>>> QUOTE THE TWO TRADE THOUGHTS FROM MORNING TO NIGHT DORGD
AIDES. THOUGH SHE HAS NO GOVERNMENT OR
POLICY EXPERIENCE SHE PLANS TO REVIEW SOME EXECUTIVE ORDERS
BEFORE THEY ARE SIGNED. SOME EARLIER ORDERS HAVE SET SEF
A FIRESTORM. SHE CALLS CABINET OFFICIALS ON
ISSUES SHE IS INTERESTING IN RECENTLY ASKING THE UNITED
NATIONS AMBASSADOR NIKKI HALEY ABOUT GETTING HUMANITARIAN AID
INTO SYRIA. SHE SET UP A WEEKLY MEETING WITH
STEVE MNUCHIN, THE TREASURY SECRETARY.
SHE SAYS, I AM LEARNING EVERYDAY.
THINK ABOUT IT WITHIN THE WHITE HOUSE, HAVING YOUR BOSS'S
DAUGHTER SET A WEEKLY MEETING WITH YOU WHEN HE IS THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THERE IS
MUCH PRECEDENT FOR IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
THERE ARE NOT MANY IF ANY AMERICAN PEOPLE CABINET MEMBERS
CAN CALL TO GET ADVICE ON. WHAT'S THE PRECEDENT IN AMERICAN
HISTORY AND HOW DO YOU SAY NO TO THE PRESIDENT'S DAUGHTER?
ONE OF THE MANY BRAND NEW WORLDS WE HAVE STEPPED INTO FOR THIS
ADMINISTRATION. JOINING US NOW IS JODY CANTOR
WHO WROTE THIS JAW DROPPING PIECE FOR THE "NEW YORK TIMES"
GIVEN ACCESS TO THE FIRST DAUGHTER.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> WE HAVE INTERESTING REPORTING ABOUT THE WHITE HOUSE SENDING
THEIR MINDERS INTO THE AGENCY. THEY SENT SOMEBODY FROM THE
CAMPAIGN TO THE EPA AND STEF MNUCHIN'S OFFICE AND HOW THEY
WERE ANNOYED. THE GUY AT THE EPA PIPED UP TOO
MUCH AND STEVE MNUCHIN PUT HIS MINDER IN THE BASEMENT OF THE
TREASURY. IF A PERSON IN THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WANT TO BE WORKING WITH IVANKA TRUMP, DOES
NOT WANT HER MAKING DECISIONS IN HER AREA OF EXPERTISE, HOW IS
THAT HANDLE? SHE'S SUCH A DIFFERENT KIND OF
SENIOR ADVISOR? >> WHEN WE SAW HER LAST WEEK IN
THE WHITE HOUSE SHE'S OPEN ABOUT THE FACT SHE DOESN'T KNOW
GOVERNMENT, A NEWCOMER IN WASHINGTON AND DOESN'T HAVE
LEGISLATIVE EXPERIENCE, ET CETERA.
I THINK ON THE ONE HAND IT COULD BE VERY DISCONCERTING WITH
SOMEBODY WITH NO SUBJECT MATTER EXPERIENCE, 35 YEARS OLD IS
ASKING YOU VERY CONSEQUENTIAL QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR JOB.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK IT HONESTLY COULD BE HELPFUL
BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU WANT TO HAVE INFLUENCE WITH THE
PRESIDENT, GET THROUGH TO HIS DAUGHTER COULD BE VERY EFFECTIVE
FOR CABINET SECRETARIES. >> OR THE OPPOSITE.
RIGHT? IF YOU CAN'T GET ALONG WITH HIS
35-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER WHO HAS NO SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE, WHO
COMES TO THIS WITH AN INHERITED REAL ESTATE BUSINESS BACKGROUND
IN JEWELRY MARKETING AND ALL THIS STUFF, SHE DOESN'T LIKE
YOUR IDEA FOR THE FEDERAL RESERVE RESTRUCTURING OR
SOMETHING, THAT -- SHE'LL NEVER BE FIRED.
>> SHE WILL NEVER BE FIRED. ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS HERE IS
WHAT THE ACCOUNTABILITY LEVEL IS WITH BOTH IVANKA TRUMP AND JARED
KUSHNER. FOR MOST WHITE HOUSE STAFF IF
YOU DON'T DO A GOOD JOB HOWEVER YOU DEFINE IT THE PRESIDENT
LET'S YOU GO GENTLY OR HARSHLY. THE LIKELY THEY WILL EVER BE
TREATED THAT WAY SEEMS VERY VERY SMALL.
WHAT WE WERE REALLY STRUCK BY IN OUR VISITS WITH HER WERE THE
LACK OF PARAMETERS ON HER PORTFOLIO.
IT'S REALLY WIDE RANGING. SHE DID NOTNOT APPEAR TO SEE AN
LIMITS ON WHAT SUBJECT MATTER SHE WOULD DEAL WITH.
I THOUGHT PART OF THE HEADLINE OF OUR STORY WAS SHE WAS GOING
TO REVIEW EXECUTIVE ORDERS BEFORE THEY WEAR SIGNED.
>> TO SEE IF SHE THOUGHT THEY WERE A GOOD IDEA?
TO WHAT END? >> WELL, PART OF THIS IS A
REACTION TO BANNON, RIGHT? PART OF IT IS SORT OF LIKE HER
PRESENTING HERSELF AS THE ANTI-BANNON IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
SHE WAS PRETTY OPEN WITH US ABOUT THE IDEA THAT SHE IS THERE
TO BE A KIND OF NOT RATING FORCE.
SHE SAID EVEN IF I CAN'T KILL CERTAIN POLICIES, I CAN'T STOP
CERTAIN THINGS, I CAN SAND DOWN THE EDGES OF THESE POLICIES.
WE SAID, OKAY, PLEASE GIVE US EXAMPLES BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING
TO REPRESENT THAT IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" WE REALLY NEED TO
KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SHE SAID, OH, NO NO NO.
I CAN'T BECAUSE MY INFLUENCE IS CONTINGENT ON ME DOING IT
SILENTLY. IF I WENT OUT AND SPOKE OUT
AGAINST WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS DOING I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO
BE EFFECTIVE WITH MY FATHER. SO THE THING PEOPLE SAY IS KIND
OF UNIQUE IN THE IVANKA TRUMP-DONALD TRUMP RELATIONSHIP
IS THAT APPARENTLY SHE IS ABLE TO GIVE HIM CRITICISM.
THIS IS NOT A PRESIDENT WHO IS VERY OPEN TO CRITICISM AT ALL,
THAT PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING MOMENTS IN OUR
REPORTING IS MAGGIE AND I WERE ON THE PHONE WITH JARED KUSHNER
TALKING ABOUT THIS. WE ASKED HIM TO DESCRIBE THE
INTERACTIONS IN THE WEST WING BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND IVANKA
TRUMP. HE SAID THEY GO INTO THE OVAL
OFFICE TOGETHER AND TALK. THEY'RE ALONE TOGETHER.
HIS IMPLICATION AND OTHER AIDES SUPPORTED THIS BASICALLY NOBODY
REALLYREALLY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING THERE IN BETWEEN FATHER AND
DAUGHTER. >> IF SHE'S THE ONLY PERSON WHO
CAN CRITICIZE HER FATHER, SHE'S THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN DELIVER
A NO FOR SHARP CRITICISM TO HER DAD, THAT MAKES IT REALLY
IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW IF SHE'S GETTING GOOD INFORMATION, IF SHE
HAS TRUE BELIEFS ABOUT THE WORLD, IF SHE HAS CONFLICTS OF
INTEREST DRIVING HER TO ADVISE HER FATHER IN A WAY THAT AREN'T
IN THE COUNTRY'S BEST INTERESTS. WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT WHAT SHE
KNOWS ANOWS AND WHERE SHE COMES? >> SHE DESCRIBES HERSELF AS A
NOT PARTICULARLY IDEA LOLG CALL PERSON, PRO BUSINESS, SOCIALLY
LIBERAL MODERATE. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION AND
THE OTHER IMPORTANT QUESTION IS IS SHE REALLY ABLE TO CHALLENGE
HER FATHER. WITH THAT WE WENT TO BIOGRAPHY.
THERE ARE NO ANSWERS IN THE WHITE HOUSE, THIS IS ONLY HER
SECOND WEEK IN THE WEST WING. WE LOOKED AT HER LIFE IN THE
TRAJECTORY. THIS IS NOT A KID WHO HAS EVER
REALLY DISTANCED HERSELF FROM OR VISIBLY CHALLENGED HER FATHER.
PLENTY OF PEOPLE GROW UP WHEN THEY HAVE A MOMENT AND SAY TO
THEIR PARENTS, I'M NOT LIKE YOU IN SOME WAY, I WILL LIVE MY LIFE
DIFFERENTLY GOING ON MY OWN PATH.
IVANKA TRUMP DID NOT HAVE THAT. SHE NESTLED WITHIN THE TRUMP
FAMILY BRAND AND TRUMP FAMILY NAME, EVEN HER OWN COMPANY IS
INTERESTING IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS WELL.
IT WAS SORT OF ADJACENT TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION.
>> SHE USED THEIR PAYROLL AND INTERNAL RESOURCES.
SHE ESSENTIALLY SET HERSELF UP AS A PART OF THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION. IN WHAT IS SUPPOSEDLY AN
INDEPENDENT BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT.
I STRUGGLE WITH THIS BECAUSE I'M NOT A BIOGRAPHY DRIVEN POLITICAL
ANALYST. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN LOOK
INTO ANYBODY'S EYES OR LOOK INTO THEIR BIOGRAPHY OR PARENTS AND
DIVINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY OR NOT.
I TEND TO BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO JUDGE PEOPLE BY THEIR ACTIONS,
NOT WHO THEY ARE. WITH HER, SHE HAS NO OVERT
ACTIONS. WITH JARED KUSHNER HE HAS NO
OVERT ACTIONS OTHER THAN WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE BUSINESS
WORLD. WHAT IVANKA TRUMP HAS DONE IN
THE BUSINESS WORLD SHE'S THIS CHAMPION OF WOMEN'S RIGHTS, SHE
WASN'T MARKETING THESE THINGS AND THE ONLY THING SHE'S DONE IS
RUN A SUB SID AIR AYE OF HER DAD'S ORGANIZATION.
>> I WANT TO TELL YOU A STORY REPORTED BY MY COLLEAGUE, RACHEL
ABRAMS. LET'S LOOK BACK AT HER SUPPORT
FOR WOMEN'S ISSUES, SHE'S SAYING SHE WANTS GENDER HER THING IN
THE WHITE HOUSE, WILL FIGHT FOR FAMILY LEAVE AND CHILDCARE.
I WANT TO STIPULATE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WANT
PAID FAMILY LEAVE AND AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE BY ANY MEANS
NECESSARY. THEY DO NOT CARE WHO PASSES IT.
THE QUESTION IS DOES SHE BELIEVE IN IT AND CAN SHE EXECUTE IT?
DOES SHE HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE SKILLS TO MOVE ON SOMETHING LIKE
THIS. WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT HER
FIRST INTEREST IN GENDER ISSUES. WHAT IT WAS WHEN SHE LAUNCHED
HER OWN APPAREL BRAND AND OTHER BRANDS SHE WANTED TO BECOME MORE
RELATABLE TO REGULAR WOMEN SO SHE LAUNCHED THIS WOMEN WHO WORK
INITIATIVE. THE SANDBERG BOOK HAD JUST COME
OUT AND IDEAS VERY POPULAR. IT WAS REALLY A BRANDING
CAMPAIGN, A HASHTAG. BEHIND THE SCENES SHE OFFICIALLY
HAD NOT OFFERED MATERNITY LEAVE TO HER EMPLOYEES WHO WANTED IT,
LATER CAME WAKE UP PLAN. THIS HASHTAG DIDN'T INVOLVE ANY
POLICY, THERE WASN'T LIKE SOME GREAT PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITY.
>> AGENDA? >> YEAH.
EXACTLY. IT REALLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH
IMPROVING WOMEN'S LIVES IN A SUBSTANTIVE WAY, IT WAS ABOUT
THE IMAGE OF BEING A CONTEMPORARY WORKING WOMAN.
>> ALIGNING HERSELF WITH THAT AS AN IDEA PURPOSES.
LITERALLY FOR BRANDING PURPOSING.
>> IT'S JUST AN INCREDIBLY CURIOUS TRAJECTORY FROM FEMINISM
AS KIND OF MARKETING CAMPAIGN TO SUPPOSEDLY FEMINIST POLICY.
ONE REALLY STRIKING THING ABOUT HER WITH OUR ENCOUNTER WITH HER
IN THE WHITE HOUSE, SOME OF HER WORDS SOUNDED SO SURPRISINGLY
LIKE HILLARY CLINTON'S. A LOT OF THE CLASSIC CLINTONISMS
DON'T BELONG TO HILLARY ONLY. WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WANTING
TO EMPOWER WOMEN, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S VERY BROAD LANGUAGE.
BUT SOME OF THE THINGS SHE SAID ABOUT THE WAY WOMEN COULD POWER
THE ECONOMY AND HOW WOMEN HAD TO LIVE UP TO THEIR FULL ECONOMIC
POTENTIAL, IT WAS -- THE LANGUAGE WAS SO CLOSE THAT I
THINK THE SKEPTICAL QUESTION THERE IS SHE TRYING TO
APPROPRIATE RATE CLINTONISM, EVEN THOUGH OF COURSE HILLARY
CLINTON HAS BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR WOMEN HER ENTIRE LIFE?
AND ARE PEOPLE GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH THAT?
FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY UPSET THAT CLINTON LOST, IVANKA'S WORK
ON GENDER IN THE WHITE HOUSE GOING TO BE AT ALL A SATISFYING
SUBSTITUTE? >> PARTICULARLY AS CONTRACEPTION
COVERAGE IS GOING TO GET GUTTED TOMORROW BY THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER
THAT HER DAD IS ABOUT TO SIGN. IT'S A FASCINATING -- AGAIN,
BIOGRAPHICAL APPROACHES TO THIS KIND OF STUFF IS NOT USUALLY THE
WAY I APPROACH THESE THINGS. BUT WITH THE CHILDREN AS
PRESIDENTIAL ADVISERS, IT'S THE ONLY WAY IN.
JODI KANTOR, CO-AUTHOR OF THIS REMARKABLE
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