can you hear me Oh
good afternoon everybody my name is
Robert Morten I'm the managing editor of
the National weekly edition of The
Washington Times we were here today to
hear from Chris ruddy author of the new
book published by the Free Press which
is entitled the strange death of Vince
Foster and investigation Chris was born
in Long Island New York the son of a
police officer he earned his master's
degree from the London School of
Economics and he taught for several
years in the New York City school system
so in more ways than one then chris is a
survivor he in 1991 started a monthly
newspaper called the New York Guardian
and on the strength of several
exclusives that he wrote for that
newspaper he attracted the attention of
the New York Post and was hired on there
as an investigative reporter
chris is currently an investigative
reporter for the Pittsburgh
tribune-review and a media fellow at the
Hoover Institution in Stanford
University to set the stage for our
author today let me just review some
recent history deputy White House
Counsel
Vince Foster had already been dead five
months when on December 20 1993 The
Washington Times published a front-page
story about whitewater documents having
been removed from Vince Foster's office
on the night of his death the subsequent
uproar which some of you may remember
led to the appointment of an independent
counsel and it also renewed interest in
the mystery surrounding the death of
Vince Foster and most as interests I
don't need to tell you was circulating
in Washington DC but not on the airwaves
or in print when Chris ruddy took up his
investigation in early 1994
he became the first and only American
newspaperman to aggressively pursue the
story Washington is a city that produces
many official reports and it would take
a few thousand reporters probably just
to keep track of all of them I've got to
say that I'm afraid that that may be one
reason why millions of readers around
the country are going to sleep when they
read the press but the latest of several
official reports on the death of Vince
Foster has just recently been released
by Kenneth Starr who had spent more than
three years going over the same ground
as his predecessor Robert Fisk who
released a Fiske report on the death of
Vince Foster the fifth report had in
turn been necessitated because of
problems inherent in the Park Police
report the original report about the
death events foster the man who's
straight forward but relentless
reporting forced the seemingly unending
rewrite of the official reports as our
guest today we hear from the Free Press
that the strange death of Vince Foster
and investigation is selling briskly and
in fact is quite close to making the
bestseller list this despite the fact
that there has been very little
promotional effort on on behalf of the
book syndicated columnist Tom Sol Paul
Craig Roberts and Brent Bozell also
Arnold baikman have all written columns
about the book and the book has also
been reviewed favorably by the New York
Sunday Times when Tom soil in his column
mentioned that that the a ruddy book is
no conspiracy theory just disturbing
facts that can't be swept under the rug
Arnold Bachmann wrote that that the
ruddy book proved that there is a
cover-up of significant proportions
according to the New York Times this
book is the st. marqs version of the
foster cover-up former New York City
Mayor Ed Koch has praised the reporting
of Chris ruddy the former FBI director
Williams sessions had this to say about
the book
Christopher ruddy has detailed a
significant array of facts and issues
involving the death of mr. foster his
work is serious and compelling while
enduring great criticism he has
tenaciously argued a persuasive case
that the American public has not been
told the complete facts of this case mr.
ruddy has carefully avoided drawing
undue inferences about the death his
reporting raises serious concerns about
the handling of the foster case it is
legitimate to question the process
employed by authorities to make their
conclusion
I just like to point out to our viewing
audience that the book the strange death
of Vince Foster and investigation is
available at most bookstores join me now
please in welcoming mr. Christopher
ruddy well I'd like to thank Robert
Morton for that introduction in fact I'm
very honored that Robert Morton would
even introduce me at such an important
gathering Robert has been not only a
friend for many years but a model for me
in terms of integrity and journalistic
professionalism so again I'm quite
honored that he would introduce me and
I'm very honored that all of you would
come out to hear me have a little
discussion about my book the strange
death of Vince Foster and the title I
think is sort of mimics a best-seller
that appeared in the 1930s I think we
were all too young to remember that one
but it was called the strange death of
President Harding and asked various
questions about not only the death of
President Harding but the suspicious
death of a number of people in his
administration at the time last week
independent counsel Kenneth Starr issued
his report his long awaited report on
the death of Vincent foster and I guess
it's only appropriate that we would meet
at such an important time and I think
the purpose of Starr's report was to
hopefully put an end to the matter
some people would also cynically say
that the report which he did not have to
release and the judges did not have to
release was an attempt of course to
dampen interest in my book because I
come to some very different conclusions
than Ken Starr does not suggesting that
Foster was murdered Starr says he was
committed suicide but I suggest as I'll
detail in my speech today that there has
been a cover-up of the death
and that the facts about the death
including the fact that Starr claims
foster died in Fort Marcy Park is still
open to question
it took Kenneth Starr 30 million dollars
and three years to reach a conclusion we
have been repeatedly told by the major
media was nothing more than an obvious
suicide now any police officer will tell
you this that in a normal case of a
homicide investigation involving of an
apparent suicide or even a homicide case
of a murder should only take a week or
two to open and close the case it
shouldn't take and typically it doesn't
take longer than a few weeks thirty
million dollars in three years so you
might say to yourself why has it taken
that long and I would suggest that the
problem has been the vexing problem has
been the many facts of the case that
disagree with the official findings but
the fact that those facts have found
their way into the minds of many
Americans times CNN did a poll during
the course of the Starr investigation
and the poll found that two-thirds of
Americans had not accepted the
conclusion that vince foster committed
suicide twenty percent of Americans at
that time believed foster was murdered
so what are we talking about almost 50
60 million Americans believed that the
late deputy white House Counsel was
murdered on July 20th 1993 I think
that's a pretty significant dent in the
population of the public so I think what
Starr had to do and what all the
infinite official investigations had to
do was go through the motions to give
the appearance of thoroughness of an
investigation
rather than conduct a thorough
investigation which would have closed
the matter and maybe given some very
different results than what they came up
with the best evidence that they did not
engage in a thorough investigation is
that despite all the questions and
problems in this case they have yet to
conduct a second autopsy on Vincent
foster this is even critically important
more so because you have a case where
you have a number of witness
to say there were additional wounds on
Foster's head inconsistent with suicide
you have a situation where the x-rays
and this high-ranking officials death
are missing even though the government
claimed originally they were taken dr.
Cyril Wecht is one of the nation's most
prominent pathologists and I quote him
in detail his involvement in the foster
case in the book he is also a very
prominent Democrat in the state of
Pennsylvania he ran for the Senate there
he also when my first stories about this
death were raised in the New York Post
he was handling inquiries about the
death for the White House they were
referring all the calls to him so I
guess it was only natural that when the
Senate committee Banking Committee
investigated Foster's death in the
spring and summer of 1994 they turned to
Wecht as one of the people to review the
autopsy findings they never attached
dr. wex statements and findings to their
report interestingly enough but dr.
Wecht has stated publicly that he said
that there definitely needed to be a
second autopsy that he would not himself
sign off on any conclusions until there
was one and that he had never seen a
case let alone for a high official a
case where it was so bungled for in an
investigation of a death of this nature
the problem with Starr's report and the
argument of my book one of the main
arguments of my book is the problem with
all the other investigations that have
taken place the Park Police Special
Counsel Robert Fisk later comes in to
investigate the case after questions
were raised by myself and others there's
been a presumption all along that
Vincent foster died of a suicide and we
are told that we should take this or we
were told originally that we should take
the quit the fact that he committed
suicide as almost a matter of faith now
I believe faith should be saved for
religion and that
deaths should be the domain of evidence
and crime scenes but what we saw here
was a belief that because this involved
the president in the White House as an
institution there shouldn't be really a
lot of tough questions asked
in fact the Park Police determined it
was a suicide and I have the evidence in
my book the testimony of sworn
detectives of the park beliefs they
determined Vince Foster committed
suicide before any detective went to the
scene to view the body this gives new
meaning to the term psychic police
investigators you know I argue that in
fact the first police officer on the
scene who had never seen a suicide
gunshot before he admitted that to me he
radioed in without even having seen the
gun in Foster's hand he said he never
saw the gun in Foster's hand that it was
a suicide
the detectives arrived at the scene and
said we determined it was a suicide
before we went up to see the body there
was disturbing evidence and this is how
I sort of come into the story and I
really had no doubts about this case I
just thought that wear loose ends that
needed to be tied up when I came to
Washington in January of 1994 and met
with some of the paramedics and police
that were first in the death scene and I
was shocked to find out that some of
them indeed had grave reservations about
this death and my book sort of starts
with the paramedics first of the death
scene now let's put this in perspective
these paramedics did not know Vince
Foster was a White House official at
when they saw the body initially they
did not know any ties this man had to
Bill Clinton they were looking at it
straight as medical people as people
that had seen violent gunshot wound
deaths and I was disturbed to find out
and later have confirmed that in fact
some of them believe that Foster had
been murdered at least two of them
officially indicated that it was not
suicide and that it had been a homicide
this is very serious now why did they
think it was just and I think all the
paramedics agreed that there were three
initial problems with the crime scene
to review of the crime scene one was the
gun was still found in Vince Foster's
hand after the explosive recoil of the
gun the kick of the gun any homicide
detective will tell you the gun should
not foil neatly at your side next to
your hip and yet you had this situation
where the gun was still in the hand
secondly they noticed that Foster's body
was neatly composed that his arms were
at his side as he was lying on the side
of a slope in the park his head was
perfectly straight up the gun in the
hand this was very unusual for a gunshot
wound of a violent nature the body
should have looked disturbed and it
appeared to them to at least two of them
that the body had been placed there and
as they both said it looked as if it was
quote ready for a coffin and the third
most probably apparent thing that
interpretation of the crime scene which
i think is them one of the most vexing
problems for the investigators is the
fact that was little blood observed when
they viewed the body if Foster had shot
himself when he was alive there should
have been massive blood loss typical of
a gunshot wound to the head the head is
engorged with blood in fact they all saw
a trickle out of the mouth and the nose
and it was an indication to them that
Foster had not done to two New York City
homicide experts that come into the case
later to look at it independently and I
detail their findings in my book that in
fact Foster may not have died of the
gunshot they would examine to see why
his heart had stopped first and they
would examine they said issues of
whether he had been poisoned or not or
died of some other means the problems of
the crime scene should have been
compounded and those were just a few
there are many many more as the
investigation went on in the days after
Foster's death but those were all
compounded now by the belief of Foster's
friends and family and business or
colleagues professional colleagues at
the White House that he had not
committed suicide or they found it
unbelievable that he had committed
suicide in fact as I detail him the book
and I confirm in the book on the night
of Vince Foster's death webster hubbell
was calling people back a little rock
his cell phone as he was wandering
around the Fosters Georgetown home
indicating to them that Foster had been
murdered that his death had been a
result of foul play and to tell them it
was not suicide
in fact I spoke to Phil Carroll a senior
partner of fosters and hubble's at the
Rose law firm and Carroll told me yes
and that everybody at the time believed
it that it was inconceivable that
Vincent Foster the man the president
United States said was the Rock of
Gibraltar would kill himself Foster's
wife and family told the park police
that night according to their own notes
and recollections that there was no
evidence of depression all of Foster's
associates when they finally interviewed
by the Park Police in the days after the
death at the White House Bernie Nussbaum
his secretary Betsey Pond and Debbie
Gorham all indicated they noticed
nothing unusual about his appearance or
his behavior in the days before his
death our on the day of his death later
of course I are you in the book the
white hat with the probably the backing
in the White House there's a creation of
a story that Foster was depressed
Foster was the highest official to die
since the death of President Kennedy 30
years ago under violent and suspicious
circumstances and yet and yet the Park
Police were put in charge of this
high-ranking officials death
the FBI was kept out of the death
investigation itself was subjugated to a
window dressing role where they didn't
conduct any of the important aspects of
the case so you had a white house the
two months earlier was begging for the
FBI to come in and to investigate the
travel office employees because the
White House wanted to go after them and
get rid of them and put their own
cronies and award their own contracts in
the travel office you have the death of
the president's best friend under very
mysterious circumstances and in fact
they want to keep the FBI out of the
inquiry and what I think here really
happens is that the White House takes
control of a death investigation
and engages in one of the most serious
abuse powers in this country's history
and I think one that would make
Watergate look like child's play because
at the end of the day Watergate was a
burglary a third-rate burglary and here
you have a dead body even the New York
Times in a recent editorial admitted
that the White House engaged in
cover-ups in the office matter although
they're still accepting the suicide
verdict well as one book reviewer put it
if they would rifle his files in his
office what would stop the White House
from rifling his body and of course the
question is if they would cover up
matters in the office why would they not
cover up matters in the death itself the
White House was controlling the
investigations to the point they were
even dictating the timing of the autopsy
procedure as a detail in the book the
morning after the death the autopsy
procedure had been scheduled for the
following day two days after the death
where there would be police officers
from the crime scene who could assist
the pathologist during the autopsy
sometime between 7:00 and 9:00 a.m. the
day after the death and I think is a
clear indication the White House was in
full control of this case they were
telling the Park Police cancel your
scheduled appointment you're gonna have
it on our timing within two hours later
at the offices of the Virginia medical
examiner there was an autopsy being
conducted a rather hasty autopsy I Manta
might add usually they take two hours no
less for a gunshot wound
this one was conducted in one hour the
Park Police have claimed in their own
words in my book that they were
pressured from the White House to close
the case that the pressure as one police
officer said was enormous no one would
even comprehend what was going on but I
think that the Park Police shouldn't be
let off the hook completely people would
say they bungled the case the White
House put the Keystone Cops in I don't
think I go that easy on the Park Police
when you see on critical aspects of
their investigation evidence is missing
or destroyed or contaminated it raises
the specter of cover-up it's an
indication that there actually was a
cover-up that how
could the coincidence be on the key
parts of disputed matters evidence is
missing all the key crime-scene photos
are gone they were taken on one roll of
35mm millimeter film the park police
admit they were destroyed in the lab
when they were underexposed in the park
police photo labs all the x-rays which
were in the police custody have
disappeared even though the report said
they were taken clothing was later
contaminated my book is entitled the
strange death of Vincent foster it could
also be entitled to strange death
investigations because it's not really
about an unsolved murder case possible
murder case or an unsolved mystery of a
suspicious death it's about how the
people that are sworn to uphold the law
in this country did not do the job they
were supposed to do to protect the
rights not only a Vincent foster but in
a very clear way all of our rights and
and civil liberties and I think those
investigations sort of the the failure
that comes to a very clear it comes to
an understanding in the in the person of
Robert Fisk who was the first Special
Counsel there's an old saying in in
among bureaucrats that policy is
personnel or personnel is policy that if
you pick the right people you get the
right results and what we've seen here
in all the different investigations is
somebody has been picking the right
people to get the right results the Park
Police were picked over the FBI later
Fisk is picked and then Kenneth Starr
and Starr makes a number of picks which
we'll discuss that seemingly have no
interest in getting to the bottom of the
case Fisk was not even an independent
council Robert Fisk masqueraded as an
independent council now this is I think
one of the most incredible things of my
book is here you have a man a former
prosecutor from New York that comes in
says he's here to uphold the law to
investigate the Clintons now at the time
he was appointed there was no
independent counsel law its
authorization had lapsed and there was
such a UN cry from Congress
about some of these scandals that they
decided they would appoint an interim
special counsel Janet Reno would make
the appointment under the Independent
Counsel law the appointments made by a
panel of judges which takes the
influence of the investigation away from
the administration so this time Janet
Reno made the choice and she picked a
special counsel named Robert Fisk the
fact that he had no legal authorization
apparently didn't matter to Robert Fisk
because he took the office of
independent counsel and he used the
title of independent counsel and he used
their stationery now imagine if you or
me would have set up an office in a
hallway in Congress and declare that
where the senator from Nevada or the
congressman from California and handed
out business cards we might be laughed
at we probably could be arrested but no
one seemed to bother that Fisk was not
an independent council look at Fisk's
track record it's very clear the type of
person he was New York Magazine did a
cover story after Fisk's tenure as the
US Attorney for the Southern District of
New York the cover story was entitled
why politicians never go to jail it said
that Robert Fisk could turn New York
City into a red-light district for
political corruption get this in five
years as US Attorney Robert Fisk had not
prosecuted one politician for corruption
I mean in New York City he couldn't find
one case a political corruption this is
the man they picked to investigate the
Clinton administration in one of the
most sensitive cases this century
certainly this half of the century
involving public corruption and we know
what the Fisk investigation eventually
did and as I argue in the book they
misrepresented key evidence they
endorsed this whole white house
concocted theory that foster was
depressed they never did the basic
things you need to like a second autopsy
on the death for example Fisk said in
his report that Foster was so depressed
the evidence of this was that he lost a
lot of weight and it was noticeable
many of the people around him well as
one of the independent researchers in
this case who's here with us today you
Sprunt noted in going through the
medical records in fact Foster had
gained weight while working at the White
House his autopsy shows him three pounds
heavier than the time his doctor had
weighed him in just before he left for
Washington in fact the FBI documents in
the Fiske report or that were later
released after the Fiske report showed
no one noticed really any unusual weight
loss in fact Foster's wife specifically
told the FBI in her statement if there
was any weight loss it was before he
arrived at the White House because he
was on a diet and exercise program who
was the main person Robert Fisk to use
to buttress his argument that Foster was
depressed webster hubbell who at the
same time was under investigation by
fisk who is preparing indictments
against webster hubbell for charges of
tax evasion and mail fraud obviously
they couldn't use Hubbell later because
in the Starr report because Hubbell
again was refusing to cooperate with
prosecutors he even reneged on his plea
agreement with the independent counsels
office
Starr is eventually takes Fisk's place
when the law for the Independent Counsel
is authorized Starr really was an
independent counsel
believe it or not and one of the reasons
I believe Fisk was forced out of his
position was his handling of the foster
matter where you had Fisk issuing this
report that was very tendentious the
judges knew that there was a problem
they appointed Starr the problem with
Kenneth Starr was he had already been on
Janet Reno's shortlist and one of the
strong considerations to take the job
Fisk was supposed to have and I think
looking back we can see why he was on
that short list
as I discussed in the book Kenneth Starr
is not the tough independent prosecutor
we have been told he is who tells us
that Ken Starr is the tough independent
prosecutor Kenneth Starr and the White
and James Carville they have created him
into being this meanie
this guy that's out to get the clintons
why well one reason could be that at the
end of the day
kenneth starr has been clearing them of
the major matters in the investigation
and certainly in the most serious ones
affecting their presidency there have
been no indictments to date brought in
washington and evidence of this is of
course his work on the foster case star
comes in and the first thing he does is
independent counsel is he hires a very
liberal democrat named mark 2e who is
closely associated according to
Washington Post with the Clinton White
House who even had thrown a party at his
home for Janet Reno he's made the deputy
overall the Washington side of the
inquiry including Foster's death now I
have no problem with a liberal Democrat
handling this case as long as he has a
record and the ability and the
willingness to pop properly prosecuted
but what we see was there was not any of
those characteristics with mark two II
in fact Starr hires a I think would be
undoubtedly undoubtedly is a liberal to
handle the specific issue of Vince
Foster's case a young civil rights
attorney from Sacramento named Miguel
Rodriguez now Miguel is an interesting
character he's the only federal
prosecutor with a ponytail he is a
little bit of a bohemian among law
enforcement types he also has a very
strong background as I said in civil
rights not your typical FBI Quantico
graduate out of the J Edgar Hoover
School of Law Enforcement
Miguel comes into the case and looks as
it as anyone should who's a prosecutor
what is the evidence show and he says to
himself my god this might be a murder
but at the very least there was a police
and official cover-up based on the
evidence and documents that were put
together by the Fiske investigators
Starr didn't want to have anything to do
with Rodriguez pursuing this eventually
Rodriguez as I described after some
climactic fights and battles in the
grand jury in one case where
he and two he had a fight the chair went
flying across a room that was adjoining
to the the grand jury proceedings
Rodriguez and his assistant two people
resigned from the investigation star and
Tilly then had a problem because there's
a credibility from your chief
investigator prosecutor resigns so they
did what they've done all along they
picked the right people to help close
the case who did they pick in the middle
of the OJ Simpson case Henry Lee the
forensic scientist from Connecticut was
working on that case to help Oh J get
off on murder one charges kenneth starr
reaches out to him and asks him to come
in to help prove that Vincent foster
committed suicide in addition they
needed someone to review the
pathological findings especially because
there's so many questions evidence of
wrongdoing with the body additional
wounds and of course there was no x-rays
who do they hire they go to San Diego
they get the medical examiner they're a
very competent medical examiner named
dr. Brian blackboard the only problem is
dr. black born is the former deputy and
good friend of the lead pathologist who
concluded the case ruled on the cases of
suicide for Robert Fisk
obviously they were circling the wagons
they were getting people they knew and
trusted to review the case and in fact
at long last when star released his
report we knew what the official
investigators have been doing all along
was confirmed things I predicted by the
way in my book the strange death of
Vincent foster that they would be busy
altering evidence manipulating evidence
Manufacturing evidence changing evidence
burying evidence now this seems maybe
harsh but it's there in black and white
what has happened for example it has
been cited numerous times that there was
no coherent soil found on Foster's shoes
when the FBI first examined them in 1994
it was key evidence to prove he had not
walked 800 feet through the dirt trails
of Fort Marcy Park
I even have photographs of the different
areas he would have had to walk over it
is clearly areas of dirt trails to get
to the spot where he was
the body had apparently been moved and
obviously stars people thought this was
a problem too so they had dr. Li
re-examined the shoes you notice
whenever there's evidence of foul play
it always has to be reexamine and
reinvestigated and this is a pattern
that we see in the star investigation
what happens is dr. Li suddenly now
finds soil on the shoes something the
FBI couldn't do with microscopes just to
show you I spoke to the head of the FBI
lab John Hicks who was in the head of
the lab at the time the shoes were first
tested he said what they do is you the
the FBI scrapes the shoes with wire
brushes gets every matter of debris puts
it under microscopes they go back under
the chute take the shoes under
microscopes again to see if they missed
anything microscopes of 30 to 100 degree
power now dr. Lee is saying not only was
there soil there were smears of soil on
the shoes visible to the naked eye
how big of an elephant do they want the
American people to swallow I you know I
suggest at the end of the Star report
they have a little form you said in a
thousand dollars you can buy the
Brooklyn Bridge then you have the
changes or the dr. Lee saying he saw
blood on the leaves 20 people at the
death scene no one observed any blood
above Foster's head as his body was
lying there well if the government
claims that Foster blew a large part of
his head right here above the back of
the cranium this should have been
according to several experts blood brain
tissue bone matter visible apparent
typical of a gunshot exit wound there
wasn't two people specifically mentioned
there was no blood the medical examiner
on the scene and the lead police
investigator on the leaves this was
again evidence the body was moved
dr. Lee has now reviewed Polaroid's not
even good crime-scene photos Polaroids
and now says he sees blood on the leaves
that 20 people on the scene could not
find I guess he also thinks OJ Simpson
is not guilty still to this day the
point here is that there was now
reinterpretation of evidence to make it
less consistent
with a possible murder theory or a
possible theory the body had been moved
FBI agents apparently were busy at work
getting people to change their stories
Richard Arthur was the paramedic at the
death scene
one of the first paramedics and Richard
Arthur said several times in interviews
and this is a quote from his first FBI
interview statement
Arthur quote noted that what appeared to
be a small caliber bullet hole in
Foster's neck on the right side just
under the jawline about halfway between
the ear and the tip of the chin so right
here he sees a hole Arthur is
interviewed again by the FBI during the
fiscal in he sticks to a story he's put
under oath by the Senate committee we
have his sworn deposition he says I saw
a bullet hole no question about it
there's a Polaroid that shows an
apparent wound or trauma
the FBI is saying it's a blood stain but
it's exactly where Arthur says he saw
this wound author is again put under
oath in 1995 when Rodriguez has grand
jury proceedings into the death do you
know what they're claiming now that star
re-interviewed with the FBI no less
Arthur in 1996 for the fifth time he now
says he's not sure and it might not have
been a wound one of the most stunning
changes I believe that shows the degree
that this whole thing has been covered
up was the change in testimony of Lisa
Foster Foster's Widow
Lisa Foster said in previous
investigations that she could not
identify the gun that was found in
Foster's hand he was found with a gun he
apparently did not own no one in the
family could link him to the gun and had
none of his fingerprints no apparent
blood on it this was a smoking gun so to
speak in the whole case and Lisa foster
told the FBI and Knight have told the
Park Police after reviewing a photo that
it was not his gun because he only owned
a silver revolver silver this one was
black she was shown the gun by the FBI
in 1994 under Robert Fisk and she said
to them he owned a silver revolver
not the black one they were showing her
for the Starr investigation the Starr
report says that Lisa foster is now able
to identify and is pretty sure that that
was the gun her husband owned now I
think that this is you know suddenly to
have a recollection in a revelation a
gun that her own children still says
they can't identify as his and Starr
conveniently leaves out of his report
the FBI statement of Lee Bowman Bowman
was Foster's nephew the grandson of
Foster's father who was intimately
connected with the father's gun
collection Starr makes the case that
this gun apparently came from the
father's gun collection Bowman told them
point-blank it was not the grandfather's
gun he had store-bought guns not old
antique revolvers and that was not one
of them that's not in the Star report
either why would Lisa foster change the
story why would mrs. Foster and this is
a problem that the press has cited
frequently that this shouldn't be looked
into because mrs. Foster says she wants
it to remain a mystery well to me as a
journalist it raises immediate it raises
immediate suspicions because usually
family wants the thing investigated
properly in this case you don't have
that there have been published
allegations by the Arkansas State
Troopers that Vincent foster her husband
and Vincent foster and Hillary Rodham
Clinton had an affair had a romantic
affair and I discussed this in the book
and I discuss it not because I want to
be a tabloid journalist but because you
have a high federal officials death you
have something obviously the widow might
not make might not like being made
public that has been published where the
troopers trooper Larry Patterson said at
various parties he saw them encountering
each other in ways only consistent with
them having an affair other troopers
have made similar allegations you also
have a situation as I discuss in the
book that there was an apparent breakup
in whatever relationship they had in the
weeks before the death in fact Hillary
Clinton herself has admitted that six
weeks before the death during the six
week period before the death she had not
spoken a foster once rather incredible
considering their offices when
to one another rather incredible because
he was working on all their business
matters trying to close the blind trust
the tax papers there was something very
unusual about that breakup I believe
ultimately my book is not about a
cover-up of a death the strange death of
Vincent Foster is a warning call to
America
it says if this can happen in America we
are all in trouble there are many books
that could be written about this
administration on abuse of power waco
the filegate FBI abuses the fundraising
gate scandal the Whitewater matter the
poll of jones man my book is the first
book in five years to detail any one of
those scandals from a major publisher
and it's saying to America if you
believe 300 pages if you accept the
media's claims that this is just
right-wing conspiracy nonsense then I
there's no help that can be given for
you but I think there are many millions
of Americans that one time CNN poll
showed the heartland of America agrees
they want a full accounting because if
you can have a death covered up with no
accountability then we're walking down a
very dangerous path where all of us are
in jeopardy and all of our civil
liberties are threatened so I want to
thank you for today for coming I want to
open the floor to questions
[Applause]
any questions mr. Sprunt and we're gonna
get the microphone over to you there
this is a very minor point that one of
the things that I noticed when I read
mr. Starr's report is unless I missed it
not only does Starr's name not appear on
it anywhere neither does any other
individual in his office and I contrast
that with fiscal report which I think
more mr. fists name and I believe three
other gentleman's name I just kind of
struck me is a little unusual it did you
have any comment on that
well it's I think it can be easily
explained that no one no one wants to be
connected with this and I think the
report ultimately is going to be a great
great embarrassment maybe not tomorrow
maybe not next month maybe not next year
history will look at the evidence in
this case there is a body there that may
someday be exhumed and I think that
that's going to be a very chilling
indictment of the official investigators
so I could see why for good reason I was
a little surprised I was looking for at
least some of them to be named but they
were very careful not to put anyone's
name on it and I think that's a sign to
that star you think he would want to say
put his name on the report but he didn't
and none of the prosecutors did either
yes mr. Tappan yes could you discuss
what you think the significance is of
the fact that the three-judge panel who
had it within their power to decide not
only whether the report would be
released but whether there would be any
attachments to it of statements by
interested parties people who had been
mentioned in the report do you think
there's any significance to the fact
that they included a statement by a
witness who claims that he saw
suspicious-looking individuals in the
park when he happened in there around
the time of Vince Foster's death yes in
fact what you're referring to is a
20-page addendum to the Starr report
prepared by an attorney for one of the
witnesses who is not mentioned by name
and I might add what Starr did was
something rather clever instead of
mentioning anyone by any of the
witnesses by name he listed them as
confidential witnesses with numbers
financial witness one confidential
witness to throughout the report and he
said he didn't want to invade any of
their privacy but by doing that he also
kept them out of reviewing the report to
see it in to examine it before it was
released by the judges because there was
a comment period where anyone mentioned
anyone mentioned the report would be
allowed to review it and comment on it
and so therefore none of the witnesses
key witnesses were given the opportunity
because they were all listed his
confidential witnesses how convenient
the one witness who knew he was going to
be mentioned in the report petitioned
the judge his name was Patrick Knowlton
he is one of the earliest people to come
into Fort Marcy Park on the evening of
the death and Knowlton was very
interested in seeing his mention or how
he was mentioning the report Starr
didn't want him to review the report so
they went before the court and the court
forced court-ordered Starr to allow him
to review the report there apparently
seven different legal motions including
the ones where Knowlton was trying to
get in his attorney an addendum an into
the report seven times star asked for
the judges not to consider Knowlton's
appeal seven times the judges ruled
unanimously against Starr and I think
it's a very clear slap in the face when
you have these unanimous decisions and
very clear that Starr wanted to prevent
this information coming out and Knowlton
says very clearly that Starr left out of
the report
the FBI statements original statements
of two witnesses that came into the park
that evening a couple a man and a woman
that drove into the park and the couple
stated to the FBI that when they drove
into the park just about a half hour
before the body was found there was a
man possibly bare-chested sitting in the
Honda the government has identified his
foster's the couple pulled in and backed
in down in one of the spots in the
parking lot now this is a very small lot
Ford Marcy and about ten minutes later
the male member of the couple looked
over at the Honda and saw a man with
long blond hair and a beard standing in
front of the Honda with the hood of the
Honda up now this is just a half hour
before Foster's bodies
Robert Fisk when he wrote his report
about this couple he said they came into
the park and they quote observed nothing
unusual unquote well of course there's
nothing unusual about two men in and
around a car in a public park with the
hood up unless of course the person that
owns the cars lying dead in the back of
the park then it's a sign of foul play
start this is another piece of evidence
they were burying evidence they were
afraid of evidence that was inconsistent
with their theory that foster drove to
the park and if he had driven to the
park his car keys should have been found
on his body the as you Sprunt first
pointed out when the park police came
they searched his pockets meticulously
looking for suicide note no keys they
searched his car no keys the keys
mysteriously show up in the hospital
morgue that night after white house
officials come to identify the body not
one set but two sets of keys the keys
were obviously planted by someone on the
body later that night Jonathan the
strange death of Vincent foster and then
found it so compelling I read it again
and so from that I have two questions
one is a very specific question and the
other is more an opinion type question
the first question is in the account
that you just gave and what I read in
the book there were clear examples of
people changing stories and does not the
independent council have authority to
subject people to to subpoena people and
to have them testify under oath and why
if so was there wasn't that used and
what about perjury in that case I'll
just mention the second question now
that you can then respond to and that's
the back when I was in the newspaper
business in New York City we like to
start our reporters on the Metro desk on
the police beat because they got real
down-to-earth
street-smart follow the evidence learn
what reporting is all about type of
training your book is one that clearly
reflects an ability and a willingness
and a tenacity to
not speculate about somebody's political
position or policy issues but really
follow the evidence and I think you
might have sent something in the book or
somebody has said something about why
maybe the Washington establishment
didn't follow this story the way you did
do you think it's possible they just
don't have that kind of training you
model evidence and follow that I hope
how I wish it was that easy simple but
in answer to your first question why
didn't why weren't these people put
under oath they're changing their story
well it's harder to get people to change
the story when they're when they are put
on the oath so if we assume so your
question comes from the assumption the
official investigators want to get to
the truth the assumption I think the
book shows is that they wanted to change
the stories themselves when Fisk comes
along he puts no one under oath allowing
the FBI to do witness statements and
prepare the statements and as I show in
the book it'll gives the FBI agents
working for him tremendous latitude to
engage in the cover-up by spinning the
the statements and spinning the way the
interviews are are written out about
what the witnesses saw and we know in
several cases where witness has been
shown their statements not only Patrick
Knowlton susan thomases who is a clinton
confidant testified before Congress that
the somehow the FBI just got her
statement wrong too and there there are
many of these examples but what's
interesting is when it's pointed out
that 15 years a grand jury star used one
or at least he pretended he used one
what they did was they didn't like the
information they got in the grand jury
star went back and had FBI agents
reinter view at people which is going to
be history will right just how obvious
the part of the cover-up this was they
went back and had FBI agents interview
the people after they had given sworn
information to contradict their sworn
testimony Richard Arthur for example had
given sworn testimony they reinter
viewed him give you another example
Todd Hall was the paramedic that comes
and finds the body he sees a man running
away from the body wearing a red vest he
told the FBI that twice in statements in
94
or he said it under oath apparently in
1995 according to the Star report he was
interviewed again by the FBI in 1996 and
Todd Hall has now changed his story too
so I think there was an interest to have
that change by the investigators
themselves secondly sure police stories
a lot of reporters don't like covering
that
but remember Watergate started out as a
police story
I think Bernstein was the beat reporter
for the DC police when the Watergate
burglary took place and that's how he
got on this story but somehow that never
stopped the rest of the press from
catching on to the other issues that
were involved in the Watergate matter I
think there's just been a disinterest
here because for several reasons the
press is led like herds are by a few big
players like the Washington Post in The
New York Times they decided early on
this was a suicide they had accepted
that story and they have been immutable
since then secondly we all know it's so
obvious you don't even have to say it
the press is very liberal establishment
the Roper study showed 89% of the
washington press corps voted for Bill
Clinton in 92 these are people that do
not represent America they apparently
have a vested interest in this
administration and it's not that they
necessarily want to cover up for Bill
Clinton they just are uninterested in
I'm willing to examine any of the issues
that contradict their preordained
version of Bill Clinton Stephen in a
very well documented article in the
London Sunday Telegraph Ambrose
evans-pritchard
describes a Polaroid photograph taken at
the scene showing a 22 caliber bullet
hole in the side of Vince Foster's face
yes and yet the gun found in his hand
was a 38 caliber gun is it possible for
38 caliber gun to fire a 22 caliber
bullet or worth or a second gun or how
do you account for it the the wound
would be unaccounted for I think by the
38 which apparently was fired through
the mouth
so I have no explanation I should say
ambrose evans-pritchard
was the great journalist from britain
that really looked into the case and i
give him credit for discussing that and
breaking two other stories related to
the foster death he did the work that no
one in the american media wanted to do
and unfortunately he's been transferred
back to london as a routine matter but i
think he's done great service on this
story and for the united states but
Ambrose brings up another point which
has been verified by the Starr report
was that the autopsy photos in addition
to the crime scene Polaroid which showed
something there shows marks on the neck
Starr acknowledges that the autopsy
photos show black mark or at least two
marks right here on the neck where
Arthur City saw the wound after the body
was cleaned and washed Starr tells us
that based on the photos they believe
that those marks are only dried blood
that didn't get washed off how
convenient
Ambrose also did another very important
story he did a story which showed that
the state troopers in Arkansas an I
detail this in my book knew about
Foster's death
15 minutes or earlier but well before
the White House said they knew of the
death couple of hours earlier because
Helen Dickey Chelsea Clinton's nanny
called the governor's mansion in
Arkansas when she heard about the death
and said Vince foster went out to the
parking lot and blew his brains out
trooper on the guard desk there Roger
Perry put Dickies call through to the
governor Jim died Tucker and Perry
trooper Perry who knew foster
immediately called some of their friends
his friends who knew foster he called
trooper Larry Patterson he called Lynn
Davis the former head of the State
Police
he called his girlfriend all have signed
sworn affidavits they knew about the
death at least two hours before the
White House claimed trooper Patterson
says he knows the exact time because he
just walked in the door from work which
was six o'clock Washington time 15
minutes before the body was found in the
park
how does Starr address this problem in
his report very interesting he says dick
he's telling the truth
one of the things he cites is that she
wrote a diary entry a few days after the
death
a diary entry is going against the
witness statements okay then he says we
can't find the one phone record that she
admittedly made she said she made it
later that night she they can't find
that one phone record at the White House
they don't keep a record from the phone
all the other calls she made they can
find the phone record but she apparently
went through a different system just for
that one called to Arkansas so there was
no record the governor's mansion I'm
told has phone records of governor
Tucker calling back the White House
those phone records are now missing
trooper Patterson told me yesterday and
I reported in my book that the star
people had been trying to get them to
change their story about the time they
were notified to make it fit with the
White House
trooper Patterson told me yesterday the
FBI working for Starr called him five
times to try to get him interviewed him
five times to try to get him to change
his story and he says I've been in law
enforcement I had never seen anything
like this before he was consistent they
kept on saying could it have been could
you have forgotten maybe you were
mistaken and he said no I'm not
and what did Starr do he says I believe
Helen Dickey and just conveniently
leaves out the testimony of Patterson
Davis and all the others that knew about
the death any other questions Jim
Davidson do you have a question well I
think that you're too easy on the FBI
because seems to me that the implication
is that the FBI was used to intimidate
witnesses and to change testimony and to
suborn perjury and instruct justice
misprision of a felony would also fall
in there somewhere
it seems to me that there are very
serious problems with the whole
investigative structure of government if
your book is correct and I I also wonder
about you're constantly saying that you
don't think it was murderer you're not
saying it was murder because nobody when
his right of sound mind could listen to
this evidence did not think it was
murder because you have to give some
explanation for why if it's a suicide
they would go to all the trouble to
cover it up by cover up a sua
what difference does it make me be shot
himself in the White House parking lot
which I don't believe because that would
have been under surveillance one would
think or somewhere other than Fort Marcy
Park why would anybody cover-up a
suicide does it matter well two points I
don't think the FBI gets off the hook at
all in my book I make them one of the
main culprits and I've just been
discussing how they've changed all the
key witness statements working for Fiske
and Starr I believe and I detail in the
book that William sessions was fired the
day before Foster was found dead in that
Park
leaving the FBI essentially leaderless
on the day and for six weeks after the
death sessions has charged that led to a
compromised investigation into the death
and he used that word compromised by the
FBI I think there has been a political
takeover the FBI that has been unseen of
in the country's history it's gone
completely unreported it should be noted
I don't think it's any coincidence the
first raid by the White House and the
FBI background files takes a place a
week after Vince Foster's death a week
after Bill sessions was fired as
director of the FBI so I agree with all
of your sentiments about the FBI and I
think anyone that comes away from this
can see you know there's a problem your
star knew there was a problem with the
FBI he was told by Rodriguez and I
detailed us in the book not to use the
FBI as investigators because of their
conflict of interest you know you have
an independent counsel supposedly
outside the executive branch but they
using as their investigative agents to
control the investigation investigators
who if not directly worked for the
president will eventually go back and
work for the executive branch once in
their retirement and their job status
was all dependent on the executive
branch of government it's a silly way to
have an independent counsel
conduct an investigation started and
have to use them and he did because I
think he knew the result they would give
as for murder-suicide
I don't really say I don't know maybe
that's not if I said those words it
wasn't appropriate I should say it's not
my job I believe to conclude as a
journalist working on the case whether
it was a murder or suicide I want to try
to be as close as I can to that
old-fashioned type journalist that goes
out gets the facts and presents them and
allows people to draw their own
conclusions now I should tell you and I
detail this in the book that the two New
York City homicide experts that looked
into this case formerly with the police
department there they leaned towards the
murder theory only because all the
evidence leans that way they say they
would like to see a second autopsy
before they make a final conclusion but
they said murder clearly can't be ruled
out in the case and I also agree with
you and they make that same point that
if this was just a suicide why to go to
all the trouble to cover it up even if
it was an embarrassing situation and
there seemed to be on the night of the
death a knowledge about this death so
early so soon and I think reading
between the lines you've got to ask
yourself in my book did the Park Police
know this was to be a suicide before
they arrived at the park and that was
the main thing Rodriguez was starting
his inquiry at point zero how did the
police seem to know this was a suicide
when they arrived at Fort Marcy that's
extremely disturbing and I don't think
it attracts at all from what you're
saying Jim mr. Sprunt this is something
that is a data divert
I really appreciate Chris being involved
with he was part of a four year suit for
your request was denied a four year suit
was filed in March of 96 we obtained 389
pages of the FBI agents handwritten
interview notes where they would bring
in a witness like Patrick Knowlton or
whomever and they would interview him
and write up handwritten notes
the FBI 302s the type witness interview
reports would be done based on those
handwritten notes we freed up or Chris
freed up this almost 400 pages and you
can go in and you can see in the
handwritten notes the phrase might be
mr. foster was fighting a prescription
the type report will say fighting
depression a witness will have seen
something on the western border of Fort
Marcy Park according to the handwritten
notes the type report the witnesses
location is moved to the northeast
portion of the park
hundreds of yards away these are not
casual errors
so there is something more involved here
you can see the flow from the
handwritten notes the type reports
there's a change
mr. Fisk will often quote or mr. Starr
will quote publicly available FBI 302s
you go back to the 302s you see a change
from the type 302s
to what mr. Fisk says so you have a
progression here it's a kind of a
process along the way you end up with an
outcome that is totally unsupported by
the raw investigative documents we got
these handwritten notes they were a
treasure trove right the agents
handwriting handwriting is not so good
in many cases but it's astounding stuff
I mean I started vibrating when I read
this but just to follow up the FOIA suit
was a freedom of information suit that I
filed because Starr was not turning over
the handwritten notes of the
investigators that was used to later
compile what he what mr. Sprunt said
with the 302s that's the official
typewritten interview statement and what
they did was apparently things that were
on the knot in the handwritten notes
were included in statements or they
didn't or they changed words or things
and observations that were made in the
notes in the later statements I might
add that fosters doctor has given
various stories along the way because
everybody says those doctor prescribed
antidepressant well it's interesting and
they say he was taking this
antidepressant the first blood test the
tested for antidepressants found not a
trace it's only later when our friends
at the FBI look at the blood does a
trace of two antidepressant come in and
the doctor originally said in his FBI
statement he was not depressed he was
suffering from insomnia Foster was not
in Christ as he didn't think there was a
big problem now in the Starr report the
doctor is quoted as saying that Foster
was deeply depressed and even anorexic
now anorexic he had a full lunch before
he went and allegedly killed himself not
only that in the medical records show he
gained weight and no one noticed this
anorexia including web Hubbell so you
know again is this story question to be
asked being concocted here Garnett I
wondered how all these cover-ups are
going to affect
the President of the United States as he
goes around the world meeting people
don't they leap reading stories about
his figure and all of that I should
think they have so little respect for
him don't you think that's going to
affect our as our place in the world
well I I don't think the Foreign Press
they sort of mimic the American press
except for Britain where you have a
little bit more interest in going into
some of these scandals at the Sunday at
the Times and the London Sunday
Telegraph where Ambrose was at but other
than that they're pretty much unaware
although they hear I mean the scandals
that we hear about through television
Paula Jones and the fundraising they're
all superficial matters the press never
goes beyond now they're arguing about
whether Bill Clinton made phone calls
from his office or Al Gore you know how
have we gotten to the point of these
silly phone calls which they know are
never going to really affect Bill
Clinton legally or bring any indictments
to the issue of hundreds of thousands of
dollars that came from the Chinese
government that they can prove in wire
transfers where there's possible
espionage going on the highest levels
from the Chinese government to influence
the elections and this has completely
been dropped by the press here and the
foreign press as well where it hurts is
ultimately any society that has no
accountability goes bankrupt it's
institutions itself and just like a
business and I think that's what's gonna
happen here Jim and then even with the
way that stark treats a couple of things
which seemed to me to be beyond physical
reality for example as I understand it
they've never found any Foster's
fingerprints on this pistol he's alleged
to have used to shoot himself which
would be surprising because the
conditions should have been ideal for
fingerprints and moist day in July dusty
place you should be able to leave
fingerprints on a pistol and there were
other fingerprints found on the gun when
they took the the handles that removed
part of the grip as I understand under
the grip
so that fingerprints did it here to the
surface and he also as I understand it
the pattern of powder burns on Foster's
hands indicate that both hands were
forward of the cylinder when the gun was
fired which would have been indicated to
me that he must be saying that he
somehow picked up the gun without
putting fingerprints on it and without
having his hand on the handle and
somehow fired the gun with his thumb
with both hands basically on the barrel
of the gun well you're right on both
points that you raised contrary to
physical reality well both are
inconsistent with the the suicide and
the way they say he killed himself let's
remember Foster was found with the gun
in his hand there should have been
prints on it what star has done is he
got the famous OJ Simpson expert Henry
Lee to come in and say well the hand
grips have a design on them that has a
coarse surface and that sometimes it's
hard to leave a print on those surfaces
and that is true but what they neglect
to mention is most guns have a score
surface there on the hand grips that
doesn't stop finger prints from being
left not only there but on all parts of
the gun because no one just touches the
hand grips in fact we know that based on
the powder burns neither hand was on the
grip when the gun was fired that the
hands were up on around the frame of the
gun around the cylinder there should
have been according to the top forensic
fingerprint person in the country looked
into this case independently Vincent
Scalise who I might add found one of the
partial print of Lee Harvey Oswald on
the rifle that was found in the Book
Depository when he worked for the House
Committee on assassinations Scalise says
as you said the conditions were ideal
there should have been partial prints
and full prints all over the gun when he
checked the bullets to see if that they
were there the cylinder the frame the
trigger guard nothing was found it was
just like the suicide note that I guess
Vince Foster wrote with his gloves in
the middle of a summer day and then tore
it into 28 pieces so he wouldn't leave
any fingerprints the second point you
you raised with the powder burns there
was and Starr knew that this was a
problem and all he does in his report
he quotes an expert saying essentially
we're right there were heavy powder
burns on the left index finger and on
the right index finger meaning both
hands were near the only place that
those part of powder burns could have
come from which is the front of the gun
the front cylinder of the gun the gap
between the barrel and the cylinder up
near the front not the back of the gun
neither hand was on the guns grip how do
you fire a gun without having any
stabilization on the back grip of the
gun and all his report does is state
that both hands were up by the front of
the gun near the cylinder gap so again
this is according to seven leading
experts in consistent with suicide how
could you hold a gun without you're
touching it in a part presumably he must
have been touching the gun at some place
how could you be touching well again up
there where the fingerprint should
really adhere without tent without
leaving any fingerprints dr. Vincent
DiMaio the leading gunshot expert in the
country said that he had never heard of
this and it was inconsistent an FBI
expert said it was inconsistent with
reality as you said Massad Ayoob of the
lethal force institute said you know
what it sounded like to him somebody
took a gun and put it in a dead man's
hands put Foster's hands around the gun
and fired it because they knew the first
thing the police would look for other
investigators would be powder burns so
they made sure there were powder burns
by firing a gun in his hands to give the
appearance of burns but on closer
respect inspection it was an unusual
grip so much so that even the Park
Police and I quote the two investigators
saying that it was a non grip they've
never heard of a grip like this the
police themselves Steve if a scenario
took place as you've just described and
that that gun was fired through Foster's
mouth after he was already dead would
there then be a lot of brain matter
tissue and blood behind the head on the
leaves and because none was found and
secondly if there were powder burns on
the both hands how is it possible that a
man
just shot himself then conveniently
rearranged his body so that his hand I
was down by the side of his of his knee
as shown in the ABC news photograph well
I think you're you're right there there
should have been blood and brain tissue
in it because you have an exit wound
even though Foster is dead there's still
blood in his body
if the shot was fired there should have
been a lot more had he been alive
because the heart engorges the head and
blood and we know very vividly there was
a case where a gentleman called a press
conference in Pennsylvania state
official and I detailed us in book in
the book shot himself in a way they say
Foster did and what we saw is tremendous
amount of blood loss the head was still
above his shoulders when he was thrown
back against the wall and you can see on
the video for almost a minute or longer
blood pumping out how is it there was no
bleeding blood from bleeding on the
front of Foster's shirt later some
drains on from the back but none on did
he wear a bib but to keep himself clean
but and then neatly composed himself it
makes no sense whatsoever
Robert Robert Morton finished reading
your book but there were two cannons in
the park for Mercy Park and I guess the
official report was he was found you
know the second cannon which is near the
road where there are some residences
where there's other indications who was
actually found near the first cannon
which was fairly remote as far as the
eye could see at that point have you or
any other follow-up investigations
surveyed the people who lived along that
road was there any report of any unusual
activity on that day by those residents
well none of them were in questioned no
one living in the neighborhood and
there's houses right across from the
street where the police found the body
and it's you know for my book I also
contend the police haven't told us the
truth that the place was somewhere else
in the park that's in dispute because we
have no photos that show where the body
was found at the site in front of the
second cannon where the bodies found
there's at least four different official
positions where the body was found four
different
one has it the park police said the body
was essentially 18 feet in front of the
cannons barrel down the slope
but when Fisk came along he realized
that was a problem because if the body
was way down the slope it didn't fit
with the witness statements that said it
was up near the top so Fisk just moved
the body up in his diagram six feet
essentially altered a crime-scene
diagram which is I believe or understand
to be illegal the neighbors across the
street should have been interviewed by
the Park Police their manual says four
suicides that they interviewed the
neighbors should be interviewed they
warrant then Fisk comes along he
interviews only the Saudi Arabian
ambassadors residential staff who are
literally across the street and they
have high-tech security cameras and
things like that they claim they saw
nothing suspicious and it took almost
two years for Starr to go out after the
death to interview the neighbors and the
problem is that when you go back out
that late and suddenly start
interviewing people about what happened
two years ago you're gonna get let less
information had you gone out within
hours of the day after and said did you
see anyone around the neighborhood
yesterday did you see a van did you see
people walking in the park carrying
anything was there a truck in the back
because people say well Mike Wallace
raised this point on 60 minutes they
said how could anyone carry 200 pounds
to the back of the park and I said well
Mike that's pretty easy because they
carried the body
two people carried the body out of the
park of course that answer didn't get on
60 minutes but then I said to Mike there
are trails where the maintenance pickups
and that you could drive a car literally
without a problem to the back area of
the park the trails are that wide and it
could be done easily Ethan
bitching some of the impediments to your
investigation the FBI being politically
compromised and I agree with that a lot
of other ones too how but there is a
Republican Congress in place if there
was a possible murder obviously that's a
kind of political Anarchy that it's
injected into the situation which may be
neither party wants to recognize or
examine but in general has the
Republican Congress been a help to your
investigation and if they've been a help
how well no they haven't been a help to
me I isn't like I've been working with
them either I do an independent
investigation have they done any of
their really own investigations they did
one for the Senate Banking Committee and
this has been widely cited but it really
amounted to one day of testimony and
they only interviewed about a dozen or
half-dozen people for their it's not
really an investigation it was just a
cursory review of the facts and as I
pointed out when people like Cyril Wecht
gave them evidence to the contrary they
didn't include it in their report I
think there was a desire here not to
rock the boat early on then you have the
strange situation after the Senate
agrees that there's nothing to this
death a year later senator de Matos
quoted on several public appearances
saying that he thought the body was
moved and there was good questions to
indicate that it had been moved you have
Newt Gingrich saying in the summer of 95
that he wasn't accepting the suicide
conclusion
some people argue a lot of his problems
real problems begin then with the press
we know there was one congressman that
really tried to speak out on this
believe that at least the body had been
moved his name was Dan Burton and he has
been completely excoriated by the press
The Washington Post has written some
really nasty pieces about him no
politician likes bad press more than
that he became chairman of the Oversight
Committee
within days of allegations that suddenly
arose that he had engaged in improper
financing they had a major grand jury
investigation I think that's still
ongoing indictments could be still being
hung over his head and I think that
people know that this is a hot potato
very radioactive and the White House
doesn't want people looking into it so
even the Republicans like many other
issues involving Clinton have not delved
into I think that will that's going to
end our program today I want to
appreciate I appreciate all of you I
appreciate the c-span audience for being
with us today and I hope people would
get a copy of my book the strange death
of Vincent foster which is published by
Free Press and available in bookstore
box stores across America I'm told that
people have had a hard time getting the
book even though it is by a major
publisher if your retailer a bookstore
says that it's not available or out of
print or whatever just order the book it
should only take two or three days to
get to you even bookstores don't like
this truth sometimes getting to you and
it certainly is stuff that goes against
the grain of establishment thinking but
I appreciate you coming and have an open
mind and I hope you'll love if you
haven't read the book read it and come
to your own conclusions about what
happened with Vincent Foster thank you
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