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So we understood the principles behind the
Social system of Varnashrama. Why Varnashrama? Now we shall see how part of it. This is,
the Practical aspect of the social system of Varnashrama.
You see, the whole aim was how to go back to home,
back to Godhead, not sense gratification, eat, drink, be merry, enjoy. That is not the
aim of human life. So everything was planned with that aim. Viñëur aradhyate.
varëäçramäcäravatä puruñeëa paraù pumän
viñëur äradhyate panthä nänyat tat-toña-käraëam
[Cc. Madhya 8.58] Varëäçrama, these brähmaëa, kñatriya,
vaiçya, everyone had to strictly follow the rules and regulation of the particular division.
A brähmaëa must act as a brähmaëa. A kñatriya must actas kshatriya...
The government should be very expert to know the aim of life—the common cause—and they
should train the people to work for the common cause.
"Because they are not trained up, they have
no common cause. The hand and leg work differently, but the common cause is to maintain the body.
Without Varnashrama, there will be Varna sankare. Varna sankare population.
The exact example of varëa-saìkara is the hippies at the present moment. All over the
world, not only in the Western countries but in India also. So the population, hippie population
means saìkara population. So increase of such population means narakäyaiva, naraka,
hellish, hellish condition of life in this life, also in the next life.
The population, the younger generation, is so polluted, so contaminated, that you cannot
safely walk in the street. Anywhere, the young boys they can encircle you and rob you. You
cannot say on. The police cannot help, the government cannot help. So these unwanted
children, without being trained up in the varëäçrama system, they become the cause
of hellish life in this life also after death.
And so this training is necessary. if you simply produce çüdras, working class,
then you cannot have any happiness. That is not possible. And nowadays democratic, if
you send some çüdras to act as kñatriyas, they cannot do it. You have got practical
experience. In Vietnam, what happened? The American soldiers, they were simply taking
intoxication, hunting after prostitutes and running from the enemy.
And when they were attacked, they were running away. Because they are çüdras. How they
can fight? They are not trained up as kñatriyas. Huh? Anyone who is unemployed, let him become
a soldier, but he cannot fight. That is not possible. Neither this class of men can have
good brain to give direction to the society. So there must be training.
In this age everyone is a çüdra. So it doesn't matter, everyone is born çüdra, but he should
be trained up. Just like in our practical life we see that everyone is not born a scientist
or engineer or lawyer. Everyone is born innocent, child, then he's trained up by the guardians.
Similarly, there should be a training how to become brähmaëa, how to become kñatriya,
how to become vaiçya.
Hmhm. And this division, division, How do we divide them? In different a a occupations
like. How its, how do we divide them by which varna a person is?
Oh that is by guna. That is one another important point.
Kåñëa says that kià karma akarmeti kavayo 'py atra mohitäù. Kavayaù, very learned
scholars, they are also become bewildered how to specify duty to a particular person.
That is not being done at the same time. Everyone is going to the school and colleges, passing
their examination, but because he is not trained up according to his tendency or according
to his quality, after education he is unemployed. Because he has not been trained up according
to the tendency, according to the qualification. That is the basic principle of karma. Kåñëa
has begun in this chapter, cätur-varëyaà mayä såñöaà guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù
[Bg. 4.13]. That is very essential, the varëäçrama-dharma.
Because we must have the aim of life.
And as I had told you earlier, brähmaëas are situated in the mode of goodness.
the kñatriyas are situated in the mode of passion. The the vaiçyas, are situated in
the mixed modes of passion and ignorance, and the çüdras, are situated in the ignorant
mode of material nature.
The tendency of a particular man toward work is determined by the modes of material nature
which he has acquired. Such symptoms of life, according to different
modes of material nature, are described in the Eighteenth Chapter of Bhagavad Gita.
So brähmaëa, kñatriya, vaiçya, çüdra. These divisions are there according to quality.
Guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù [Bg. 4.13]. By guëa. Guëa means quality. And karma means actual
operation of the guëa.
As Kåñëa says in the Bhagavad-gétä (4.13), cätur-varëyaà mayä såñöaà guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù:
"I have created the four social divisions according to quality and work."
In this material world we associate with a particular combination of the modes of nature,
and accordingly we mold our character and behavior, and by this criterion we fit into
a particular social category.All men fit into these four classes, each according to his
guëa, or nature.
By nature, one has got a particular type of work. So yajïaù karma-samudbhavaù
Guëa, karma. Karma there must be. Therefore the karma should be done, executed, according
to quality.
the varëäçrama-dharma, a system of dividing society into four social and four spiritual
orders according to people's natural quality. Divide the society according to quality and
train people in the principle that everything belongs to God and should be used in the service
of God.
See Joe, and when guna is determined, there is training according to that guna.
Hmhm. I see. Everyone is born innocent as I told you, child,
then he's trained up by the guardians. Similarly, there should be a training how to become brähmaëa,
how to become kñatriya, how to become vaiçya. Right.
Now there are two things- "Quality and Work". And both must be there. Only one is not enough.
Not only must one get trained to accquire the qualities of his particular class but
also he must be engaged in the duties prescribed for that class. So both are required.
Haha. Yes. This is another important point.
ButSimply if I know "This is the qualification
of brähmaëa," but there is no practical application, that will not do. One must pass
the engineering examination and work as engineer; then he's called an engineer.
Aaha.
One has passed the law examination and is practicing in the court, then he's lawyer.
Two things required. Similarly, all these varëa-vibhäga, divisions of varëas... Guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù.
Guëa means he must have the necessary quality, at the same time he must work with that quality.
Then he is... Cätur-varëyaà mayä såñöaà guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù [Bg. 4.13].
(Bg. 18.42) Not only must a brähmaëa be qualified, but he must also engage in actual
brahminical activities. Simply to be qualified is not enough; one must engage in a brähmaëa's
duties.
Just like if you have achieved the quality of a medical practitioner, then your work
shall be a medical practitioner. Similarly if one has achieved the quality of a brähmaëa
or Vaiñëava, then his activities should be like that. If I become Kåñëa conscious
and if I work as a butcher, that will not be. You have to work just like a Vaiñëava.
So guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù. You have to acquire the qualities and work like that.
Then it is perfect.
you should accept a brähmaëa, a kñatriya,
a vaiçya, a çüdra, by the quality and by the work both.
Just like you qualify yourself as a lawyer, but you do not practice. So who will call
you lawyer? Nobody will call. But if you are qualified and if you are practicing,People
will go to consult with you. But if you do not practice, simply you have passed legal
examination, nobody will come to you. So two things are required: the brahminical
qualities and work like a brähmaëa.
The four classes of men, according to quality, they should be engaged in different types
of occupation, guëa-karma. First of all, guëa. Guëa means quality. In the material
world also, practically we see, if we want to work in a certain type of occupation, first
of all it is examined whether I have got the quality. Suppose if I want to work as an engineer,
so I must possess the quality first of all, whether I can act as an engineer. Similarly,
if I want to work as a lawyer, then I must have the quality, qualification.
Similarly, different type of quality, different type of qualification, and then different
type of work. Guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù. So that requires guidance. And who is the guide?
The father is the guide, the king, the government is the guide, the elderly, guru is the guide.
There must be guide. Gurur na sa syät pitä na sa syäj janané na sä syät. In this
way.... Sva-jano na sa syät na mocayed yaù samupeta-måtyum.
Did you get it?
Yes Prabhuji, so basically different people are situated in different modes of material
nature. According to mode there is prescribed varna and they are trained to get the qualification
for that and after getting qualities they should work with those qualities according
to his prescribed duties of the varna. Right.
But Prabhuji, so who will see that everyone is engaged in his discharging of his occupational
duty? Good question.
It is the duty of the king, government. Hmhm.
So, it is the duty of the kñatriya to see that everyone is executing his proper professional
or occupational duty.
It should be a secular state. secular state? What is the meaning of a Secular
state? Secular state means
the state must be very vigilant whether everyone is doing his duty,
So these things should be observed. So similarly, kñatriyas' duty is also to
see whether brähmaëas are doing their duty. Brähmaëa, a brähmaëa's duty is to present
himself an ideal human being. Satyaà çamo damas titikñä. Jïänaà vijïänam
ästikyam. aa. but Who will see that the Kshatriyas are
doing their duty properly? Hmm.
So it is the duty of the brähmaëa to see that kñatriyas are doing nicely their duty.
Hmhm. Yes.
So similarly, kñatriya. Kñatriya's duty is, it is, kñätraà dvijatäà ca parasparärtham.(?)
The brähmaëas will examine whether the kñatriyas are doing their duty nicely.
Just like Paraçuräma, when he saw that all the kñatriyas have become rascals, he wanted
to kill them all. You know that. Hmhm.
Twenty-one times he killed. Some of the kñatriyas, they fled from India, and they came to this
side in European countries. Therefore, origin of the Europeans, they are kñatriyas. Turkey,
Greece, and other countries also. Kñatriya. everyone is employed in his duty;
and if everyone is not employed, it is the duty of the government to see. He must be
employed.
A brähmaëa is employed, a kñatriya is employed, a vaiçya is employed.
Otherwise, if they are unemployed, idle brain, then idle brain will be devil's workshop.
That is happening. Because everyone is not employed, they have discovered machine, and
the machine is working hundred men's work. So actually, a hundred men are unemployed.
So the machine has not improved the situation. It has improved the pocket of the capitalist.
But it has not improved the condition of the mass of people. No. They are unemployed. Therefore,
in the Western countries, because the machine and industry, therefore, now they are producing
from the university hippies. Unemployed. Thousands and thousands of young boys and girls.
Aa Prabhuji, sorry to interrupt. Just a bit different question.
Yes. Can we use machines?
We are not against machine. You can utilize
machine. But we should not allow others unemployed and use machine. This should be point. You
can use. Use machine, that's good, but not at the risk of keeping others unemployed.
This should be noted. First thing is that everyone should be employed. If you have got
many men, then why should you engage machine. These rascals, they do not know. They're taking
machine and keeping so many men unemployed. And the welfare department is paying them.
They do not know how to organize society. And therefore hippies are coming out. Crime,
criminals are coming out. The government is paying for becoming criminals and hippies
and prostitutes. And how you can be happy, a society full of prostitutes, hippies, and
criminals. That is not good.
They're taking machine and keeping so many men unemployed. So we should not allow others
unemployed and use machine. This should be point.
Haha.. I see. I got that point. Hmm.
So,
another duty of the kñatriya is that people are being educated spiritually. That is kñatriya's
duty. Or the king of a kingdom is looking over the citizens, that they are properly
being trained up.
Yes. So,
the government should see that everyone, as he is trained up, he is working according
to his quality and occupational duty.
aa Prabhuji, Why the government or the king should do this job?
Because Varnashrama is Krishnas order and as representative of government and as representative
of God the government or king must be responsible to see that its carried out properly.
The king must be representative of God. Therefore we offer so much honor to the King.
Our Vedic conception is cätur-varëyaà mayä såñöaà guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù [Bg.
4.13]. Brähmaëa, kñatriya, vaiçya, çüdra. God has createdThis catur-varëa.So,It is
the king's duty, government's duty, to see that a person claiming to be brähmaëa, whether
he's acting as a brähmaëa. Nowadays that... Such supervision is not there. Therefore a
man acting as çüdra, but he's claiming to be brähmaëa.
So it is the king's duty. Just like the king, it is the government's duty to see that nobody
cheats. If a person without any medical qualification, if he writes "Doctor, Medical practitioner,"
he should be punished. Similarly, if one is claiming to be brähmaëa, he must act as
brähmaëa. If one is claiming to be kñatriya, he must act as a kñatriya. Now, what are
the qualifications of brähmaëa, what are the qualifications of kñatriya, they are
there already in Bhagavad-gétä.
So this is government's duty, that you are claiming that everyone should be employed,
everyone should be engaged, in his own occupation. That is called svadharmeëa idanasya(?). Sva-dharma
means the brähmaëa, kñatriya, vaiçya, çüdra. By quality. Guëa-karma. By quality
and work. So it is the duty of the government to see that a çüdra is employed, is engaged
as a çüdra, a vaiçya is employed and engaged as... Just like vaiçya. Vaiçya, it is said
that kåñi-go-rakñya-väëijyaà vaiçya-karma svabhäva-jam [Bg. 18.44]. Now the vaiçyas,
they are in the share market speculating. Hm. There are no more vaiçyas. Exactly.
Industrialists. Industrialists means çüdras. So if they're çüdras, why they should claim
as... Vaiçyas.
This is government's duty. To see, "Why you are claiming vaiçya? If your industry is
to produce food grains, agriculture, give protection to the cows..." So in India ten
thousand cows are being killed, and the vaiçyas are big, big, big, big zamindars. You see.
That it is the kñatriya's duty to see that
one is passing as a brähmaëa, whether he's qualified. Why he should pass? Suppose he
says, "I'm medical man." He must be qualified. And if he says, "I am medical man," then he's
cheating. So you cannot call yourself a brähmaëa unless
you are qualified. But that is going on. And this cheating is being accepted. Therefore
this varë äçrama-dharma. One must first of all accept the principles
of varëas and äçramas. Then there is question of understanding God.
In order to rectify this world situation,
all people should be trained in Kåñëa consciousness and act in accordance with the varëäçrama
system. The state should also see that the people are engaged in satisfying the Supreme
Personality of Godhead. This is the primary duty of the state.
So in our society, this division should be there.
And everyone must be engaged and employed. The most intelligent class of men, they should
be engaged in preaching, reading books and instructing, taking care of Deity worship,
temple, and another class should be strong managers, that things are going on nicely.
Everyone is engaged, not that eating and sleeping. Everyone must be engaged, employed. So, so
if one is very much adapted for eating and sleeping, he should be engaged with plows.
You see. He must be activity. Otherwise, there must be dysentery, eating and sleeping. He
cannot digest. Yes. So in this way, our society should be managed.
Not that "Give me second initiation, a sacred thread." And after getting it, business finished:
"Now I'm liberated. Let me eat and sleep." This should be stopped.
So everywhere, in each center, this system should be introduced, and there must be practical
application of the varëäçrama. At the same time, this program of devotional service.
Then it will go on very nicely.
Prabhuji, Sometimes we see that some people don't have the appetite to work.
They do not feel inspired. That, that means mismanagement. Management
should be like Prabhuapdas'.wehad no desire to take to Kåñëa consciousness, but wehave
been taken to it by some, some way or other. That is management.
Jaya, Prabhupäda. Yes.
A child does not want to go to school, but it is the duty of the parent to send him to
the school by some way or other. So that is government's duty, that a man should be employed
according to his capacity. There should be no unemployment. That is very dangerous position
of the society. Now this unemployment question is very strong all over the world. They'll
plan that "This government is not good. That system is not good. He's not good." And he'll
do nothing. He'll personally do nothing. Just like the hippies, they criticize everyone,
but he'll not do anything. It is all... These descriptions are there in the Çrémad-Bhägavatam.
So there should be no mis-management.
So in our Movement, the leaders must decide
how every devotee and every resource is engaged properly.
That is leadership. That is leadership. The... Which man is fitted for which work.
The first thing is that we should see that everyone is engaged. How he should be engaged,
that requires leadership. But the first business is to engage everyone. Nobody should be without
engagement. Then it will be Idle brain is devil's workshop. And the devil
is käminé-käïcana, woman and money. This is devil. So if you remain idle, then you
shall think of devil. So we should see that everyone is engaged properly. Hare Kåñëa.
Everyone should be trained as Vaiñëava. At the same time, he should work in different
position for management.
So, There should be Employment for women also right?
Yes. The same... Employment, even for the woman, the carakä. You see? Gandhi also studied
this. There must be... Woman should be engaged for weaving. What is called?
Spinning. Spinning, yes. Everyone should be engaged.
That is management. So all GBC members must see that in every temple, everyone is engaged.
That is the meaning of leadership.
Prabhupada wassuggesting even to thethe governors that "Open varëäçrama college."
As we are training a medical practitioner and an engineer or any particular type of
line, similarly, there must be training school and college where a person or a boy may be
educated as a brähmaëa or as a kñatriya.
Varnashrama College! Hmhm. When? When should we do that?
The varëäçrama college has to be established immediately.
Where? Where should they put up? Everywhere, wherever we have got our center,
a varëäçrama college should be established to train four divisions: one class, brähmaëa;
one class, kñatriya; one class, vaiçya; and one class, çüdra.
That we are proposing. When we open a center we shall train anyone. It doesn't matter whether
he is born in a çüdra family or brähmaëa family. Just like they are born in a different
family other than brähmaëa but they are now brähmaëa because after being trained
up.
Hmhm. Aa Prabhuji, It ll be For whom? For whom will we train?
For the public in general? Eh? Yes. Anyone. Just like engineering college
is open for anyone. He must be ready to take up the training. Similarly, this varëäçrama
college, he must be ready, the student, must be ready to take up the training.
Age for training? What should that be?
Would it be for a particular age group? Yes, any education, from childhood. Yes. Education
means from childhood. Hare Kåñëa. Kaumära äcaret präjïo dharmän bhägavatän iha
[SB 7.6.1]. How would it differ from gurukula?
Gurukula is only for the small children. Preliminary, primary. And when the children are grown up,
they should be sent to the varëäçrama school or college for further developed training.
Prabhuji, Should our children who are at gurukula,
when they grow up, should they go to that varëäçrama college, or...?
Yes, yes. They should go.
Varëäçrama college means for grown-up students. College means for grown-up students.
Hmhm. Is there a minimum age for beginning such a college?
Yes. From five to ten years, gurukula. And after ten years, they should go to the varëäçrama
college.
Who will teach them? The... How... We are getting so many sannyäsés,
they should teach. Teaching should be done by the sannyäsés. Just like in missionary
school, the fathers teaches.
Sanyasies! Yes.
It is also Brahmins engagement.
They'll be teaching. They'll be all teachers. Oh, they'll be teachers.
Yes. Just like Droëäcärya. He was brähmaëa, but he was teaching military art to the Päëòavas.
General teacher class will be the brähmaëas. It doesn't matter what he's teaching. But
teaching, perfectly teaching, how to become a military man. Arjuna's fighting was due
to Droëäcärya. He learned it from Droëäcärya. He was a brähmaëa. But because he took the
position of a teacher, he thought very perfectly. A brähmaëa should be expert in every kind
of knowledge. If requires, he'll become teacher. This is brähmaëa.
So brähmaëa can teach how to fight? Yes. Brähmaëa means intelligent, brain.
So in intelligent brain one can learn anything and teach anything.
But a teacher must know everything because
he is a teacher. Know everything?So, for example, if I become
a teacher at varëäçrama, say, the first teacher at the varëäçrama college, then
I have to also become expert at how to fight, and everything else.. ? How to aa..
Not all of you, but some of you must be, must learn the art of fighting also.
we must train others or ourself also for material activities, everything, under these divisions.
And they could travel around and teach others how to do that as well.Right?
Yes. That's right. He is brähmaëa, but he's teaching how to take care of the cows and
ploughing. It's not that one teacher has to teach everything.
No, no. Oh, I see. So a brähmaëa teacher should
become expert in a particular subject and then teach that.
Yes. A um.. Prabhuji should the aa boys the students
they should live with us or..
Yes. Come to classes you won't get. Because nobody has got any taste for such thing. A
boarding school or boarding college would... Boarding school.
Yes.
is this school for women also, or just for men?
For men. Aa Prabhuji, What about Ashrams?
So in this varëäçrama college there would be two divisions, varëa and äçr...
First of all varëa. And äçrama, then, when the varëa is perfectly in order, then äçrama.
Äçrama is specially meant for spiritual advancement, and varëa is general division.
It must be there in the human society, or they're on the animals. If varëa is not there,
then this is a society of animal. And when the varëa is working perfectly, then we give
them äçrama.äçrama. That is later on.
Hmhm.. aaa aa First they should be taught a skill basically.
Yes. First of all, the whole society must be divided into four varëas. Otherwise, there
will be chaotic condition. That is what is the position now. What is he, what he has
to do, one does not know. And there are so many unemployment. But if you organize the
society into varëas, there will be no question of unemployment.
Prabhuji, aagenerally in thecolleges in the West, they charge some fee for going to the
college. What is our position? No, we don't charge any fee. There is no question
of money. Because the brähmaëas, they'll teach free. They require money because they
have to give fat salary to these rascals. But we haven't got to. And even we have to
feed them, we produce our own grain. So where is the question of taking money? So therefore
it is required, somebody must produce food. Then there is no necessity of money.
Hmhm. So we should encourage people, young people, young students to come to our college.
They'll automatically come if you are ideal. Because they are being forced to poverty.
So when there is a question of poverty, they'll come.
Room and board and training. Yes.
So they should be trained to rise early and so on. Right?
Yes. No, if you keep healthy, then you will naturally rise healthy, er rise early in the
morning. But if you... Because you have lost all, what is called? Stamina?
Yes. Yes. Therefore sleeping is my only business. Sleeping
means for the weak. And for the strong, perspiration. This is the sign. When a man sleeps too much,
he's weak in his health. And the strong man will perspire. These are very... Balera ghäma,
and the durbalera ghuma. Ghäma and ghuma. Ghuma means sleeping, and ghäma means perspiration.
So in our varëäçrama college the students that come to our college, they follow the
four principles... Four principles essential. Essential.
But only the çüdras or the kñatriyas... Just like kñatriyas, they have to learn how
to kill. So practically, they should go to the forest and kill some animal. And if he
likes, he can eat also. If he likes, he can eat also.
What he kills. Yes. But not from the slaughterhouse. Those
who are kñatriyas, they can, they're allowed sometimes to eat meat. It is understood Bhéma,
Bhéma also eating sometimes meat. Bhéma. Amongst the Päëòavas, only Bhéma. Not
others. So if the kñatriyas, they want to eat meat, they can be allowed on particular
occasions. But they must go to the forest and kill the animal. Not that for meat-eating
regular slaughterhouses should be maintained. This is all nonsense, degradation. If you
want to eat meat, you go to the forest. And the çüdras, they also sometimes eat meat.
Or the caëòälas. But never the cow.
No. Cow... The çüdras, they can take a goat and sacrifice before the deity, goddess Kälé,
and then eat. Nobody should be given unrestricted freedom to eat meat. Or wine. If one is adamant
to drink wine, then there is Caëòé-püjä, Durgä-püjä. That means restriction. That
means restriction. Under certain condition. Similarly, sex life—marriage. That is also
sex life, but under condition.
Four regulative principles compulsory.
we'd teach, for example, like Bhagavad-gétä
and Çrémad-Bhägavatam. Yes.
What about subjects like history? History, we simply read Mahäbhärata, history
of the great men, Päëòavas, how they were fighting for the good cause, how they were
reigning. That history. And other histories?
Not this rascal history. If you study that history millions of years, what is that history
and what you'll learn from that history? You learn history of the really great men, how
they worked, how they ruled. That is a... You study history of Mahäräja Yudhiñöhira.
Study the history of Mahäräja Parékñit. That is required. Not that simply chronological
record, all nonsense, and big, big books, and making research. Why should you waste
your time in that way?
Hm? History must be for great person. This is history.
Yes true. True Prabhuji.
So in this varëäçrama college, is it true that there will be no need, for example, for
teaching material history and mathematics No, there is no need.
Should there also be teaching in some particular skill or varëa?
Say, for example, someone was a, a kñatriya by inclination or a ?
No, inclination can be changed also. If one has got little ad... But we should take little
advantage of the inclination.
Hmhm. Should there be any material subject matters taught like in gurukula?
Yes. Just like material subject matter, kñatriya, or the brähmaëas, kñatriya, as they are
described in the Bhagavad-gétä, what are the symptoms of brähmaëa, what is the symptoms
of kñatriya. The kñatriyas should be taught how to fight also. There will be military
training. There will be training how to kill. Oh.
can you say something about the training for a brähmaëa.
Yes. They are satyaà çamaù damaù. He must be truthful, he must control the senses, control
the mind... çamo damaù,... He must be tolerant. He should not be agitated in trifle matters.
Satyaà çamo damaù çaucam. He must be always clean. Three times he must take bath at least.
All the clothing, all, everything is clean. This is brahminical training. And then he
must know all what is what, knowledge, and practical application, and firm faith in Kåñëa.
This is brähmaëa. Would the brähmaëas learn Sanskrit?
Eh? Not necessarily. Just like Prabhupada translatedall the books,
similarly, any book of knowledge can be translated into different languages. Not that one has
to learn Sanskrit. Why?
aa.. What is the aa Kshatriya Training Learn to kill. No nonviolence. Learn to kill.
you'll find, the kñatriya, a thief, a rogue, unwanted element in the society, kill him.
That's all. Finish. Kill him. Bäs. Finished. So other will see, "Oh, the ruler is very
strong." And others will... One killing will be lesson for many hundreds and thousands.
No mercy. "Kill him." That's all. That was the system. In Kashmir about hundred years
ago. If somebody has stolen, cut his hand. Bäs. He cannot steal any more. So one cutting
hand means finish. In that part of the world, no more stealing.
What about Vaishya Training? Yes. And vaiçyas should be trained how to
give protection to the cows, how to till the field and grow food. Practical.
Not business also?
Business, this rascal business, no. No?
Business means if you have got extra grains or extra foodstuff, you can sell where there
is necessity, there is want. That is business. We are not going to open mills and factories
and... No. We are not going to do that. That is çüdra business.
The real business is that you produce enough food grains, as much as possible, and you
eat and distribute. That's all. This is business. He does not require any so high technical
education. Anyone can till the ground and grow food. Is it difficult? This is the business.
The first thing is that everyone, man and animal, especially the cows, they must be
properly fed so become very stout and strong.
And Shudra Training? What kind of training is there for a çüdra?
Çüdra is general assistant.
Order-carrier. He has no intelligence. He doesn't require intelligence. "Do this." That's
all. What would he learn at the school, though?
Eh? What would his business be at the varëäçrama
college? Yes. That is also training, to become obedient.
Because people are not obedient. What are these hippies? They are not obedient. So obedience
also require training. If you have no intelligence, if you cannot do anything independently, just
be obedient to the other, higher three classes. That is çüdra. He must agree to abide by
the orders of brähmaëa, kñatriyas, vaiçya. That's all. So that nobody will be unemployed.
Everyone should be trained up to sleep six to eight hours and attend meeting, chant,
and ärati. And balance—he must work hard. Not that sleeping unlimitedly. There is no
limit.
What class does the arts and crafts come under? Eh? Çüdra.
They are çüdras. Little arts and crafts can be trained up to the çüdras. They, at
the present moment, they have given too much stress on the arts and crafts.
Therefore the whole people, population, is çüdra.
Those who are not able to preach or to do other things, they must go to the plough department,
agriculture. Those who cannot preach.
Yes. Those who are less educated, not very much expert in preaching, they must be acting
as kñatriya or vaiçya, or as çüdra.
The education must have standard. The first education is that they must be free
from all sinful activities. That is the first education. According to the Vedic instruction,
a man is supposed to be educated, even from material point of view, a man is supposed
to be educated when he sees every woman as mother.
That is the standard of education.
mätåvat para-däreñu para-dravyeñu loñöravat
ätmavat sarva-bhüteñu yaù paçyati sa paëòitaù
Paëòita means educated. So how one is educated? How it is tested? When a person takes all
women except his wife as mother, then he is educated. When one thinks others' property
as garbage in the street, then he is educated. And when one thinks that all living entities
are of the same level, ätmavat sarva-bhüteñu, then he is educated.
What do you propose to do with criminals in educational system? How will you reform them?
Criminals should be punished.
How seriously should they be punished? That you have to consult çästra. There is
direction. It is... Practically it is the same. Just like Manu-saàhitä, it says that
if one is a murderer then he should be killed. Life for life. He should be hanged. That is
the old system. The king used to kill a murderer. So that is almost the same punishment.
I see. Yes.
Similarly, there should be education how to make one man spiritual. So we are going to
give education how to become spiritually advanced. That is our purpose.
That is Gurukula education.
Yes, because spiritually everyone is free from material bondage. So materially we find
one is more intelligent, one is less intelligent, but spiritually everyone can be equally intelligent.
So what about the common man? If he accepts the Gurukula system he can also be spiritually
advanced? Oh, yes, anyone, anyone.
Aaa prabhuji, How do you teach a varëäçrama college? In varëäçrama college if somebody
comes in... They say, "I want to be kñatriya" or "I want to be vaiçya." Is it like that?
No, that will be tested by the teachers, what for he is fit. He will be test by the guru.
But Prabjuji, We can train anyone to become anything.
Anything. Just like there is a story, the Tarzan. Tarzan. And he was living in the society
of monkeys, and he learned how to jump from one tree to another.
Hmhm. In the Vedic age wouldn't everyone want to become a brähmaëa? Why train someone
as a çüdra prabhuji? Yes. Everyone can be.
And all the çüdras can be made brähmaëas. But where all the çüdras are coming? All
the çüdras are ready to become brähmaëas? How you can explain? We are inviting everyone
to become Kåñëa conscious.
So you aresaying that it is possible that you can mold anyone into anything.
Yes. Yes. Possible, yes. But if they dont accept, if they won't accept...
Yes, yes. That is karma.
We are ready but if they dont accept, that
is karma.
Hmhm. I see. Yes.
So you mean that we must try to make everyone to be Brahmins?
Yes. Brahmins. But not everybody will want to. But as I had told you, at least some Brahmins
must be there to guide the society.
So brahma-druha. The society must be brahminic. Vedic culture means to create every person
a brähmaëa, not to keep him çüdra.
It is not the question of money, but it is the question of culture.
Brahmanical culture. There must be education to become moral. Brahmanas are moral.
if there is not a class of brähmaëa, then how you can say that you become moralist?
If there is no example of moralist, how you can ask people, "Become moralist"?
And the, so far the brahminical culture, that must be there. Otherwise you cannot say that
you become moralist. Where is the example of moralist? A section of person must be there,
fully moralist. That ideal section is now lacking.
Ninety-five percent may remain non-brähmaëa. But this 5 percent, if they are strongly brahminical,
then others will follow. Ekaç candras tamo hanti na ca täräù-sahasraçaù. You have
got millions of stars. Nobody cares for them. But people are looking after "When the moon
will rise? When the moon will rise?" That one moon is sufficient than millions of stars.
So this is the suggestion. Brahmanas.
So the real truth is that ideal man of character there must be. Because at the present moment
there is no character, there is no moral education, therefore we have to adapt according to them,
no. The pukka moralist, he must be moralist. It doesn't matter that "People at the present
time, they do all immoral activities; therefore we have to adjust." No. Strictly one should
be moralist.
Brahmin - Anybody can be elevated to be a Brahmin. Like I said, Satyakäma Jabala story
Yes. It doesn't matter. But if he wants to be elevated, he should be given chance. That
is the verdict of all çästras.
Ah, Välméki. There were many. There were, are many. Närada. Närada was a son of a
maidservant, çüdra. He had no father. So däsé-putra. And he became Närada. So where
is the restriction? Similarly, in the Jabalopaniñad, Satyakäma Jabala, he was also a prostitute's
son. So immediately Gautama Muni accepted him as
brähmaëa: "You are telling the truth." Satya çamaù damaù. Because it is first qualification.
So such a high cultural life. Now we should take standard çästra and follow and establish
educational institution to train them.
So there must be this training college, institution, and proper training according to the çästra.
Aa Prabhuji, I understood that Brahmanas are necessary but Prabhuji again the same problem
that I had asked earlier. Where do we get Brahmanas if we don't have Varnashrama?
And how will Varnashrama come if there are no Brahmanas?
Yes,
Kåñëa did not say Bhagavad-gétä to the loafer class. Kåñëa said räjarñi. Arjuna
was räjarñi. Imaà räjarñayo viduù. without being räjarñi,
without being highly qualified, nobody can understand.
So, Therefore our Kåñëa consciousness movement
is trying to purify the people in general to the brähmaëa stage. Then they'll be...
you'll be able to understand. Otherwise, na çaucaà näpi cäcäraù [Bg. 16.7]. If he's
not clean, if he has..., he does not know how to behave, it is difficult. But Caitanya
Mahäprabhu is still more kind that "Never mind whatever you are. Chant Hare Kåñëa
and you become purified." This is Caitanya Mahäprabhu's movement. It doesn't matter
whether what you are. Chant Hare Kåñëa and you'll be purified. Then you'll understand
everything, what is God, what you are, what is your relation.
Prabhuji, Where did chanting come into picture
here? Well you you see, without being purified at
least to a Brahmical level, one cannot understand the science of Krishna.. But its very difficult
to bring about the purification of the society at the present age of kali yuga. Becoming
a brahmana is not easy. Why?
this instruction is stréñu duñöäsu: "When women become polluted, there is unwanted population."as
I told you. Varna sankara. In the name of freedom of woman, they are
being exploited. Everything is there: social, religious, political, cultural, educational.
We have to accept that course. Then everything will be all right. If you don't accept, then
you have to suffer problems. It is not meant for a particular class of men or particular
country, it is meant for the whole human society. Therefore, this purification of the society
at the present, fallen condition is very, very difficult to revive. Because people are
so fallen, it is almost impossible. Then what is the solution? How will Brahminical
culture be revived? Therefore Caitanya Mahäprabhu has recommended
that "You all together chant Hare Kåñëa, and everything will be done nicely."
harer näma harer näma harer nämaiva kevalam kalau nästy eva nästy eva nästy eva (gatir
anyathä) [Cc. Ädi 17.21]
In Kali-yuga it is very difficult to reform the whole human society to become perfect
by this process, Vedic process. It is not possible. Therefore Caitanya Mahäprabhu's,
that "You chant congregationally this Hare Kåñëa mantra. Never mind. Whatever impurities
have entered, it will be all cleansed." So everyone is chanting in ecstasy Hare Kåñëa.
You have seen? Yes. So this is the process which we are trying to introduce, not anything,
caste system or this system, no. Then everything will come automatically. Easiest process.
That is the ultimate goal. If you can learn how to love God, then you become perfect,
and all other things automatically come.
So the brahminical culture be revived again by this automatically by chanting and learning
to love God. Because of the increment in demoniac population,
people have lost brahminical culture. Nor is there a kñatriya government.
Because of the poisonous effects of Kali-yuga, the çästra (SB 12.2.13) says, dasyu-präyeñu
räjasu: the government will adopt the policies of dasyus, or plunderers. Thus there will
be no instructions from the brähmaëas, and even if there are brahminical instructions,
there will be no kñatriya rulers who can follow them. Aside from Satya-yuga, even formerly,
in the days when demons were flourishing, Hiraëyakaçipu planned to destroy the brahminical
culture and the kñatriya government and thus create chaos all over the world. Although
in Satya-yuga this plan was very difficult to execute, in Kali-yuga, which is full of
çüdras and demons, the brahminical culture is lost and can be revived only by the chanting
of the mahä-mantra. Therefore the Kåñëa consciousness movement, or the Hare Kåñëa
movement, has been inaugurated to revive brahminical culture very easily so that people may become
happy and peaceful in this life and prepare for elevation in the next. In this regard,
Çréla Madhväcärya quotes this verse from the Brahmäëòa Puräëa:
vipra-yajïädi-mülaà tu harir ity äsuraà matam
harir eva hi sarvasya mülaà samyaì mato nåpa
"O King, the demons think that Hari, Lord Viñëu, exists because of the brähmaëas
and yajïa, but factually Hari is the cause of everything including the brähmaëas and
yajïa." Therefore, through the popularizing of hari-kértana, or the saìkértana movement,
the brahminical culture and kñatriya government will automatically come back, and people will
be extremely happy.
Did you understand that?
Yes… so by the mercy of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, aa.. He has inaugurated this Sankirtan Movement.
And by chanting this Hare Krishna Maha Mantra, we can be purified to the stage of a Brahmana
and then we will be able to understand the science of Krishna and we ll learn to love
Krishna. And with that the brahminical culture will automatically come back.
Exactly. Since purification by vedic method is very slow, we reach the stage of Brahmana
by the method of Harinaam Sankirtan. The lift process as we discussed earlier.
Yes. Thus we get Brahmanas.
Yes. I understood it. That's why I had to tell you the philosophy
behind Varnashrama and Brahmins first. Yes Prabhuji, With the understanding of the
philosophy behind, I can make complete sense of it now.
Nice. I m glad. I m glad you understood it.
So, before we go further any questions?
aa.. Prabhuji, what is the distinction between a culture and an education?
Culture means human being.
Human being. Just like Cäëakya Paëòita says, mätåvat para-däreñu. This is culture
to see every woman as mother. This is not education. Education, the modern meaning of
education is rubbish, to learn ABCD. This is not education. Without culture, what is
the meaning of education? So culture is the background for all these
things. Yes. Education is required to help culture.
Not that you take degrees from the university and remain a dog. That is not education. Here
is education, as Cäëakya Paëòita says: mätåvat para-däreñu
para-dravyeñu loñöravat ätmävat sarva-bhüteñu
yaù paçyati sa paëòitaù Here is a description of paëòita: first
of all learn how to see other woman as your mother. There the culture begins. And what
they are doing?, from the very beginning of the school college life, they are learning
how to entice one girl. This is moderneducation. They are following the so-called advanced
countries. Advanced means Freud's philosophy.
Sex philosophy. This is their education. So how you can expect gentlemen? It is not possible.
From the very beginning there is no culture, animal culture. Just like dogs, as soon as
he finds another female dog, he wants to have sex. This is education.
Näyaà deho deha-bhäjäà nåloke kañöan kämän arhate viò-bhujäà ye [SB 5.5.1].
This is instruction. Where is culture? Culture is lost. So therefore there is no value of
education. And besides that, education means spiritual education. Brahma-vidyä. This education
how to make aeroplane or a nice bridge or a machine, this is called kalä-vidyä. This
is not vidyä.
What is kala vidya? Kalä means artistic. Suppose a carpenter,
he knows how to make a very nice, good furniture, does it mean that he is educated? He knows
the art, some artistic way, that's all; but he is not educated. But nowadays it is going
on that if you know some art, technology, then you are educated. This is not education.
Education means culture.
Culture means human life. Otherwise dog's life. There is.... Adambhitvam ahiàsä kñäntir
ärjavam. Everything is there. Everything is described. Amänitvam: first of all you
have to learn how to become humble. And here all the people, they are educated how to become
proud. What is education?
And this culture cannot be maintained unless one is God conscious. Haräv abhaktasya kuto
mahad-guëä [SB 5.18.12]. There cannot be any culture for a godless person. That is
not possible. And, yasyästi-bhaktir bhagavaty-akiïcanä. Just like this European and American boy is
offering obeisances to the guru, this is culture. Why he has learned this culture? Because he
has become Kåñëa conscious. Therefore yasyästi bhaktir bhagavaty akiïcanä, sarvair guëais
tatra samäsate suräù. If you make one devotee of Kåñëa, then all culture will automatically
come. One thing. Otherwise,Where is culture? Suppose you steal
by tricks, by, I mean to say, by legal tricks, does it mean it is culture? But that is going
on.
True. Very true.
Aaa Prabhuji, Sometimes a Brahmin can accept the occupation of a Kshatriya for certain
reason right? Formerly the brähmaëas (were) strictly following.
They would not accept... In the çästras it is said that the brähmaëa in bad time
may become a kñatriya. Just like Dronäcärya. He was brähmaëa, but he became a kñatriya
for certain reason, and acting like kñatriya, although he was respected as brähmaëa, but
he was acting as a kñatriya. So it is advised that brähmaëa may take the profession of
a kñatriya and up to the vaiçya. But if he takes the profession of a çüdra, then
he is fallen. Then he is fallen. So this cultural institution should now be introduced.
Prabhuji, aa if there is a dispute between two kshatriyas or two administrative class
people, leaders, so who is the higher authority to resolve it? Who resolves the conflicts
amongst leaders?
Just like in our ordinary lives, citizens, they disagree. They go to the court.
So these Brahmanas they are superior. Like said, in disputes, There is higher body if
there is religion, if there is philosophy, if there is learned section, brähmaëas,
Kåñëa conscious people. There is higher authority.
you have killed all these things, but the system is there. Therefore the brahminical
culture is above the kñatriya culture. Therefore this division must be there; brähmaëa, kñatriya,
vaiçya, çüdra. The administrators, the kings, they are kñatriyas, but above them
the brähmaëas are there. But because there is no brahminical class—they have all killed
them-therefore he says there is no authority. Therefore brahminas are necessary. Because
brahminical culture is necessary.
Aa Prabhuji, aa you were talking of some Devotees like you gave example of Bhima he was eating
meat. So this was a bit new for me. Are Vaishnavas allowed ..?
No, eagle... Our symbol is also Garuòa, big eagle. Yes. Big eagle, Garuòa. And you know
Garuòa is not vegetarian. You know that? Snakes. He eats snakes.
Yes. He is not vegetarian. So if one becomes a sincere devotee like Garuòa, you can allow
him to become non-vegetarian. If he cannot give it up.
Garuòa is from the jéva-tattva or he is an expansion?
No, he is jéva-tattva. Nitya-siddha. But again. Not everybody non-vegetarian if
he becomes a sincere Devotee like Garuda, then he can be allowed. Its not a rule.
No no I understand. Yes.
what would be the program that we would have for a man who works in the factory...
He is a çüdra. Would we retrain him as a farmer?
No, if he is prepared. If not, let him remain. But we can utilize that çüdra also.
He can remain in the factory. Yes. But he cannot do the work of a brähmaëa.
He cannot be trained as a preacher. But he can help. Just like my legs. The legs cannot
do the work of brain, but it can help me. I am walking. So leg is as important as the
brain. Similarly, çüdra is as important as the brähmaëa, provided he helps the movement,
Kåñëa conscious. That is wanted, not that artificially a çüdra should be working as
a brähmaëa, no. But everyone should be engaged in Kåñëa consciousness. That is required.
So what about a case where he is a shudra and he is a Vaishnava and ..
Then he is not a çüdra. One who is engaged in Kåñëa's service, he is neither brähmaëa
nor çüdra. He is devotee. He is brahma-bhüta [SB 4.30.20]. Brahma-bhüyäya kalpate [Bg.
14.26]. Apparently he looks like çüdra. Just like we have got so many men from different
quarters, but we do not belong to that quarter any more. Vaiñëave jäti-buddhiù. Therefore
anyone who takes, "Oh, here is an American Vaiñëava, here is an Indian Vaiñëava,"
that is näraké. He is Vaiñëava. That understanding required.
Any engagement, any engagement for Kåñëa, he is Vaiñëava. If If he is under the guidance
of his spiritual master and doing the business according to the direction, he is Vaiñëava.
He is above all these.
But because there is management, they should appear as brähmaëa, as çüdra, as kñatriya,
like that. A devotee, because he is working as a çüdra,
he is not a çüdra; neither he is a brähmaëa. He is already in the spiritual platform. But
for management we have to do that. One can do the çüdra's work nicely—let him be
engaged in that way. Why he should imitate?
Does a Devotee working as a Shudra get gets second initiation?
Everything he will get. He gets.
Yes. Second initiation means recognized: "Now he has become fully competent Vaiñëava."
Just like master is teaching the servant, "Now you give massage in this way, this way."
But that does not mean he has become servant.
Aa Prabhuji we can move ahead. Alright.
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