GENTLEMEN,ELCOME TO YOU BOTH. CLINT, LET ME BEGIN WITH YOU
YESTERDAY OFF THAT THAT TESTIMO THE HILL.
ELABORATE A LITTLE IF YOU WILL WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT USEFUL
IDIOTS. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE
RIPE FOR MANIPULATION AND INFLUENCE, PEOPLE THAT TAKE ON
PARTNERS OR TAKE ON POSITIONS OUT OF MOSTLY OPPORTUNISM.
BECAUSE OF THAT OPPORTUNISM A RUSSIAN STRATEGY CAN ACTUALLY
PLACE PEOPLE, AIDES, ADVISERS IN POLICY POSITIONS AROUND THOSE
INDIVIDUALS SUCH THAT THEY UNWITTINGLY START DOING RUSSIA'S
BUSINESS FOR THEM. THAT'S A VERY DANGEROUS THING IN
A POLITICAL CONTEXT. THOSE HOW YOU CAN SLOWLY
MANIPULATE FOREIGN POLICY IF YOU'RE RUSSIA INSIDE THE UNITED
STATES. YOU TAKE THESE PEOPLE, PROVIDE
THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND LET THEM BASICALLY
RUN WITH THE FOOTBALL INTO THE END ZONE.
>> CLINT, LET'S PULL THAT STRING A LITTLE MORE THERE.
UNWIT INNINGLY USE PEOPLE. HOW DO YOU UNWITTINGLY USE
SOMEONE? WHAT WOULD THE TACTICS BE?
>> YEAH, WIKILEAKS IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE.
YOU PUT OUT INFORMATION, SELECTED INFORMATION THAT
TARNISHES ONE PARTY OR POLITICAL GROUP VERSUS ANOTHER.
YOU DO THAT THROUGH HACKING. WHAT YOU DO THEN IS YOU LINE
THAT INFORMATION UP, YOU RELEASE IT AND YOU'RE THE FIRST TO
POUNCE ON IT. SO THE RUSSIANS KNOWING WHAT
SECRETS HAVE BEEN STOLEN ARE THE FIRST ONES THAT CAN PUBLISH NEWS
STORIES ON IT, THEY CAN LEAD OTHER MAINSTREAM MEDIA OUTLETS
AND EVEN POLITICAL CANDIDATES WITH INFORMATION NUKES THEY CAN
LAUNCH ON THEIR OPPONENTS. THEY USED THIS STRATEGY IN THE
COLD WAR ERA AND STILL USE TO DO.
>> AMBASSADOR HILL, LET ME ASK YOU AS THE FORMER AMBASSADOR TO
SOUTH KOREA ABOUT SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP IN
REGARDS TO SOUTH KOREA AND NORTH KOREA.
ALTHOUGH HE SAID HE OBVIOUSLY PREFERS DIPLOMACY, PREFERS
WORKING WITH THE CHINESE. HE ALSO SAID THERE'S ALWAYS THE
POTENTIAL FOR MAJOR, MAJOR CONFLICT.
WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF WORDS LIKE THAT COMING OUT OF
THE WHITE HOUSE? >> I THINK WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS
DOING IS SAYING HE'S MAKING THIS A TOP PRIORITY, NOT SURE WHERE
IT WILL GO. HE'S READY FOR ANYTHING.
THE MOST ASTOUNDING THING HE SAID IS SOMEHOW EXPRESSING
SYMPATHY OR MAYBE EMPATHY FOR KIM JONG UN, HE'S ONLY 27,
INHERITED THIS FROM HIS FATHER, IT'S TOUGH, ET CETERA.
I THINK WHAT HE'S DOING, HE'S ALL OVER THE MAP BUT WITH ONE
VERY CLEAR FOCUS, HE WANTS TO SEE IF HE CAN GET TO THE POINT
WHERE THEY CAN PERSUADE NORTH KOREA TO GIVE UP NUCLEAR
WEAPONS, A TALL ORDER. HE'S CERTAINLY FULL OF FLATTERY
FOR THE CHINESE TO TRY TO RECRUIT THEM AND MAKE SURE
THEY'RE WITH HIM. WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THIS PLAYS
OUT. >> HOW DO YOU THINK HE'S GOING
ABOUT THIS AS COMPARED TO PRESIDENT OBAMA OR PRESIDENT
BUSH OR THE MANY PRESIDENTS WHO TRY TO GETALITY THIS NORTH KOREA
PROBLEM THROUGH CHINA. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE APPROACH
OF THIS WHITE HOUSE? >> I THINK WITH RESPECT TO
CHINA, HE'S TRYING TO PUT EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE.
IT'S NOT JUST SOME CAREFUL DIPLOMATIC MINUET.
HE'S EVEN SAID I CAN'T GO AFTER THEM AS CURRENCY MANIPULATORS AS
LONG AS THEY'RE HELPING ON NORTH KOREA.
I THINK THERE'S AN ALL-IN AND VERY FOCUSED APPROACH WITH THE
CHINESE TO THE EFFECT THAT EVERYTHING ELSE IS IRRELEVANT.
WE'LL DEAL WITH NORTH KOREA. THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
OFTEN WHEN PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS WOULD GO TO THE
CHINESE, THEY'D HAVE A WHOLE CHRISTMAS TREE OF LISTS.
YOU NAME IT. UYGHUR RIGHTS, TIBET ISSUES, ALL
KINDS OF THINGS. HE SEEMS TO BE FOCUSED ON NORTH
KOREA.
FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD APPROACH.
WE HAVE TO SEE IF IT WILL YIELD RESULTS.
THE NORTH KOREANS HAVE SHOWN NO INTEREST IN LIVING UP TO THEIR
PREVIOUS OBLIGATIONS TO GIVE UP THEIR NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
>> AMBASSADOR, GOOD MORNING. HAROLD FORD.
BUILDING ON THOSE COMMENTS, HOW DOES THIS APPROACH REGARDING
NORTH KOREA AND CHINA, HOW DOES IT IMPACT THIS PRESIDENT AND
WHITE HOUSE'S ABILITY TO DEAL WITH TRADE ISSUES THAT HE RAISED
DURING THE CAMPAIGN AND RAISED SINCE BEING ELECTED?
TWO, YOU INDICATED YOU'RE PLEASED WITH SOME OF THE THINGS
THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. WHAT WOULD YOU BE ADVISING
DIFFERENTLY IF YOU WERE IN THE ADMINISTRATION TODAY?
>> IT'S NOT SO MUCH DIFFERENTLY, BUT WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST,
HOWEVER, IS TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABILITY THE SITUATION IN SOUTH
KOREA. IT'S A VERY VOLATILE COUNTRY
RIGHT NOW. THEY HAVE THEIR PRESIDENT HAVING
BEEN IMPEACHED AND SITTING IN A JAIL CELL AWAITING TRIAL.
THEY HAVE AN ELECTION COMING UP ON MAY 9th.
AND THAT ELECTION WILL BE INTERESTING WHEN ONE OF THE
LEADING CANDIDATES IS A KIND OF NOT -- I WOULDN'T SAY ANTI
AMERICAN, BUT CERTAINLY A LOT LESS SYMPATHETIC TO US THAN THE
PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. HE'S GOT TO BE VERY CAREFUL
ABOUT THAT. HE DOESN'T WANT TO CREATE A
SITUATION WHEN, IN THIS SORT OF EFFORT TO WORK WITH THE CHINESE,
THERE'S A PERCEPTION IN THE SOUTH KOREAN PUBLIC THAT HE'S
GOING OVER THE HEADS OF THE SOUTH KOREANS, DOESN'T REALLY
CARE WHAT THEY THINK, GOING RIGHT TO THE SITUATION WITH
CHINA. HE ALSO NEEDS TO KEEP TRACK OF
JAPAN. BUT I THINK IT'S BASICALLY THE
RIGHT APPROACH. LET'S SAY HE GETS THERE, WHICH
WOULD AGAIN BE AN EXTRAORDINARY DEVELOPMENT, I DON'T THINK IT
WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO PIVOT AND SAY, NOW WE'D LIKE TO TALK
ABOUT YOU BEING A CURRENCY MANIPULATOR.
WE WOULD BE IN A WHOLE NEW WORLD WITH CHINA.
>> CLINT, IT'S KATTY HERE. WE SAW THE HUGE LIVE FIRE DRILL
THAT THE NORTH KOREANS PUT ON, THE DIG DISPLAY OF ALL THEIR
TANKS ON THE BEACH EARLIER THIS WEEK.
HOW GOOD IS OUR INTELLIGENCE OF WHAT THEY HAVE, WHAT THEY DON'T
HAVE ON THE CONVENTIONAL SIDE, CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS SIDE?
ON THE INTELLIGENCE SIDE, IN TERMS OF THE SANCTIONS AND WHAT
THE CHINESE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE DOING TO ENFORCE THOSE
SANCTIONS, HOW QUICKLY WILL WE BE ABLE TO SEE THAT?
>> CLINT, GO AHEAD. >> I THINK IN TERMS OF
INTELLIGENCE, THAT'S WHAT I CAN TALK TO.
I THINK WE HAVE REALLY GOOD INTELLIGENCE IN TERMS OF THE
TECHNICAL COLLECTION PLATFORMS. WHERE WE'LL BE WEAK IN NORTH
KOREA IS HUMAN INTELLIGENCE. WE OFTEN DON'T UNDERSTAND OR
KNOW HOW THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT PROBLEMS AND WHAT THEIR
DECISION-MAKING PROCESSES ARE. >> I ALMOST HAD PEOPLE SAYING TO
ME ABOUT THE PHOTOS WE SAW OUT OF NORTH KOREA LAST WEEK, HOW DO
WE EVEN KNOW THIS IS REAL? ARE THESE TANKS ALL LINED UP,
ARE THEY ACTUALLY REAL TANKS? >> EXACTLY.
WE SEE THOSE PICTURES, WE SEE THOSE IMAGES, THEY'RE KNOWN TO
DO THE STRATEGY WHERE THEY BUILD UP LOCATIONS OR BUILD UP
MOCKUPS. IF THERE'S TECHNICAL SIGNATURES,
WHAT WE CALL MEASUREMENTS AND SIGNATURES INTELLIGENCE, WE DO
VERY WELL. THE KEY PART WE DON'T UNDERSTAND
AND WE'RE ALWAYS SHOCKED ABOUT IS WHEN THERE'S A CHANGE IN
FOREIGN POLICY POSITION BY KIM JONG UN, WHEN HE KILLS ONE OF
HIS OWN INNER CIRCLE OR WHEN HE AS SASS NAETS SOMEBODY OUTSIDE
OF THE COUNTRY. WE DON'T HAVE REAL GOOD INSIGHT
ON THAT HUMAN INTELLIGENCE, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S A VERY
CLOSED OFF COUNTRY. >> AMBASSADOR HILL, LET ME ASK
YOU ABOUT THAT ENFORCEMENT OF SANCTIONS.
HOW QUICKLY WOULD YOU EXPECT TO SEE SOMETHING ON THAT?
>> I THINK THE CHINESE ARE DOING MORE THAN THEY'VE DONE BEFORE.
WE HAVE TO SEE HOW THEY'RE DOING WITH TRYING TO CLOSE OFF THEIR
FINANCIAL SECTOR TO THE NORTH KOREANS.
THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO
SEE WHETHER IT HAPPENS. THE PROBLEM WITH SANCTIONS IS
IT'S A MUCH SLOWER TRAIN THAN THE NORTH KOREAN NUKIZATION
TRAIN. NORTH KOREA IS MOVING VERY FAST,
IT TESTS THIS NEW GENERATION OF MISSILES, TO HAVE A NUCLEAR
WARHEAD THAT CAN BE FITTED ON A MISSILE.
THEY'VE GOT A WAYS TO GO. THEY CLEARLY ARE WORKING VERY
HARD ON THAT, AND AS WITH OTHER COUNTRIES THAT HAVE GONE THIS
ROUTE, THE RESPONSE TO SANCTIONS IS, LOOK, WE'LL LET OUR PEOPLE
EAT GRASS IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES.
WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS.
I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH SANCTIONS, IT MAY BE A LITTLE
TOO LITTLE AND TOO LATE AND WHAT WE NEED IS MUCH MORE DIRECT
PRESSURE ON THE NORTH KOREAN REGIME TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS N
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