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JOSH: THIS SUNDAY ON "CLOSE UP,"
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE STATE
BUDGET.
WHAT GOVERNOR SUNUNU WANTED TO
WHAT YOU MIGHT GET.
PLUS, I GET WHEN PROPOSAL THAT
HAS BEEN TOUCHED AS WELL.
FROM RUSSIA MEDDLING TO HEALTH
CARE IN AMERICA TO TOUGHER
VOTING LAWS.
OUR ROUNDTABLE BREAKS DOWN THE
LANDSCAPE.
I'M JUST MCELVEEN.
-- JOSH MCELVEEN.
GOVERNOR SUNUNU GAVE AN ADDRESS
ON HOW THE STATE WILL SPEND ITS
DOLLARS.
WELL IT'S A LONG PROCESS, SAFE
TO SAY IT WAS NOT A CARBON COPY
OF THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSAL.
WHAT DOES HE THINK ABOUT IT?
GOVERNOR, GOOD TO SEE.
YOU.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF
DIFFERENCES AND YOU POINTED OUT
IMMEDIATELY THAT THIS IS A LONG
PROCESS AND NEGOTIATIONS, BUT
LET'S START WITH KINDERGARTEN.
THAT IS SOMETHING YOU TALKED
ABOUT AND IT WAS NOT THERE FROM
HOUSE FINANCE.
WAS A DISAPPOINTING?
GOV. SUNUNU: IT WAS
DISAPPOINTING, BUT IT'S NOT THE
END OF THE ROAD BY ANY MEANS.
WE TRIED TO GRADE A BUDGET
FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE THAT
FOCUSED ON THE PRIORITIES OF THE
STATE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIVISION OF
CHILDREN, YOUTH, AND FAMILIES IN
KINDERGARTEN COMING UP TO PAR
WITH THE REST OF THE
COUNTRY.
WE CREATED A PROGRAM THAT TAKES
THAT KINDERGARTEN PEACE AND
TARGETED TO AREAS OF LOW INCOME,
ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE,
AREAS WE KNOW WE NEED TO CLOSE
THE OPPORTUNITY GAP, SO KIDS
ENTERING THE FIRST GRADE ARE
REALLY ON THE SAME PAGE AND THEY
CAN REALLY PUSH FORWARD WITH
THEIR EDUCATIONAL CAREER.
THERE'S A LOT TO IT
.
THE SENATE DID PASS YESTERDAY A
STAND-ALONE BILL THAT FINANCED
FULLY FUNDED KINDERGARTEN.
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ALIKE
WERE ON BOARD AND THEY WILL SEND
THAT BILL STAND-ALONE BACK TO
THE HOUSE AND HOPEFULLY WE GET
THAT PASSED.
JOSH: IF IT IS REVIVED, IT WILL
GO TO THE SENATE, WHICH IS A
GOOD SIGN FOR ALL THEY CAN
GARDEN.
GOV. SUNUN IT WILL COME OUT OF
THE HOUSE HARDLY NEXT WEEK AND
THE SENATE WILL ADD AND SUBTRACT
AND DO THEIR THING AND WE WILL
GET A COMMITTEE OF CONFERENCE.
THAT IS WHERE WE WILL GET MORE
INVOLVED AND HASH IT OUT AND
FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST PLAN IS
FOR THE STATE OF NATURE.
JOSH: LET ME GET A COUPLE OF
THINGS THAT FLEW UNDER THE
RADAR, SPECIFICALLY LOTTERY
CHANGES THAT WOULD INCLUDE KENO
HERE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, WHICH IS
NOT LEGAL, AND MOBILE SERVICES,
AND APP FOR THE LOTTERY.
WHAT'S YOUR TAKE?
GOV. SUNUNU: I DON'T MIND KENO
. I'M NOT PASSIONATE ONE WAY OR
THE OTHER.
I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT BUYING
LOTTERY TICKETS ONLINE OVER THE
INTERNET.
I'M NOT SAYING NO, BUT I HAVE
CONCERNS.
WE WANT FOLKS GOING INTO
THOSE GROCERY STORES.
IT CAN HAVE AN IMPACT THERE.
IT COULD POTENTIALLY RAISE
BENEFITS.
THERE COULD BE INCIDENTAL
CONSEQUENCES THOMAS OF THE
LOTTERY COMMISSION DOES A GREAT
JOB IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
WHATEVER WE DO GOING FORWARD
KEEPS IT ROBUST AND STRONG.
JOSH: THE TOP ISSUE OF THE
STATE'S PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY
WITH THE OPIOID AND HEROIN
CRISIS.
IS THERE CONSENSUS THAT NO
MATTER HOW THESE DOLLARS ARE
APPLIED THAT EVERYBODY HAS THE
SAME SENSE OF URGENCY AND
RECOGNIZES THE NEED THAT THIS
EXISTS?
GOV. SUNUNU: I HOPE SO.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE TO
SOME OF THE MONEY IN THE ALCOHOL
FUND WAS RESTORED.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS.
IT'S A NUMBER ONE CRISIS ARE
STATE FACES.
I WAS THE FIRST GOVERNOR IN 17
YEARS TO ATTEND THE GOVERNOR'S
COMMISSION ON DRUG AND ALCOHOL
ABUSE IN THE STATE.
I WASN'T TRYING TO SET ANY
RECORDS.
IT IS THE GOVERNOR'S, BUT WE ARE
TAKING A HANDS-ON APPROACH.
WE HAVE SOME OF THE BEST AND
BRIGHTEST FOLKS AS PART OF THAT
GROUP.
I WANT TO LISTEN TO THEIR IDEAS.
WHEN YOU DO THAT AND GET INTO
THOSE DETAILS, THAT'S HOW YOU'RE
GOING TO GET THE BEST
RECOMMENDATIONS GOING FORWARD,
WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
RECOVERY OR PREVENTION OR
TREATMENT.
ALL THESE THINGS COME INTO PLAY.
WE HAVE SOME RESOURCES NOW.
WE NEED TO INCREASE THOSE
RESOURCES AND BE VERY HANDS-ON
ABOUT HOW WE GO ABOUT
IMPLEMENTING THEM IN GETTING THE
RESULTS WE NEED.
JOSH: LET ME ASK YOU MORE ABOUT
THE CALL FUN.
-- ALCOHOL FUND.
SOME SAID LET'S DO AWAY WITH
THIS THING AND IT'S NEVER FULLY
FUNDED AND LET'S JUST DO
DIRECTOR PERFORATIONS TO BE MORE
EFFECTIVE.
IS THERE MERIT TO THAT ARGUMENT?
GOV. SUNUNU: I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF
THAT PATHWAY TO BE HONEST.
I WANTED TO DOUBLE THE ALCOHOL
FUNDS.
IT ALLOWS THOSE APPROPRIATIONS
TO BE FOCUSED TO THAT SPECIFIC
ME.
WHEN YOU MAKE AN APPROPRIATION
STRAIGHT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND
THAT IS NOT SPECIFIC, IT IS VERY
EASY FOR THAT TO DISAPPEAR OR
GET SWEPT AWAY INTO ANOTHER
PROGRAM.
I LIKE THAT IT IS TARGETED THE
WAY THAT IT IS DESIGNED
NOW.
GIVEN THAT IT'S THE HIGHEST
HEALTH CARE CRISIS ARE STATE IS
FACING, IT'S SOMETHING WE TO
FOCUS ON.
JOSH: SENATE BILL THREE PASS THE
SENATE AS EXPECTED DOWN PARTY
LINES.
TOUGH IDENTIFICATION STANDARDS
ONE AGAINST THE POLLS.
GOV. SUNUNU: STRENGTHENS.
JOSH POTATO, POTATO.
MOST DEMOCRATS AREN'T AND
SENATOR SAID THIS IS ALL MIRAGE
CREATED MOSTLY BY DONALD TRUMP
WITH THE STATEMENT OF WIDESPREAD
VOTER FRAUD COMING OUT HERE.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS BILL
AND DO YOU FEEL LIKE SOME
REPUBLICANS DO THAT IT DOES NOT
GO FAR ENOUGH?
GOV. SUNUNU: THIS IS NOTHING TO
DO WITH DONALD TRUMP FIRST AND
FOREMOST.
THESE ALLEGATIONS OF VOTER FRAUD
-- I'VE NO EVIDENCE OF VOTER
FRAUD IN THE STATE.
SOME OF OUR VOTER LAWS COMPARED
TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY ARE
AMBIGUOUS.
I DON'T WANT TO SAY THEY ARE
BEING ABUSED BECAUSE THEY ARE SO
LOOSE.
THE DEFINITION OF WHAT IS
DOMICILE AND WHAT IS A RESIDENT
-- THEY ARE SO LOOSE.
IT IS A MATTER OF PUTTING
INTEGRITY INTO THE SYSTEM.
THIS IS A MEASURE THAT IS BEING
SUPPORTED BY SECRETARY OF STATE
BILL GARDNER, ONE OF THE FIRST
AND FOREMOST AUTHORITIES ON
VOTER LAW IN THE COUNTRY.
TO SAY THAT THIS IS SOME SORT OF
PARTISAN MEASURE, IT'S NOT.
IT'S ABOUT STRENGTHENING OUR
SYSTEM, A SYSTEM WE TAKE VERY
SERIOUSLY IN THE STATE OF NEW
HAMPSHIRE.
JOSH: YOU DID NOT WANT TO USE
THE ADJECTIVE OF ABUSE, BUT THE
SECRETARY OF STATE HAS, SAYING A
LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ABUSING IT AND
VIOLATING THE SPIRIT OF IT WITH
NO INTENTION TO LIVE HERE AND
MAY BE WORKING A COUPLE OF WEEKS
ON A CAMPAIGN AND VOTING.
SINCE 2012, THE SPONSOR OF THE
BILL SAYS THAT 2200 CHALLENGE
LETTERS GO OUT TO VERIFY
ADDRESSES RETURNED
UNDELIVERABLE.
WE LIVE IN A SMALL STATE COULD
ARGUE A
.
ARE YOU AT ALL CONCERNED THAT IF
IT'S NOT ADDRESSED THAT WE CAN
HAVE NATIONAL EMBARRASSMENT?
GOV. SUNUNU: WITHOUT A DOUBT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE
TRYING TO DEAL WITH HERE.
THERE'S CLEARLY A PROBLEM WITH
THE SYSTEM.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S FRAUD.
THAT IMPLIES SOMETHING ILLEGALS
HAPPENING.
THERE'S A LOT OF AMBIGUITY AND
GRAY AREAS.
JUST TIGHTEN THOSE GRAY AREAS UP
LIKE VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER STATE
IN THE COUNTRY HAS DONE.
WE ARE BEHIND THE TIMES YOU.
WE ARE THE FIRST IN THE NATION
PRIMARY.
WITH THAT COMES THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF A FULL
INTEGRITY PRIMARY.
JOSH: HOW DISAPPOINTED WERE YOU
AND REPUBLICANS TO NOT HAVE A
REPLACEMENT TO THE AFFORDABLE
CARE ACT?
GOV. SUNUNU: I WASN'T FULLY
AGAINST IT.
I WAS SIBLEY SAYING WE NEED TO
AMEND IT.
WE NEED TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY
AND FOR THE STATES.
WE NEED TO GET RID OF THESE
UNFUNDED MANDATES THAT ARE OUT
THERE, THE MANDATES THAT PEOPLE
HAVE TO BUY HEALTH CARE BUT
HEALTH CARE WITH A WHOLE LITANY
OF THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT REALLY
PERTAIN TO THEM.
WE ARE NOT GIVING THE PURCHASER
THE FREEDOM.
FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE FORCING
THEM TO PURCHASE SOMETHING THEY
MIGHT NOT WANT AND WE ARE NOT
GIVING FREEDOMS WITHIN THAT
SYSTEM.
THERE IS NO MORE FREE MARKET AND
THE INSURANCE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW.
THERE REALLY IS AN
ISN'T.
THE PREMIUMS HAVE SKYROCKETED.
WE WERE TOLD THEY WERE GO DOWN.
THEY HAVEN'T.
WE WERE TOLD HE WOULD BE ABLE TO
KEEP YOUR DOCTOR.
YOU ARE NECESSARILY ABLE TO DO
THAT EITHER.
AS PREMIUMS SKYROCKET, THAT'S
ALL BECAUSE THEY ARE
SKYROCKETING OVER THE POLITICAL
WINDS OF WASHINGTON, NOT THE
FREE MARKET DYNAMICS.
WE HAVE TO TURN INSURANCE
COMPANIES AND PROVIDERS TO A
FREE MARKET SYSTEM AND YOU DO
THAT BY ALLOWING STATES TO HAVE
LOTS ABILITY AND DESIGNING THAT
SYSTEM.
THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL DIDN'T DO
THAT.
IT DID NOT PASS AT ALL.
I'M STILL VERY HOPEFUL THAT THEY
WILL COME BACK TO THE TABLE
SOMETIME IN THE SHORT TERM,
MAYBE IN THE SUMMER OR LATER
THIS FALL, AND REALLY PUT
SOMETHING ON THE TABLE THAT
PROVIDES STATES THE FLEXIBILITY
TO GET THE JOB DONE.
JOSH: WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE THE
FUTURE OF MEDICAID EXPANSION OR?
?
WE HAVE 50,000 PEOPLE ON THE
ROLES HERE BECAUSE OF THE
AFFORD WILL CARE ACT.
-- THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
FROM WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, HOW
DO YOU GO FORWARD?
GOV. SUNUNU: MEDICAID EXPANSION
WILL BE TAKEN UP BY THE STATE
NEXT SPRING AS ORIGINALLY
INTENDED.
MY HOPE IS THAT WASHINGTON
FIGURES OUT WHAT KIND OF
PLATFORM AND FOUNDATION THAT
WILL PROVIDE SOMETIME THIS FALL.
IN DOING SO, WE CAN HAVE MORE
FLEXIBILITY WITH THE DOLLARS
COMING IN TO DESIGN A SYSTEM
THAT MEETS PEOPLE'S NEEDS.
PEOPLE AT UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW
THAT THE STATE DOES NOT PAY FOR
ANY OF EXPANDED MEDICAID.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PAYS 95%
AND 5% IS PICKED UP BY THE
PRIVATE SECTOR.
NO STATE DOLLARS GOING TO THAT
SYSTEM.
IF MEDICAID GETS COMPLETELY CHOP
DOWN TO 50% IN TERMS OF THE
FEDERAL SHARE, IT WILL BE A
TOUGH IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND.
THAT'S NOT JUST FOR NEW
HAMPSHIRE BUT VIRTUALLY EVERY
STATE IN THE COUNTRY.
THIS ONLY EXISTS BECAUSE THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT KICKS IN SUCH
A LARGE PROPORTION OF IT.
WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES
REALLY IS GOING TO HAVE AN
IMPACT ON HOW WE CAN GO FORWARD
IF AT ALL.
JOSH: THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE
COULD BE TALKING ABOUT.
WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES
LESS.
GOV. SUNUNU: NEXT TIME YOU HAVE
TO LET ME INTERVIEW YOU.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING.
SERIOUSLY THE STORIES YOU MUST
HAVE OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS IN
THIS BUSINESS.
FINALLY WE CAN TELL THEM AND WHO
BETTER TO TELL THEM THE
GOVERNOR?
[LAUGHTER]
JOSH: HE HAS GOT ME THERE.
WE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS AT
ANOTHER TIME.
FOR YOU, THE JOB OF GOVERNMENT
-- ARE YOU ENJOYING IT?
GOV. SUNUNU: I LOVE IT.
IT'S A LOT OF WORK.
THE ONE THING I WILL TAKE A LOT
OF CREDIT FOR IS THAT I BUILT A
GREAT TEAM.
WE SET A PRIORITY OF CHANGING
THE TONE OF POLITICS.
NATIONALLY WE KNOW HOW UGLY IT
IS.
IT IS BIPARTISAN, BLACK OR
WHITE, WITH US OR AGAINST US.
THAT IS NOT THE WAY WE SHOULD DO
IT IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.
WE HAVE GOT TO WORK ACROSS THE
LINES AND WE HAVE GOT TO SAY'S
POSITIVE.
WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH PERSONAL
RELATIONSHIPS AND MAKE SURE
THOSE ARE THE FOUNDATIONS OF
GETTING THINGS DONE AT THE LOCAL
AND STATE LEVEL SO WE DO NOT LET
PARTISAN POLITICS TO STAKE US
APART.
KINDERGARTEN IS A BIPARTISAN
MEASURE.
THERE'S A HUNDRED OTHER EXAMPLES
OUT THERE, BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T
MEAN WE WANT A STATE OF A STATE
OTHER ONE BEING INDEPENDENT
NECESSARILY, BUT IT'S OK TO GET
ALONG WITH FOLKS THAT MIGHT NOT
BE AGREEING WITH THE
POLITICALLY.
IT'S OK TO HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE
WITH SOMEONE AND SHARE SANDWICH
IF NECESSARY WITH FOLKS TO HAVE
THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
THAT IS THE NEW TONE WE ARE
SENDING HERE AND I'M HAVING A
GREAT TIME DOING IT.
JOSH: LESS THAN 30 SECONDS --
ARE YOU ANXIOUS TO TAKE OUT THE
BLACKROCK?
HAW
K?
GOV. SUNUN I LOVE TO GO FOR A
RIDE, BUT AS LONG AS I DON'T
NEED TO BE I IT, I'LL BE SAFE
IN I WOULD KEEP TWO FEET ON THE
GROUND.
JOSH: AS A RESIDENT OF THE
STATE, ROOTING FOR YOUR SUCCESS.
GOV. SUNUNU: GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR
NEXT VENTURE.
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