CREDIBILITY DAY BY DAY BY DAY BY DAY.
>> THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO START TODAY.
>> WE'RE STARTING WITH WHAT YOU SEE AS A SHIFT IN POLICY AND
TONE. >> HOLD ON.
IT'S NOT WHAT I SEE AS A SHIFT IN POLICY AND TONE.
IT'S WHAT DAVID IGNATIUS AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOTING
OVER THE PAST WEEK. THOMAS FRIEDMAN AND OTHERS HAVE
NOTED THERE HAS BEEN A SHIFT OF CHANGE IN TONE AT LEAST IN
FOREIGN POLICY. >> OKAY.
THERE ARE MANY THAT SEE A SHIFT IN POLICY AND TONE TOWARD OUR
POSITION TOWARD SYRIA. THE WHITE HOUSE IS ACCUSING
RUSSIA OF TRYING TO COVER UP THE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IN LAST
WEEK'S DEADLY CHEMICAL WEAPONS ATTACK.
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SAYS DECLASSIFIED INTELLIGENCE SHOWS
THE CHEMICAL AGENT SARIN WAS DELIVERED BY A SYRIAN REGIME
AIRCRAFT. MEANWHILE, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS
BOLSTERING THE U.S. ROLE IN ONE OF PUTIN'S MOST HATED ALLIANCES.
TODAY THE PRESIDENT IS SCHEDULED TO MEET WITH THE SECRETARY OF
GENERAL OF NATO AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
THEY'RE SET TO TALK ABOUT STRENGTHENING TIES AND PLAN TO
HOLD A JOINT NEWS CONFERENCE. YESTERDAY PRESIDENT TRUMP SIGNED
A TREATY ALLOWING THE ENTRY OF
MONTH NAG GROW INTO THE PACT WHICH WOULD EXPAND THE REACH IN
EASTERN EUROPE. PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL ALSO TRAVEL
TO BRUSSELS FOR A GATHERING OF NATO LEADERS IN LATE MAY.
>> THIS IS OBVIOUSLY, NICK, A BIG CHANGE IN WHAT'S BEEN SAID
ABOUT NATO. WE WERE WONDERING WOULD TRUMP'S
CAMPAIGN RHETORIC WIN THE DAY, WORE WOULD YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE
GENERAL MATTIS SAYING IF NATO DIDN'T EXIST, IT'S SO IMPORTANT,
WE'D HAVE TO CREATE IT. WHO WOULD WIN THERE?
IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S LOOKING TO HIS FOREIGN POLICY ADVISERS.
>> SEEM LIKE THE MASTERS OF POLICY ARE COMING INTO THEIR
OWN. THEY'VE HAD A COUPLE MONTHS TO
GET UP TO SPEED TO FIND THEIR WAY AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE, THIS
IS TILLERSON AND MATTIS. I DO THINK TILLERSON ALSO SAID
UKRAINE SHOULD BE A CONCERN TO TAXPAYERS.
THERE'S A LITTLE BUMPINESS AND INCONSISTENCY HERE.
IF YOU LISTEN TO NIKKI HALEY YOU HEAR ONE THING.
ANY GIVEN DAY IT'S CONFUSING ALL OVER THE PLACE.
>> NOT JUST RHETORICAL. DONALD TRUMP LAST WEEK ATTACKED
RUSSIA'S CLIENT STATE IN SYRIA. THAT WAS A LOUD STATEMENT,
LETTING RUSSIA CONTROL THE NARRATIVE AND SAY MAYBE THE
CHEMICAL WEAPONS WAS A SETUP OR THE U.S. BEHIND THEM WHICH
VLADIMIR PUTIN ALLUDED TO THAT THIS MORNING IN AN INTERVIEW.
IT'S NOT JUST RHETORIC. YOU HAD REX TILLERSON SAY RUSSIA
IS EITHER INCOMPETENT OR COMPLICIT IN THESE ATTACKS.
THAT'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE HEARD IN THE CAMPAIGN
TRAIL. BACKED UP LAST WEEK BY ACCIDENT.
>> WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN A SECOND WHERE TILLERSON WE HAD
THE GAFF, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA HE SAYS ASSAD IS GOING TO GO, ONLY A
MATTER OF TIME AND RUSSIA BETTER GET USED TO IT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, HOW RUSSIA'S FOREIGN POLICY SINCE
1991 HAS BEEN BUILT UPON RESENTMENT.
ALL THESE PEOPLE SAYING THIS ATTACK WAS AN INSIDE GAME, THE
RUSSIANS SAID, PLEASE COME ATTACK US, ARE FOOLS.
THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE WAY RUSSIA THINKS.
TO BE THERE AND BE SEEN BASICALLY AS COMPLETELY
IMPOTENT, WE KNOW WHEN YOU'RE IN SYRIA, WE DON'T LIKE WHAT JUST
HAPPENED, WE'RE GOING TO BLOW SOME STUFF UP.
IT SENDS A WHO HISK MESSAGE TO RUSSIA AND PUTIN.
>> CHRISTMAS, THE END OF THE BOL SHAH VIC REVOLUTION.
AN INCREDIBLY FEROCIOUS RIGHT FLANK THAT INCLUDED VLADIMIR
PUTIN THAT DIDN'T WANT TO SEE SOVIET GREATNESS GO AWAY.
THEY RETURNED IN ENSUING DECADES -- AN INTERESTING
COMBINATION OF A PRE WORLD WAR I GAME.
THEY WANT THE UKRAINE, THEY WANT THE BALL TICKS, THEY WANT EYE
REASON AND SYRIA. WITH THIS NUCLEAR OVERLAY OF
COLD WAR EXPANSIONISM AS WELL. IT'S AN INTERESTING COMBINATION
OF THE TWO. MY OWN VIEW OF ALL OF THIS RIGHT
NOW IS I SUSPECT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS THE POLITICAL EQUIVALENT OF
CLIMATE CHANGE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALWAYS BE
HOT, ALWAYS BE HOLD. IT'S GOING TO BE EXTREME SWINGS.
YOU SAW IT IN THE SPECIAL ELECTION IN KANSAS.
YOU SEE IT IN THE RUSSIA POLICY AND THE SYRIA POLICY.
HE THRIVES ON CHAOS. HE'S GOING TO GOVERN IN THE WAY
HE CAMPAIGNED WHICH WAS CHAOTICALLY.
>> FOR A COUNTRY, MIKA, THAT IS STEEPED AND HAS BUILT THEIR
FOREIGN POLICY BASED ON RESENTMENT, IT'S NOT BEYOND --
THEY CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THERE'S A REASON WHY THE UNITED
STATES DIDN'T GO INTO CHECK VAC YEAH AND WE DIDN'T GO INTO
HUNGARY -- WAS HUNGARY '68? BUT WE FIRE 50 OR SO MISSILES
INTO SYRIA IN 2017. MY ONLY POINT THIS IS, THIS IS
DEEPLY EMBARRASSING FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN.
YOU CAN PLAY ALL THE -- VLADIMIR PUTIN WOULD NEVER WANT TO BE
SITTING IN A COUNTRY WHERE THE UNITED STATES JUST RAN OVER HIM.
IT'S INTERESTING. >> LET'S BREAK THIS DOWN.
SECRETARY OF STATE REX TILLERSON IS WARNING IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS
ABOUT ITS TIES TO SYRIA SAYING THE ASSAD REGIME WAS, QUOTE,
COMING TO AN END. HE SAID RUSSIA IS AT RISK OF
LOSING ITS RELEVANCE IN THE MIDDLE EAST BY CONTINUING TO
SUPPORT THE DICTATORSHIP. STILL, THE NEW SECRETARY'S
INEXPERIENCE IS SHOWING A BIT. HE REPORTEDLY SAID TO A GROUP OF
TOP DIPLOMATS AT TUESDAY'S G7 MEETING IN ITALY SAY, QUOTE, WHY
SHOULD U.S. TAXPAYERS BE INTERESTED IN UKRAINE, QUESTION
MARK? THAT'S ACCORDING TO FRANCE'S
FOREIGN MINISTER. >> WILLIE?
>> THE STATE DEPARTMENT SAID IT WAS A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
HE WASN'T ASKING WHY THE HECK SHOULD WE BE SPENDING OUR MONEY?
IT WAS MEANT TO OPEN AN DISCUSSION.
>> WHY DID THE BIRDS GO ON SINGING?
>> EXACTLY. >> HERE IS DAVID IGNATIUS' PIECE
THAT HE THOUGHT KIND OF PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE HERE.
YOU SAY -- DAVID SAID -- >> I DIDN'T WRITE THIS.
I WOULD I COULD CLAIM DAVID'S COLUMNS.
>> YOU INSPIRE THE POST. >> TRUMP'S WEEK OF GOOD
DECISIONS COULD REBALANCE THE WORLD AND THE WHITE HOUSE.
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S FOREIGN POLICY HAS BEEN A
DIZZYING SPECTACLE OF MIXED MESSAGES AND POLICY REVERSELESS
DURING ITS FIRST THREE MONTHS. BUT IN LAST WEEK'S CRUCIAL
TESTS, PRESIDENT TRUMP MADE GOOD DECISIONS ABOUT SYRIA, RUSSIA
AND CHINA, MOVING HIS ERRATIC ADMINISTRATION A BIT CLOSER
TOWARD THE PILLARS OF TRADITIONAL U.S. POLICY.
THE SYRIA OPENINGS GENERALLY PRAISED AT HOME AND ABROAD HAS
CONSOLIDATED THE POWER OF TRUMP'S CORE FOREIGN POLICY TEAM
IN WAYS THAT MAY ALTER THE POLITICAL BALANCE IN THIS WHITE
HOUSE. TRUMP HAS ALSO TILTED TOWARD
CHINA AND AWAY FROM RUSSIA. THAT REBALANCING IS THE OPPOSITE
OF WHAT TRUMP SEEMED TO FAVOR DURING THE CAMPAIGN WHEN HE
BLASTED CHINA AND WOOED RUSSIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN AT
EVERY OPPORTUNITY. BUT IT'S A MORE SENSIBLE AND
SUSTAINABLE COURSE. >> NICK, I THINK THAT'S -- OF
ALL THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, ALL THE BRIGHT SHINY
OBJECTS IN FRONT OF US, I THINK THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY FROM THE
PAST WEEK AND I WOULD SAY FOR MOST OF THE FOREIGN POLICY
ESTABLISHMENT, IT HAS BEEN EXACTLY WHAT DAVID IGNATIUS SAID
AT THE END. IT'S NOT ABOUT SYRIA.
IT'S ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE NOW IS ACTUALLY FOCUSED ON CHINA IN
A CONSTRUCTIVE WAY. THEY HAD A VERY GOOD MEETING,
AND HE SEEMS TO BE TILTING A BIT MORE TOWARDS CHINA AND A BIT
MORE AGAINST RUSSIA. >> LOOK, THE IMPORTANT THING IS
THE PILLARS OF FOREIGN POLICY THAT DAVID MENTIONS IN THAT
COLUMN. ENGAGEMENT WITH CHINA, CARE WITH
RUSSIA AND TO FOLLOW THAT PATH TO GET MORE ON BASE WITH WHAT
HAPPENED, THE ALLIANCES THAT HAVE PROPELLED OUR STRENGTH AND
PROJECTION OF POWER AROUND THE WORLD IS ACTUALLY -- IT'S
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IF YOU CAN KEEP IT UP.
OUR ALLIES WERE WORRIED UP UNTIL NOW.
THEY WERE CONSTANTLY SENDING UP FLARES ABOUT ALLIANCES AND NATO
AND U.S. MILITARY FORCE. IT'S FASCINATING THAT YOU SAW
OBAMA ALUMNI PRAISING THOSE STRIKES IN SYRIA WHICH REALLY
SUGGESTS HOW MUCH THERE WAS A DESIRE FOR SOME KIND OF ACTION
THERE AND PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS THE LID ON IT FOR A LONG TIME,
FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE. >> I WAS SURPRISED BY JUST HOW
READY THEY ALL WERE TO JUMP IN, THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, WHICH
SUGGESTS THAT I'M SURE, PEOPLE LIKE SAMANTHA POWER WHO I DON'T
THINK SPOKE OUT ON THIS, BUT OBVIOUSLY SHE WAS DEEPLY
CONCERNED ABOUT HIS SYRIA POLICY.
BUT JOHN KERRY. I DIDN'T HEAR TOO MUCH FROM JOE
BIDEN. ALL HIS TOP PLAYERS TOLD HIM FOR
A LONG TIME, YOU CAN'T LET THIS GO ON IN SYRIA.
>> JOHN KERRY HAD A PLAN IN 2013 TO DO EXACTLY WHAT DONALD TRUMP
DID LAST WEEK, WHICH WAS TO ATTACK THE AIR FORCE ON THE
GROUND AND GROUND THE PLANES SO THEY COULDN'T CARRY OUT THOSE
CHEMICAL ATTACKS. THAT WAS OUT IN THE OPEN, IT WAS
PUBLIC, HE SAID IT. YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE THERE ARE A
LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE OBAMA STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE WHITE HOUSE
THAT WISH OBAMA DID WHAT TRUMP DID LAST WEEK.
>> TWO OPEN ACCOUNTS ON OBAMA'S FOREIGN POLICY LEGACY ARE SYRIA
AND THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL, I THINK.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE ARE GOING TO TURN OUT.
THAT'S WHAT EVEN IN 25 YEARS WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT
OBAMA DID AND DID NOT DO. >> LET'S GO TO NBC CHIEF GLOBAL
CORRESPONDENT BILL NEELY IN MOSCOW.
GIVEN THE TENSION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ESCALATED RHETORIC
FOLLOWING LAST WEEK'S AIR STRIKE AND THE IDEA THAT REX TILLERSON
WILL CONFRONT SERGEY LAVROV ABOUT THE RUSSIA INTERFERING IN
THE U.S. PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. HOW DID IT GET GOING?
>> IT BEGAN WITH A COUPLE OF LENGTHY OPENING STATEMENTS,
CERTAINLY FROM SERGEY LAVROV, ALMOST SOUNDED LIKE A DRESSING
DOWN AT ONE POINT AS REX TILLERSON LISTENED, LAVROV SAID
WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF AMBIGUOUS AND CONTRARY IDEAS FROM
WASHINGTON. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF TROUBLING
ACTIONS IN SYRIA, AND IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT THAT
THESE ACTIONS DON'T HAPPEN AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.
HE ALSO SAID IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE REAL
INTERESTS OF THE UNITED STATES. I THINK LAVROV SIGNALING THERE
THAT THEY WANT CLARITY FROM AMERICA.
IS IT ASSAD MUST GO OR NOT? REX TILLERSON REPLIED TO THAT
SAYS HE WANTED TO IDENTIFY AREAS OF SHARP DIFFERENCE AND COMMON
INTEREST. EVEN WHEN OUR TACTICAL
APPROACHES MIGHT BE DIFFERENT. I THINK THAT WORD TACTICS IS
SIGNIFICANT. TILLERSON ISN'T GOING IN THERE
WITH AN ULTIMATUM OR A DEMAND. I THINK HE'S GOING TO FOCUS ON
THE TACTICS. YOU, RUSSIA, MAY THINK IT'S
TACTICALLY WISE IN SYRIA TO ALLY YOURSELVES WITH ASSAD, WITH
IRAN, WITH HEZBOLLAH, BUT STRATEGICALLY, GLOBALLY DOES
THAT MAKE SENSE? IS IT IN YOUR GLOBAL INTEREST TO
BE ALLIED WITH THESE PEOPLE? HOW IS IT GOING DOWN IN THE
SUNNI ARAB WORLD, FOR EXAMPLE? RUSSIA HAS SAID WE ARE NOT
WEDDED TO ASSAD. OUR SUPPORT FOR HIM IS NOT
UNCONDITIONAL. REX TILLERSON WANTED TO KNOW
UNDER WHICH CONDITIONS WOULD YOU BE PREPARED TO GET RID OF ASSAD
AND HOW LONG MIGHT THAT TAKE? ONE AMAZING STATEMENT THAT CAME
OUT AS THEY WERE MEETING, FROM VLADIMIR PUTIN ON A RUSSIAN
TELEVISION INTERVIEW THAT WILL BROADCAST TONIGHT, PUTIN HAS
SAID THE LEVEL OF TRUST BETWEEN THE U.S. AND RUSSIA HAS
DETERIORATED UNDER DONALD TRUMP. NOW, THAT'S PRETTY ASTONISHING
WHEN YOU THINK OF THE LEVEL OF TRUST THAT HE HAD WITH BARACK
OBAMA WHICH WAS ZERO, NIL. HE'S NOW SAYING IT HAS
DETERIORATED UNDER DONALD TRUMP. SO THAT MESSAGE FROM PUTIN, HE
ALSO SAID WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE THAT SYRIAN FORCES USED CHEMICAL
WEAPONS. THERE IS NONE.
ON THE CHEMICAL WEAPONS ISSUE, IT COULD BE THAT LAVROV AND
TILLERSON, THEY STILL BASICALLY DON'T AGREE THAT THE SYRIAN
FORCES USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS. >> NBC'S BILL NEELY ON THE
GROUND IN MOSCOW FOR US. THANKS SO MUCH.
PUTIN ACTUALLY SAID IN THAT SAME INTERVIEW, LET THIS HANG OUT
THERE THAT THE CHEMICAL ATTACKS IN SYRIA CAME FROM SOMEWHERE
ELSE, NOT THE ASSAD REGIME. HE DIDN'T SAY EXACTLY
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