>> FRANKLY WE TALKED CHEMICALS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST
DON'T SEE THIS, THE LEVEL OF BRUTALITY, THE LEVEL OF
VICIOUSNESS. BUT WHEN THEY DROP BARREL BOMBS
AND BOMBS OF ANY KIND RIGHT ON TOP OF A CIVILIAN POPULATION,
THAT'S THE WORST THING -- I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.
FRANKLY PUTIN IS BACKING A PERSON THAT'S TRULY AN EVIL
PERSON. I THINK IT'S VERY BAD FOR
RUSSIA. I THINK IT'S VERY BAD FOR MAN
KIND. IT'S VERY BAD FOR THIS WORLD.
>> THE WHITE HOUSE IS ACCUSING RUSSIA OF TRYING TO COVER UP THE
SYRIAN GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IN LAST WEEK'S DEADLY CHEMICAL WEAPONS
ATTACK. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SAYS
DECLASSIFIED INTELLIGENCE SHOWS THE CHEMICAL AGENT SARIN WAS
DELIVERED BY A SYRIAN REGIME AIRCRAFT.
MEANWHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS BOLSTERING THE U.S. ROLE IN ONE
OF PUTIN'S MOST HATED ALLIANCES. TODAY PRESIDENT SCHEDULED TO
MEET WITH SECRETARY-GENERAL OF NATURE AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
YESTERDAY TRUMP SIGNED A TREATY ALLOWING THE ENTRY OF MONTENEGRO
INTO THE MUTUAL DEFENSE PACT WHICH WOULD EXPAND ITS REACH IN
EUROPE. SECRETARY OF STATE REX TILLERSON
IS WARNING RUSSIA IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS ABOUT ITS TIES
TO SYRIA SAYING THE ASSAD REGIME WAS, QUOTE, COMING TO AN END.
RUSSIA AT RISK OF LOSING RELEVANCE IN THE MIDDLE EAST BY
CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THE DICTATORSHIP.
STILL THE NEW SECRETARY OF STATE'S INEXPERIENCE IS SHOWING
JUST A BIT. HE REPORTEDLY SAID TO A GROUP OF
TOP DIPLOMATS AT TUESDAY'S G7 MEETING IN ITALY, QUOTE, WHY
SHOULD U.S. TAXPAYERS BE INTERESTED IN UKRAINE.
THAT'S ACCORDING TO FRANCE'S FOREIGN MINISTER.
>> LET'S BRING I THINK MEMBER OF SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE,
DEMOCRATIC WHIP DISHING DURBIN OF ILLINOIS.
SENATE, FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS, CUBS DOING
WELL, 5-2, GREAT SEASON. IT SEEMS AS IF DAVID IGNATIUS
AND OTHERS ARE SAYING THERE IS STARTING TO BE A SHIFT IN
AMERICA'S FOREIGN POLICY PERHAPS BECAUSE OF MATTIS AND McMASTER'S
GROWING INFLUENCE WITH THE PRESIDENT.
HOW IMPORTANT IS IT WE EXPANDED NATO YESTERDAY?
>> ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL. UKRAINE US EXHIBIT A WHY IT IS
ESSENTIAL. COUNTRIES OF POLAND, BALTICS,
UKRAINE, IS ESSENTIAL. I AGREE WITH DAVID IGNATIUS.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS MODERATION OF THE VIEWS OF DONALD TRUMP AT
LEAST IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOREIGN POLICY THAT DIFFER FROM WHAT WE
HEARD ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. STARTED OFF AS PRESIDENT --
>> NOW IGNATIUS SAID MOVING TOWARDS CHINA IN A WAY WE CAN
DEAL WITH CHINA. THEY ARE ALL TALKING PRETTY
TOUGH ON RUSSIA. >> YES.
WHAT A CHANGE. WHAT A DRAMATIC CHANGE IN SUCH A
SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THINK A WEEK AGO, ABOUT A WEEK
AGO, HERE IS SECRETARY OF STATE TILLERSON SAYING LET THE SYRIAN
PEOPLE DECIDE IF ASSAD HAS A FUTURE.
WITHIN SEVEN DAYS WE'RE ATTACKING THEM.
SO THERE IS A TRANSITION TAKING PLACE.
YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED JARED KUSHNER AS ONE OF THE ELEMENTS
OF THE TRANSITION. I THINK THAT'S TRUE FROM WHAT
I'VE HEARD. IT'S AN INDICATION THEY ARE
MOVING TOWARD WHAT USED TO BE THE CENTER STRIPE, MAINSTREAM
FOREIGN POLICY. >> GENTLEMEN, OBVIOUSLY GENERAL
McMASTER, GENERAL MATTIS OBVIOUSLY HAVING REALLY --
>> JOE, I VOTED FOR MORE GENERALS THAN I EVER DREAMED I
WOULD AS A KID GROWING UP IN THE '60s.
>> ISN'T IT FUNNY, I SAY THIS TO MIKE ALL THE TIME YOU THINK OF
GENERALS AROUND THE PRESIDENT, YOU THINK OF JFK AND THE
WARMONGERS HE HAD AROUND HIM, THE PEOPLE HE DIDN'T TRUST.
NOW YOU HAVE MAYBE 15 YEARS OF WAR.
GENERALS IS THE MODERATING INFLUENCE.
>> IF YOU SAW MATTIS YESTERDAY, WHAT A GREAT, SOLID PERFORMANCE.
>> RIGHT. >> HE WASN'T INTIMIDATED BY THE
AUDIENCE. HE WAS PLAYING THE PRESS SAYING
MAYBE IT'S YOUR TURN TO ASK A QUESTION AND GETTING SOLID
ANSWERS LIKE A MAN WHO HAS SEEN COMBAT AND WATCH PEOPLE DIE,
MAKING LIFE AND DEATH DECISIONS. PRAISE THE LORD THAT THAT SORT
OF PERSON IS THAT CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT.
THAT'S THE THING MOST OF US FEAR THE MOST.
IT'S 3:00 IN THE MORNING. HE TAKES A NAP BETWEEN TWEETS.
THERE'S A KNOCK ON THE DOOR. FIVE MINUTES TO MAKE A LIFE OR
DEATH DECISION. WHO DOES HE CALL?
>> I THINK HE'S GOT A TEAM AROUND HIM BECAUSE OF WHAT'S
HAPPENED IN SYRIA THAT HE'S ACTUALLY SPENDING TIME WITH THAT
ACTUALLY ADDS VALUE TO THIS PRESIDENT IN A BIG WAY.
>> NO QUESTION. LOOK WHAT McMASTER IS DOING.
>> TRUMP MADE THESE CHOICES. >> THINK ABOUT THE TRADUP WITH
THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL. WE WENT FROM GENERAL FLYNN TO
GENERAL McMASTER. WE WENT FROM K.T. McFARLAND TO
DINA POWELL. >> YOU WANT SOMEONE OPPOSED TO
THE WAR GO TO PENTAGON. READ McMASTER'S BOOK,
DERELICTION OF DUTY, WHICH OUTLINES FLAWS AND COWARDICE AT
THE COMMAND LEVEL IN THE 1960s. >> YOU TALK TO THE MILITARY,
YOUNG MILITARY, ASPIRING LEADERS, McMASTER IS A HERO.
HE'S A PERSON THAT SPOKE UP AND TALKED ABOUT THE ERRORS OF
FOREIGN POLICY AND HOW THEY WERE PLAYED OUT IN MILITARY
DECISIONS. >> WHEN YOU HEAR REX TILLERSON
SAY THE ASSAD ERA IS COMING TO AN END LIKE HE DID YESTERDAY,
WHAT DO YOU HEAR IN THAT? THAT CAN HAPPEN A FEW DIFFERENT
WAYS, FROM THE SYRIAN PEOPLE SOMEHOW, RUSSIA LEANING ON HIM
CONVINCING HIM TO LEAVE POWER. I DON'T SEE ANY INCENTIVE FOR
HIM TO DO THAT. OR COME FROM WESTERN COALITION
LED BY UMBRELLAS REMOVING HIM FROM POWER.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU? >> I THINK BACK TO FOUR YEARS
AGO AT HOME SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS IT'S SUNDAY NIGHT AND I
GET A PHONE CALL FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA.
WHAT'S UP, PRESIDENT? WELL, WE SEE SOME CHEMICAL
WEAPONS IN SYRIA. I WANT TO COME TO CONGRESS AND
ASK YOU AS A MEMBER OF THE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE TO
VOTE FOR A RESOLUTION AND GIVE ME AUTHORITY TO DO SOMETHING
ABOUT IT, WHICH I DID. AND A NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS
JOINED US, CORKER, McCAIN, GRAHAM.
THEN IT CAME TO GENERAL CONGRESS AND THEY SAID, WHAT'S NEXT AFTER
THIS 60 DAY EFFORT TO DISCOURAGE ASSAD FROM CHEMICAL WEAPONS?
THEY BACKED OFF, BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS BACKED OFF AND
THAT WAS THE END OF THE RED LINE AS FAR AS THE PRESIDENT WAS
CONCERNED. SO I ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT
FOLLOWS 60 MISSILES, WHATEVER, WHAT'S NEXT.
>> THAT'S MY QUESTION. HOW IS ASSAD REMOVED FROM POWER
ULTIMATELY. >> 23 OF US VOTED NO ON THE IRAQ
RESOLUTION TO GO TO WAR. WE SAID NO ON THE QUESTION.
>> WOULD YOU VOTE NO ON THE MISSILES FIRED THURSDAY NIGHT.
>> I BELIEVE IN MY VIEW, CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, THAT IS IN THE
INTEREST OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
>> I'M NOT PUSHING YOU ON THIS NEXT QUESTION, THIS IS MORE OF A
GENERAL QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S BEEN TALKING SINCE LAST
THURSDAY NIGHT, WHEN WE ASK WHAT'S NEXT, WHAT'S NEXT, WHAT'S
NEXT, A VERY WISE QUESTION TO ASK.
IF THEY ARE SAYING OUR POLICY IS NOT CHANGING, WE'RE NOT INVADING
SYRIA, ISN'T PERHAPS THAT THE WRONG QUESTION ON WHAT'S NEXT,
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO. IS IT JUST GOING TO BE A MISSILE
STRIKE? WE MAY BE A FOCUSED MISSILE
STRIKE THAT GENERAL MATTIS SUGGESTED TO THE PRESIDENT,
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT MOMENT CALLED FOR AND MAYBE THERE IS NOT A
NEXT UNTIL HE CROSSES ANOTHER RED LINE.
>> I THINK YOU MIGHT PUT YOUR FINGER ON IT.
I'M NOT SURE THEY HAVE A PLOT THAT SAYS THIS IS STEP ONE.
>> RIGHT. >> WHAT THEY DID WAS ASSERT THIS
PRESIDENT IS WILLING TO USE FORCE.
THAT WAS THE STATEMENT, AGAINST A DICTATOR USING WEAPONS THAT
ARE INEXCUSABLE WHEN IT COMES TO CONFLICT.
>> ALL RIGHT. HERE IS JON MEACHAM.
>> SENATOR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING SURPRISED YOU VOTED FOR AS
MANY GENERALS AS YOU DID. ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK A LOT
OF THESE GENERALS ARE AS BUTTONED DOWN AS THEY ARE IS
BECAUSE OF VIETNAM. IT'S THE COLIN POWELL MODEL.
WE'RE NOW IN THE 16th YEAR OF WAR IN AFGHANISTAN, 14th YEAR
ALMOST TO THE MONTH IN IRAQ. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE NEXT
GENERATION OF GENERALS WILL BE LEARNING FROM THESE WARS THAT
ARE THE LONGEST IN OUR HISTORY. >> THAT'S A GOOD AND IMPORTANT
QUESTION. I THINK THE FRUSTRATION OF
VIETNAM WITH ALL THE LIVES LOST AND MONEY SPENT AND DIVISION
WITHIN THE UNITED STATES, LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
AFGHANISTAN TODAY. I VOTED FOR THAT WAR.
WE WERE GOING AFTER THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TERRIBLE
TRAGEDY OF 9/11. YET YOU LOOK BACK ON IT NOW AND
SAY WHERE ARE WE TODAY IN TERMS OF STABILITY AND FUTURE OF
AFGHANISTAN. WE STILL CAN'T FIELD AN ARMY IN
AFGHANISTAN TO EXECUTE BASIC PEACEKEEPING AND STOP THE
ADVANCE OF THE TALIBAN AND OTHER TERRORIST FORCES.
SO I WOULD SAY THERE'S STILL A LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION.
THE GREATEST MILITARY POWER IN THE WORLD HAS ITS LIMITS AND
PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE SAY WE'RE A GREAT NUCLEAR
POWER, DOESN'T MEAN MUCH WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH ROADSIDE
BOMBS. >> ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. GREA
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