AMY GOODMAN: Here on Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, The War and Peace Report.
I'm Amy Goodman.
On Wednesday, just after former NAACP President Ben Jealous announced he's officially entering
the race for governor in Maryland, I sat down and interviewed him.
AMY GOODMAN: I want to ask you about the murder of Richard Collins III earlier this month.
Just a few days before his graduation, Collins, a black student, Army lieutenant, at Bowie
State University in Maryland, was visiting the nearby University of Maryland at College
Park when he was stabbed at a bus stop near campus by Sean Urbanski, a white student who
was a senior there.
Though investigators have not yet determined whether the killing was a hate crime, Urbanski
was a member of a now-deleted Facebook group called "Alt-Reich: Nation," which published
white supremacist content.
I wanted to ask you about this, something that the man you'll be running against,
Republican Governor Larry Hogan, who hopes to be the second Republican governor to win
a second term since the 1950s—he condemned this on his Facebook page.
I wanted to ask you about his response, how you would respond differently, especially
in light of—you were one of the leading voices in the country when it came to the
murder of Trayvon Martin by the white vigilante, George Zimmerman.
BENJAMIN JEALOUS: You know, I commend Governor Hogan for speaking up and speaking out.
He, quite frankly, was one of the few in our state who did.
There were many folks that day who oddly—leaders in our state—commented about Manchester
and didn't comment about College Park.
And I appreciate him for doing that.
I sat there amongst the students at Bowie State, students from Bowie State and from
College Park, from the surrounding community, all grieving.
They should have been at the highest moment of their lives, as they or their friends were
graduating from college, but the actions of this killer, this deranged, hate-infused killer,
had brought us all to the lowest of lows.
And I was inspired by them and their resilience and their hope and their love and their ability
to come together across all the lines of race and religion, that we're told in our society
again and again are so important, as if they don't matter a thing, just by their love
for each other and their determination to build a better future.
And I saw it again with Richard Collins' family when I sat a few aisles over from them
at their son's funeral—again, a family really grounded in love of God and country
and family, resiliently and defiantly saying that they were going to be like Dr. King and
choose love over hatred, because hatred was too much of a burden to bear.
Richard Collins was a beautiful young man who truly dedicated his life to serving others,
who was cut down on a college campus just a couple of days after he was commissioned
as a second lieutenant in our Army.
One of the most beautiful things that was said at his funeral was by an administrator
at Bowie State who said that he hoped that there would be a medal ribbon for a young
man who had waged a war against hate, because, you see, when this young man with this knife
approached Richard and told him to get out of the way, so clearly menacingly full of
hate, Richard said no, that he—and it was that refusing to allow himself or his friends
to be degraded and humiliated, because of their color or the color of their friends,
that ultimately cost him his life.
Our young men have too much to worry about to have to worry about this, too.
And we've had two white young men in Maryland in the last six months or so kill black men
apparently because of their race, once in New York City, once here in Maryland.
It's time for our leaders in the state to go even further.
We've got to really admit that when it comes to the issue of hatred and tension, ethnic
tension, there is nothing different about our state—you know, there's nothing here
that either exists or doesn't exist that's not in the rest of the country.
We have all of the problems.
We are a microcosm of this country.
But what makes us different, especially among states south of the Mason-Dixon, is that we've
shown our ability to come together courageously on issues of civil rights.
We had one year here, Amy, where we abolished the death penalty, passed marriage equality,
passed the DREAM Act and expanded voting rights, even as our neighbors were suppressing them.
And it's time for us to have a governor to really lead our state in doing that again.
And that's where I think, you know, Hogan could do more.
I was glad that he spoke out, but he is not showing real leadership to pull us together
to have the tough conversations, to really challenge people—many of them in his own
party—to evolve, to move on, to open their hearts, to follow the examples of George Wallace,
of Robert Byrd, of so many other people, once filled with hate, who learned how to love.
It's time for us in Maryland to really come together.
And, you know, Amy, it has great—it has great meaning to me.
In about week or so, we'll be celebrating—almost two weeks—we'll be celebrating the 50th
anniversary of Loving v. Virginia, you know, that case that made my own parents' marriage
legal here in Maryland and set us on the path to really having full marriage equality, as
we now have with some of the laws that we passed just a few years ago.
And that's an example of what it looks like when government leaders—in that case, judges—act
courageously to help us all come together.
And we need more of that right now.
AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about your parents and what that meant, that they lived in Maryland
and couldn't marry, because your father was white and your mother African-American?
BENJAMIN JEALOUS: Yes.
You know, my parents met in Baltimore as teachers at Harlem Park Junior High.
My mom had desegregated Western High School for girls here about a decade earlier.
My father was one of the few white men jailed in Baltimore for lunch counter sit-ins, lunch
counter desegregation sit-ins.
They were bonded as civil rights workers and as fellow teachers.
They fell in love.
And they were forced, actually, to drive 50 miles to get married inside of Washington,
D.C., because it was illegal for them to be married here.
And then they were required to move out of the state, because, literally, like the Lovings,
they would have to go to bed every night fearing that the sheriff or the police could come
storming into their house to lock them up just simply for being married across racial
lines.
My parents instilled in me a great sense of hope and belief in our country, and also the
strength and the courage—and also the strength and the courage to defy even the law when
it is unjust.
And in these times, when we have President Trump pushing families of our neighbors here
in Maryland deeper into the shadows so that they can be threatened and their families
torn apart by his bad policies, and our governor remains silent, now we're living through
times that call for each of us to decide whether we are going to collaborate with unjust laws
that needlessly humiliate families or we are going to stand up and resist and ultimately
come together as neighbors and move our state forward.
And that's why I'm throwing my hat in the ring and I'm running to be the next
governor of the great state of Maryland.
AMY GOODMAN: Ben, Our Revolution just tweeted, "Our inaugural board member Ben Jealous is
making a big announcement today from Baltimore."
You're on the board of Our Revolution.
You were an early supporter of Bernie Sanders.
Is Bernie Sanders going to be endorsing you?
And how does your agenda fit into the overall Sanders-Our Revolution agenda?
BENJAMIN JEALOUS: You know, Bernie and I bonded, as I chaired his campaign here in Maryland,
as I helped convince people across the country and across our state to vote for him.
We see the world very similarly.
He, like my father, was one of the few white men to go to jail with the Congress of Racial
Equality in desegregation sit-ins.
And he, you know, like so many activists of that generation, has been consistent his entire
life, always fighting for racial justice and economic justice.
His platform is very similar, quite frankly, in many ways to the platform of the NAACP:
the call for raising the minimum wage, the call for ensuring that we recognize healthcare
as a right, the call to protect our environment, the call to support organizing, etc., and
also to support our small businesses.
And so I will very much push forward the agenda that we discussed in that campaign—ending
mass incarceration, using the savings to pay for ending this era of massive college debt.
I'll also bring to it me, bring to it my life lived as a community organizer, as a
civil rights leader, my demonstrated success helping to push states forward beyond eras
of mass incarceration and past justice—and pass Justice Reinvestment Act, so the money
gets reinvested in education.
I'll bring to it my experience working with small businesses, when I was young—when
I was young, running a trade association of more than 200 small businesses, and today,
as an investor in startups for good, startups that grow through the marketplace and make
the world better for working people, by solving tough problems like cutting the cost of calling
home from prison by 80 percent.
And so, it's—you know, I come into this as a civil rights leader, as a progressive,
very active in Jesse Jackson's campaign and Barack Obama's campaign and the Bernie
Sanders campaign.
And I also come into this as a citizen of our great state of Maryland who is absolutely
committed to growing our economy from the bottom up.
AMY GOODMAN: So, how would you distinguish yourself from—there's what?
Seven or eight people who are going to be running.
Someone—the first person to announce was Alec Ross, a former adviser the Hillary Clinton—
BENJAMIN JEALOUS: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: —tech entrepreneur.
Is this going to be a kind of Hillary Clinton-Bernie Sanders replay?
But also, you've been traveling the state, as others have.
And in a straw poll, you came in third last week behind Congressman John Delaney, as well
as the Baltimore County executive, Kamenetz, in a straw poll held in western Maryland.
BENJAMIN JEALOUS: You know, look, I was grateful to the people of western Maryland for the
time.
And, you know, that straw poll is of folks who gather at a meeting in Congressman Delaney's
district and not far from—you know, sort of in the same media market as Kevin Kamenetz.
And it was an honor to me, as the outsider, as the underdog, to come in third amongst
eight.
We've got a real shot here.
I mean, you know, when I guy who's rooted in West Baltimore comes in third, when he
hasn't even announced his campaign, in a poll in western Maryland, something's happening.
And folks in the state see that.
Our Revolution stretches across the state.
The NAACP crosses the state.
And it's those two traditions of progressivism and civil rights that I come out of, and it's
what makes our state so great and our chances so good.
So, we're going to run a tough campaign.
We have a real shot.
You know, somebody today said to me that this moment after Bernie's campaign reminds them
of 1989, after Jesse Jackson's campaign, when we saw Wilder win, when we saw Dinkins
win, when we saw Harold Washington win.
And we know that out of sort of great presidential campaigns that don't quite make it all the
way can come transformative movements that allow breakthrough candidates to move their
states, to move their cities forward in ways that nobody thought was possible just moments
before.
AMY GOODMAN: Ben Jealous, will you be accepting corporate contributions?
BENJAMIN JEALOUS: Of course not.
Of course not.
AMY GOODMAN: Will you be pushing for universal healthcare or single payer, Medicare for all?
BENJAMIN JEALOUS: I was—I was very clear today that we will ensure that every citizen
in Maryland has access to quality, affordable healthcare, no matter what happens in Washington.
This is my, you know, first day on the campaign.
We are digging into exactly how we'll do that.
I'm inspired by the states like New York and California that believe they have found
a way to provide the equivalent of Medicare for all.
I've asked for the details.
I've asked for those plans.
We are—we are digging in.
But this campaign starts, day one, from the position that healthcare is a right, not a
privilege, and that if the federal government seeks to take it away, seeks to even tolerate
the status quo, where so many of our neighbors don't have access to it, that we will find
a way, that everybody in our state will have access to quality, affordable healthcare.
And so we're— AMY GOODMAN: Does this mean you'll keep
running as an activist?
BENJAMIN JEALOUS: I don't know any other way.
I don't know any other way.
You know, I've been a civil rights activist and a progressive my entire life.
I'm the child of civil rights activists, I'm the grandchild of civil rights activists,
and I'm the great-grandchild of abolitionists.
And so, the reality is that I will run as Ben Jealous.
I will run as that, you know, organizer rooted in West Baltimore, but networked across this
country, and somebody who can lead the state in a way that helps us build from right where
we are, build a regenerative, organic, growing economy, but also benefit from bringing in
some of the biggest companies in the country to our state, because right now, for instance,
in the Silicon Valley, our peers at companies like Facebook and Google are under pressure
to become more inclusive, and here in Maryland, almost 20 percent of the computer scientists
are black.
Here in Maryland, you know, we have already begun building a great tech sector that has
defined itself by being the place where the world's greatest minds come to solve some
of the world's greatest problems, like cancer and cybersecurity.
And we can absolutely succeed in building a forward-thinking 21st century economy that
has room for all of our communities and helps to lift all boats, even as we make it easier
for folks to grow their flower shop or their detail shop.
AMY GOODMAN: Former NAACP President Ben Jealous is now running for governor of Maryland.
I spoke with them just after he announced his candidacy Wednesday outside his cousin's
West Baltimore flower shop, which she opened after the 2015 uprising that followed the
death of Freddie Gray in Baltimore police custody.
That does it for the show.
On Friday, we'll have more on President Trump's decision on the Paris climate accord.
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