS RUSSIANS OR MEMBERS OF THE
RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. AND THEN OVER TIME THEY WILL TRY
TO GET INDIVIDUALS TO DO THINGS ON THEIR BEHALF AND THAT'S WHY,
AGAIN, HAVING BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF COUNTERINTELLIGENCE CASES
OVER THE YEARS AND SEEING THIS PATTERN OVER AND OVER AGAIN, MY
RADAR GOES UP WHEN I SEE THAT THE RUSSIANS ARE ACTIVELY
INVOLVED IN A PARTICULAR INTELLIGENCE, OPERATION OR
CAMPAIGN AND THAT U.S. PERSONS ARE BEING CONTACTED BY RUSSIAN
OFFICIALS. >> SEE, IN SOME WAYS, ALL OF US
WHO ARE WATCHING THIS UNFOLD EVERY DAY, THIS REMARKABLE NEWS,
WE ARE ALL STUMPED BY THE TRUMP/RUSSIA STORY BECAUSE AS
AMERICANS WE ALL KNOW AMERICAN POLITICS.
WE KNOW THAT THE RANGE OF THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN IN AMERICAN
POLITICS,TICS, OR AT LEAST WE TT WE DID.
BUT THINGS LIKE THIS TRUMP/RUSSIA THING, THEY DON'T
HAPPEN IN AMERICAN POLITICS AND SO THEY ARE FOREIGN TO US AND
EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS UNEXPECTED.
BUT THINGS LIKE THIS DO HAPPEN IN RUSSIAN ESPIONAGE EFFORTS.
THIS IS FOREIGN TO US AS POLITICS.
THIS IS NOT FOREIGN TO JOHN BRENNAN AS A LIFELONG OBSERVER
AS RUSSIAN ESPIONAGE EFFORTS. ASK THE PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND
HOW THE RUSSIANS WORK. ASK HOW RUSSIAN FOREIGN
INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS -- HOW RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES AGAINST
FOREIGN ENEMIES, HOW THOSE THINGS WORK AND TO THEM IT SORT
OF MAKES SENSE WHEN THEY LOOK AT IT THROUGH RUSSIAN EYES.
SO HEARING ABOUT HOW THE RUSSIANS APPROACH AN OP LIKE
THIS, HOW THEY APPROACH AMERICANS, HOW THEY TRY TO
PERSUADE AMERICANS TO ULTIMATELY BETRAY OUR COUNTRY, THAT IS
HELPFUL FOR FIGURING OUT WHAT THE RUSSIANS MIGHT HAVE BEEN
HOPING FOR AND TRYING FOR HERE, EVEN THOUGH HE WOULD DON'T KNOW
IF THE TRUMP ASSOCIATES THEY CONTACTED WENT ALONG WITH IT.
AND THERE'S ONE LAST THING THAT CAME UP TODAY.
THIS IS THE LAST THING. AND THIS ISN'T EVEN AN UGLIER
PROSPECT. THAT WAS ALWAYS RAISED TODAY IN
THIS QUESTIONING WITH THE FORMER CIA DIRECTOR.
I WANT YOU TO WATCH HOW CIA DIRECTOR JOHN BRENNAN REACTS
HERE. SO THEY'VE BEEN TALKING AT THIS
HEARING OVER THE COURSE OF THE REMARKABLE TESTIMONY FROM
BRENNAN. AND IT ULTIMATELY GETS TO THE
POINT WHERE THEY ARE TALKING ALMOST PROTECTIVELY OR AT LEAST
EM PITHETICALLY HOW THEY MAY HAVE BEEN LED INTO IT WITHOUT
KNOWING. BUT THEN ERIC, ON THE COMMITTEE,
GETS TO A VERY UNCOMFORTABLE ALTERNATE POINT.
HE BASICALLY SAYS, YEAH, BUMBLING INTO OR ACCIDENTLY OR
INNOCENTLY HELPING THE RUSSIANS, THAT'S AN INTERESTING SCENARIO
HERE. BUT WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO GET
CAUGHT CONCEALING WHAT THEY WERE DOING WITH THE RUSSIANS?
ISN'T THAT A DIFFERENT BALL OF WAX?
WATCH BRENNAN'S RESPONSE HERE. >> DIRECTOR, THERE IS WHAT IS
REFERRED TO AS CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT EVIDENCE, WHEN SOMEBODY
LIES ABOUT A MATERIAL FACT. AND THAT FACT, THE FACT OF THEN
LYING CAN BE USED AGAINST THAT PERSON BECAUSE IT WOULD BE, IN
ESSENCE, AN EFFORT TO COVER UP WHAT HAPPENED.
MEANING IF YOU WERE TELLING THE TRUTH, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE
ANYTHING TO COVER UP. WITH RESPECTPECT TO SOME OF THE
CONTACTS YOU REFERRED TO BETWEEN RUSSIA AND TRUMP CAMPAIGN
OFFICIALS, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OF THOSE U.S. PERSONS WHO HAD
CONTACTS WITH RUSSIA EITHER MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS ABOUT
THOSE CONTACTS OR FAILING TO DISCLOSE THOSE CONTACTS?
>> I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PURSUE IN CLOSED
SESSION. >> NOT AN OPEN SESSION.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A CLASSIFIED SETTING.
SO THE RUSSIANS MAY BE REALLY GOOD IN DRAFTING AMERICANS INTO
THEIR SCHEMES AGAINST THE UNITED STATES.
BUT ONCE AMERICANS ARE INVOLVED IN THOSE SCHEMES AND THEY START
LYING ABOUT THAT FACT, CONCEALING THAT FACT, WELL, THEN
THAT CONCEALMENT, YOU KNOW, TAKES IT INTO A CLOSED SESSION.
SO REMARKABLE TESTIMONY FROM THE FORMER CIA DIRECTOR AND, YOU
KNOW, NEW SUBPOENAS HAVE JUST GONE OUT TONIGHT TO MIKE FLYNN'S
BUSINESSES IN VIRGINIA, BUSINESS ASSOCIATES OF MIKE FLYNNS HAVE
ALREADY RECEIVED PUP SUBPOENAS AND THE INQUIRY CENTERING ON
FLYNN OUT OF THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS A VETERAN ESPIONAGE
PROSECUTOR BROUGHT IN FOR THAT PURPOSE FROM THE NATIONAL
SECURITY DIVISION OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
THE INSPECTOR GENERAL IS INVESTIGATING CLAIMS FROM THE
PENTAGON THAT FLYNN CONCEALED PAYMENTS FROM THE ARMY.
THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE APPEAR TO SHOW THAT FLYNN
CONCEALED EVIDENCE OF HIS FOREIGN PAYMENTS LAST YEAR ON
HIS SECURITY CLEARANCE APPLICATION AS WELL.
I MEAN, JUST ON THAT MATTER, MIKE FLYNN HAS [ INAUDIBLE ] AND
THEY CONTINUE TO DENY KNOWLEDGE OF THOSE FOREIGN PAYMENTS TO
FLYNN, EVEN AFTER THEY WERE NOTIFIED ABOUT THAT EMPHATICALLY
AND OVER A PERIOD OF WEEKS AND MONTHS, MULTIPLE TIMES, TO THE
POINT WHERE THE MIKE PENCE-LED TRANSITION SENT A THANK YOU FOR
YOUR LETTER TO THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE WHEN THEY
PUT IN WRITING TO THE TRANSITION THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT MIKE
FLYNN'S FOREIGN PAYMENTS. SO EVEN IF YOU TAKE JUST THAT
SLICE OF IT, JUST ON THE ISSUE OF MIKE FLYNN, WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT CONCEALMENT BEING A COMPLICATING FACTOR HERE, THERE
WOULD SEEM TO BE A LOT OF REPORTED EVIDENCE OF HIM TRYING
TO CONCEAL THOSE FOREIGN TIES AND THE WHITE HOUSE TRYING TO
CONCEAL THEM FOR HIM. THE FINANCIAL TRAIL IS LIT UP
LIKE BROAD DAYLIGHT ON MIKE FLYNN.
MULTIPLE INVESTIGATIONS ARE NOW THUNDERING DOWN THAT PATH LIKE A
CONVOY OF SEMIS. BUT WE HAVE LEARNED TONIGHT THAT
THERE MAY BE A PROBLEM WITH THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF ALL OF THESE
TRUMP/RUSSIA INVESTIGATIONS AND
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