>>> LET ME SAY THAT WE NO LONGER JUST HAVE SMOKE.
WE HAVE A RAGING TEN-ALARM FIRE AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR, WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID IN FIRING JAMES
COMEY AND THEN SAYING HE DID IT TO RELIEVE PRESSURE ON HIMSELF
BECAUSE OF THE FBI INVESTIGATION IS THE CLASSIC CASE OF
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, A FEDERAL CRIME.
ANYBODY ELSE WHO DID SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE FACING A
FEDERAL INDICTMENT AND A CRIMINAL TRIAL.
>> HE SAID IT THERE. WELCOME BACK TO THE "THE 11th
HOUR." THAT WAS CONGRESSMAN TED LIU,
DEMOCRAT, OF CALIFORNIA, EARLIER TONIGHT ON THIS NETWORK.
WE HAVE TWO ATTORNEYS WITH US TONIGHT, NOT BY DESIGN, BUT I
JUST NOTICED THEIR GEORGETOWN LAW, BOTH OF THEM.
PAUL BUTLER, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR WHO FOCUSED ON PUBLIC
CORRUPTION. AND CARRY CORDERO.
IF YOU ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE A LAW SCHOOL STUDENT FROM
GEORGETOWN YOU GET TO HEAR FROM BOTH OF THESE PEOPLE AS A MATTER
OF COURSE. PAUL, I KNOW YOU AS A VERY
ORDERLY THINKER. WHEN YOU HEAR WHAT THE
CONGRESSMAN JUST SAID, WHEN YOU HEAR WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID IN
THE OVAL OFFICE, I KNOW THERE'S AN ORDER NOW TO BE FOLLOWED, AND
MR. MUELLER IS VERY ORDERLY AND HATES LEAKS.
SO DOES THIS ALL HAVE TO FALL INTO THE LINE OF MARCH, A KINDS
OF ORDERLY PROCESS? >>IN BRIAN, IT SURE DOES.
THIS WEEK'S DEVELOPMENTS ARE BRINGING US CLOSER TO A CRIMINAL
PROSECUTION THAN WE HAVE EVER BEEN.
WHEN WE HEARD THIS STUNNING DEVELOPMENT THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP
HAS THREATENED THE FBI DIRECTOR, THAT SOUNDS LIKE OBSTRUCTION OF
JUSTICE. IT SOUNDS LIKE INTENTIONALLY
TRYING TO IMPEDE AN OFFICIAL INVESTIGATION.
YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY, THERE'S SOMETHING MORE, SOMETHING THAT'S
MORE INCRIMINATING. SO, AGAIN, I JUST DON'T KNOW
WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GO FROM THIS.
WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO IMPEACHMENT.
>> CARRY, WHITE HOUSE STAFFERS HAVE JUST LEARNED THAT A PERSON
IN THEIR MIDST, PROBABLY ON THAT PLANE TONIGHT, IS A PERSON OF
INTEREST. HOW DOES THAT CHANGE THE
BEHAVIORAL DYNAMIC IN WHAT IS A VERY, VERY SMALL CIRCLE AROUND
THIS PRESIDENT OR REALLY ANY PRESIDENT?
AND WILL THAT PERSON DO YOU THINK BE PUBLICLY IDENTIFIED
SHORTLY? >> WELL, AGAIN, I THINK I HEARD
JEREMY SAY EARLIER ON THE PROGRAM THAT PERSON OF INTEREST
REALLY IS NOT A PHRASE THAT IS USED IN FBI INVESTIGATIONS OR
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT PROSECUTIONS. SO USUALLY THAT LANGUAGE WOULD
PERTAIN TO THE SUBJECT OF AN INVESTIGATION OR A TARGET.
SO IT'S VERY UNCLEAR. I THINK I KNOW THIS IS RECENT
REPORTING BUT IT'S VERY UNCLEARW WHERE THAT PHRASE PERSON OF
INTEREST IS IS COMING TO AND WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS FOR THE
INVESTIGATION. ON THE OBSTRUCTION POINT, THERE
REALLY IS -- THE OBSTRUCTION ANGLE IS REALLY A VERY
INTERESTING LEGAL ANGLE THAT'S DEVELOPED.
WITH THE REPORTING THAT'S COME OUT IN THE PAST 24 HOURS OR SO
REGARDING THINGS THAT THE PRESIDENT MAY HAVE SAID TO
DIRECTOR COMEY WHEN HE WAS STILL DIRECTOR REGARDING THE
INVESTIGATION, REGARDING THE FACT OF HIS ACTUAL FIRING -- AND
I BELIEVE EVEN IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PRESIDENT'S TWEETS ON MARCH
4th, WHICH THEN TRIGGERED A INCREASED SCRUTINY TOWARDS THE
UNDERLYING INVESTIGATIONS, WHAT WE ARE SEEING OVER THE PAST
SEVERAL MONTHS IS THAT THE ACTIONS THAT ARE TAKEN THROUGH
TWEETING AND OTHER PUBLIC STATEMENTS BY THE PRESIDENT ARE
HAVING THE EFFECT OF UNCOVERING THE UNDERLYING INVESTIGATION.
SO THAT PRESENTS A LOT OF CHALLENGES FOR THE INVESTIGATION
GOING FORWARD. >> PAUL, IS THERE A MECHANISM
FOR THE ORDERLY MAN, MR. MUELLER?
PRIOR TO THIS LONG INVESTIGATION COMING TO AN END, PRIOR TO HIS
FINAL REPORT, TO PULL SOMETHING OUT IF HE FOOLS IT'S URGENT AND
SAY WAIT A MINUTE, THIS IS A MATTER OF NATIONAL IMPORTANCE,
EVEN IF HE JUST SHARES IT WITH CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS OR THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT? IS THERE A MECHANISM FOR THAT?
>> YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE FOR HIM TO DO THAT.
FRANKLY, BRIAN, THAT'S NOT HIS STYLE.
I THINK HE IS GOING TO KEEP THINGS CLOSE TO THE VEST UNTIL
HE'S READY TO EITHER ISSUE A REPORT OR BRING CHARGES.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SAY I TAKE THIS SUBJECT OF INTEREST A
LITTLE BIT MORE SERIOUSLY THAN MY GOOD GEORGETOWN COLLEAGUE.
WHAT THIS MEANS IS THE FBI SERIOUSLY SUSPECTS THAT SOMEONE
WHO IS WORKING IN THE WHITE HOUSE, PRESUMABLY WITH THE
PRESIDENT EVERY DAY, IS A CRIMINAL.
WE KNOW THE INVESTIGATION RANGES FROM OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE TO
COLLUSION WITH RUSSIANS. SO WE COULD BE LOOKING AT
CHARGES FROM OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE TO TREASON.
SO WHAT ROBERT MUTUALER IS DOING NOW IS PUTTING TOGETHER AN ACE
TEAM OF SOME OF THE NATION'S BEST PROSECUTORS.
THEY ARE GOING THE READ EVERY E-MAIL, SUBPOENA EVERY DOCUMENT,
AND ISSUE HUNDREDS OF SUBPOENAS TO WITNESSES.
SO, AGAIN, I THINK WE ARE MOVING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO A
PROSECUTION. >> CARRY, THERE HAVE BEEN
REPORTS FROM INTIMATES THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN ASKING AROUND
ABOUT A PERSONAL LAWYER. SHOULD HE HAVE A LAWYER?
>> FROM EVERYTHING I HAVE READ PUBLICLY HE EMPLOYS MANY
LAWYERS. HE HAS THE ROLE OF THE WHITE
HOUSE COUNSEL -- >> HOW ABOUT A ONE TIME COUNSEL
HEARING. >> HE HAS THE WHITE HOUSE
COUNSEL THAT SHOULD BE LOOKING AT HIS ROLE INSTITUTIONALLY.
AND FROM WE'VE SEEN PERSONALLY DOESN'T SHY AWAY FROM HIRING
PERSONAL ATTORNEYS. I WOULD EXPECT HIM TO BE
CONSULTING WITH LEGAL COUNSEL WHICH SEEMS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT
HE HAS DONE THROUGHOUT THINKS CAREER.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S ROLE IS GOING
TO BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF
A COMPREHENSIVE HIGH LEVEL REPORT ON RUSSIAN INFLUENCE IN
THE ELECTIONS OVERALL. THERE REALLY IS A DIFFERENT ROLE
THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL IS GOING TO FILL WHICH IS GOING TO
BE A VERY SERIOUS INVESTIGATION AND LOOKING FOR POTENTIAL
PROSECUTION VERSUS THE POTENTIAL ROLE THAT THESE CONGRESSIONAL
INVESTIGATIONS REALLY SHOULD BE FILLING, WHICH SHOULD BE LOOKING
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