This is Deliverance Ministry.FM Video cast number 25.
Hello again everybody and welcome to this episode of Deliverance Ministry.FM where we
give you proven insights about the demonic realm and deliverance ministry so you can
wage spiritual warfare more effectively.
Hello, this Dr Don Ibbitson and here with my co host and colleague Dr Phyllis Tarbox.
Good to be here.
And we're looking forward to this session and, uh, because it's, it's about a topic
that we encounter quite a lot in the counseling center and we're going to examine the realm
of, if you like or the topic of depression.
It's a very common reflection that we, the people coming to, to, to meet with us, that
it's a car seems to be a common thing in their life and, and part of the issue.
And it's very important to get to the root cause of the depression.
Absolutely.
It's pervasive in this country.
The, uh, the fact that so many people are having depression, it's research.
Recent research has found that anywhere between five to 90 percent of adult women and two
to three percent of adult men in the United States suffer from what is called major depression
in any time.
And we'll talk about those different clinical diagnoses on different things about, um, uh,
depression and how big is diagnosed and how the medical profession looks at that.
But we want to talk about that in more depth than just look at the example or look at the
realm of the field rather of depression.
And let's begin by saying before we get into the main topic that depression isn't emotion,
right?
That's part of our, it's part of our soulless realm are personas and we'll see it in a.
We talked about that in different podcasts about our body, soul and spirit.
And uh, that we have a soul that's not born again, but it is an emotion that we have in
different times.
We feel sad.
But the question we want to explore is in this topic is, is it possible that there's
demonic tournament at work?
And how can you tell if it's, if it's a, just an emotion of sadness that you're experiencing
or whether it's true or depression, if you like, from a demonic strongholds standpoint.
That's what we want to focus.
I think sadness is fleeting and I mean it comes with events or things that are happening
to us.
Ah, depression comes when you've been meditating on that last for a long period of time and
you can't get the victory over it.
It's something that just keeps you stumbling and you enter that depressive state and it
becomes a basically what overtakes you as far as your mood.
You know, you walk around and I call it your state, you know, sad, lonely, depressed, that
sort of thing.
It's, but it's much greater than just a temporary sadness from an event.
It is.
And once again, as counselors and deliverance ministers, wanna look at it from a spiritual
standpoint.
Well, that's what we're focusing on here too, is to understand and we see that the Bible
is full of, um, what we would say, people who seem to suffer or tormented by depression.
We know when there's account.
Of course, one of the most comprehensive books in the Bible in terms of somebody who just
had a major depression because of things in our life was the book of job.
Alrighty.
Lost everything.
So yeah, that would bring it in.
Children, family, his whole household was gone and all of his livestock and so great
loss was encouraged by him and I'm sure that he.
You could tell by what he was meditating on and what he was saying.
There was something there.
Right, exactly what you.
Absolutely.
Elijah as well.
He hit, he hit him the cave.
He hit him from until the food source or ran out and of course, you know, the question
was, why are you here?
Why are you still hiding in the cave?
And you know, he had to really grab himself up probably from a real sinking, defeated
I didn't when I didn't finish what I was supposed to do and get up and start moving.
And it took.
It took the prompting of God to get them going again.
Absolutely.
And we also see the encounter in First Samuel Sixteen, verses 14 through 23.
It's about saul and it talks about in, starts off with saying that because you don't be
the David had been anointed, king was to be King of Israel and it's said that the, that
the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul and an evil spirit, tormented him in verse
16, and then look at it.
Let's get somebody to come for you and to come to your brother who can play the harp
and then they will play the play for you.
When the evil spirit comes upon you and you're going to feel better.
That's how David really got in the mix and we see David did come and, and play and saw,
liked him very much, but that the, the, the point I want to focus on in the areas that
you know, they're, they're seeing the word use.
He was a spirit tormented him and it's very likely and doesn't say explicitly that maybe
that was a spirit of depression.
He was about to lose the kingdom, right?
The Lord had departed from him.
Spirit of the Lord had departed from him, so I'm sure.
Sure.
He knew that his days were numbered and he wasn't going to be moving with that favor
any longer.
So I'm sure he was sad and depressed.
Yeah, I
was.
So, once again, that's where we really see the really explicitly use the term of a spirit
of some kind, some kind of spiritual spirited, demonic spirit.
That was, that was tormenting saul.
So I guess the question that's worth asking, you're going to as we start out here is um,
what is, if you like normal depression or what, what is, what is normal soulless realm
when we, when we talk about depression, because when we talked about in other podcasts about
the whole body, soul and spirit model, we get born again, we get saved, we don't get
a new body, we don't get a new soul.
And in our soulless realm where our, where our mind is, there's a lot of mind battles
at Guan there.
And so what is, you know, what don't we want to share with the folks in terms of out of
a definition of depression that might be helpful for them though
I looked it up, I looked it up on wikipedia so I will read it to you and what it says,
all sorts of great quality wikipedia.
It's a state of low mood and aversion to activity that can affect a person's thoughts, behavior,
feelings, and sense of well-being.
People with the depressed mood can feel sad, anxious, empty, hopeless, helpless, worthless,
guilty.
Why?
There's a lot to this one, Huh?
Irritable, angry, ashamed or restless.
They may even lose interest in activities that were once pleasurable.
Experience, loss of appetite or over eating, have problems concentrating, remembering details
are making decisions, experience, relationship difficulties, and may contemplate or attempt
suicide, insomnia, excessive sleeping, fatigue, aches, pains, digestive problems or reduced
energy may also be present.
While I think that just about covered most of our strongholds, so depression, so people
are probably listening to say yes, that's me right there.
There's a lot that feeds into depression, so depression actually could be the end result
of many of these things combined combining themselves.
And then that's where the depression comes in, especially with sickness and loss.
Well, it is, and there's a lot of things that happen.
I mean, you talked about sadness.
I mean, things happen, you know, we can people, it can be, you know, people can be sad.
There's things happening or soon to be as trivial as their hockey team or football team
loses or older dog dies and you know, there's sadness it happens in those depression and,
and things that can happen in that realm.
But it's usually fleeting, right?
I think that's the main thing.
And we see a lot of people here who are just a battle depression, like literally all their
lives and sometimes they can't even put their finger on where we want to get into the realm
of understanding.
Well, you know, we touched on it already that in the realm of deliverance ministry, that
there can be spirits, there can be and will say categorically, um, you know, we operate
with a list of spirits and strongholds and we minister to people.
But one of the spirits that we, that we talk about explicitly in politics policy is a spirit
of depression.
Now we put that stronghold of depression under army.
I'm sorry, we place for our purposes that spirit spirited depression underneath, or
if you like, boil the strong man of heaviness.
And that's kind of what we consider to be the ruling spirit over depression.
My others whose guilt and shame, self pity, loneliness and whatnot, rejection.
And that's where we tend to have it.
But, but there can be, and I think this is where people need to understand is there is
depression where we feel depressed and we get, you know, it's fleeting, but there can
be instances where there can be a demonic stronghold of depression there.
And as we like to say, we're not going to go over all this ground now.
But, um, you know, if you have a demonic stronghold and the spirit behind it, then they really,
the only remedy is to get delivered from that spirit.
That's true.
That's true.
It's just not going to get up and walk away on its own.
It's not going to walk away on its own.
And people, um, you know, for different things.
I mean, there's all sorts of books out there about positive thinking and going to your
happy techniques in their recovery can.
And I think what we want to talk about is as you're listening to this and say, well,
is that my issue or, you know, or is it something deeper than that?
And so we want to kind of migrate into the discussion about evidence or indicators that
they did that a person may have a demonic stronghold of depression.
And once again, I mean, before we get into that, we want to be clear that that deliverance
is the driving out of demons and people can have spirits inside of them and they're soulless
realm.
And among those spirits, one of them can be a spirit of depression.
So tell us, what do we tell people how if say, what are indicators or evidence is that
there may be a demonic stronghold of depression at work?
Well, before we even get to that point though, I just.
I would just want to make one point about depression because in the United States I
got to tell you there is a very large territorial trauma that happened to this country that
was based on the Great Depression, right?
I mean anytime you have people walking around saying I lived through the great depression
or depressed or anything like that, you know, that really opens up a door or any kind of
loss is going to open up a door for depression.
And of course that was a great economic loss back then with the Great Depression, and we've
talked about this some before, but anytime you have a sweeping movement like that across
the country where so many people are affected by that type of a loss and those kinds of
words are associated with it, then the enemy is going to capitalize on it.
So I don't know about your parents because you're from Canada, but over here my, my mother
walked around saying, oh, we lived through the Great Depression.
And so as that went on, you know, then the next generation comes.
Now that's me.
I, I didn't struggle with great loss or financial loss.
They did and we've been very blessed.
But I have to tell you that I struggled with depression.
Let me, when I came in for deliverance, that was one of the ones in my bag, you know, that
was one of the things I had to get through and I'll tell you what, the kids that are
coming in now, it's like the next generation, the 20 year olds to eight and nine year olds
in here that are on depression medicine, medicine.
So I believe that this is a, like a generational iniquitous structure set up over the great
United States where the enemy has brought that down.
So it's, you know, some things shifted back then and this spirit now has, knows our name
and it comes in and it can torment the generations because it affected our forefathers.
So I believe from a generational perspective, depression is something very valid that we
could've been born into, into our family and it may look different, it may look different
for my generation, the next generation than it did, so I don't know that we necessarily
connect the dots and identify it because like I said, my mom struggled with financial loss
but I had a lot of other laws but it's set up exactly the same way.
And so that's what the enemy does.
He repackages a spirit, but it's the same spirit maybe repackages the, the way it gets
in, but it's the same spirit.
So look back in your family and see if those words were something that you say that your
parents spoke over raw over you or over there over the family that we were all depressed
and we had lost everything.
And you know, I used to hear the stories.
We went door to door selling canned goods for Nicola can, you know, because they'd lost
everything.
So it was, it was, it was pretty widespread.
Right, exactly.
And I think that we are, we've talked about some of the podcasts about what sort of generational
curses and curses upon them right at that time in that, in that we call the Great Depression
then that there was a spirit of that at work there over the country, over the last parts
of the world as well.
But it is kind of propagated over time and as you say, entered into people and they've
embraced it and owned it.
While my depression, you'll hear that even now say my depression is that commercial.
Have you seen that commercial?
The commercial on TV for some of the depression medicine, there's a little umbrella that's
in the corner and it's called my depression and it follows the lady wherever she goes.
Oh yeah, that's a horrible.
I hope they take it off the air.
Well, and that's it.
And that's, you know, that's the power of the tongue, you know, you know, there's real
life and speak.
We speak things over ourselves and my depression.
But I guess, you know, the, the notion is that there can be, as you know, all this is
to really hone in on the fact that there can be a spirit behind.
And so for us, we say, well, you know, when somebody comes in and we, you know, the first
session, we have an interview, a lot of times we will hear from people that, you know, always
battled depression, they've had it and they've tried different things or some part power
positive thinking technique brings about a self-help stuff, a lot of self-help things.
And people sometimes are, had counseling, had prior gone to the pastor.
They hadn't ministry for it if they're brave enough to go in and confessed to being depressed,
um, because sometimes you get beat up in the church to joy the Lord, sister, brother, you
know, where's your faith?
You know?
And it's like, so you feel get depressed about confess and bringing forth the fact that you
feel depressed, you shouldn't be depressed.
And so sometimes the church ends up beating people up in that regardless.
So you know, the other element though is as we know as in the world, you go to the doctor
and you just mentioned depressed and many times and that pad right away, don't they?
They seem to want to bring out a script and write a script for you.
And we've had boy, just so many people in here and you know, at the heart of it feels,
and I've seen and I'm sure you have to literally the thousands of people we've seen it, you
know, I don't, I can recall maybe you know, the number of people on one hand with fingers
left over who really cared about their medication.
You know, this medication has really helped me.
It's really.
I mean it's really fixed the problem.
Yeah.
I couldn't have, you know, most people by and large, they've taken it, they're taking
it, but they recognize it's not a cure.
It's a band aid.
They don't like the side effects.
Almost a very, very large.
And they can be in their doped up and they're dumbed down and are.
And so, you know, the medical, I think be the view is that I was the, that I've seen
from people, is it the medical solution doesn't work for depression because it's really not
a medical problem or tone in levels in the brain and the other chemicals that are off
balance.
So if a person is extremely depressed and their body is out of whack chemically, you
know, oftentimes they will need some depression medicine just to get back up and, you know,
get, get, get a little bit of balance to come in, um, to recognize, OK, that's helping that
piece of it.
But what caused my levels to go off to begin with, was it fear, was it last, was it some
sort of trauma?
Because you're right, that doesn't go away.
So you can medically, um, get some temporary help, which, you know, I have to tell you,
you know, really when I came in I was, I was on something like that.
But after I went through deliverance, you know, about nine, nine months afterwards,
you know, it wasn't right away.
Um, everything started to balance out and I just recognized that I didn't need it anymore
and that was the beautiful part because we never tell people here to get off their depression
meds, you know, we don't do that because chemically that's something that you have to walk out
with your medical doctor, but with deliverance we get down to the root of it and then you
don't need it anymore because once your chemicals are balanced and you're feeling good and your
immune system's working right, and then your mental emotional state is better, then it
all just kind of clicks.
And then the joy for me, I mean it was easy.
I just said, no, I'm good.
If you're listening to this and you feel like we're beating you up for taking, oh no, depression.
That's not the point.
Now we're not saying that at all.
It's just I love praise God for doctors.
Lucas Dyer, great things in the field of medicine, but in the whole realm of psychotropic medications
by art know whether it's for fear or depression or many other things, it's just they're not
really issues and say, well, don't you believe in chemical imbalances?
I said, well, yes, I can see they can do the test and see certain levels are low and high,
but then I want to submit to you that that's more a symptom of the problem.
Exactly, exactly.
And the treat the symptoms and so what you said was so important when you get delivered
from the strongholds and then the body will follow in behind what's happening in the soul
levels stabilized and you just say it and then they can work in conjunction with the
physician to say, I want to, you know, I want to move off of this, and most people I know,
Dr you know, they will work with you if they're not.
Doctors aren't bad people.
They don't necessarily push, just always pushing.
Now they want to help you.
They can happen and that's the encouragement that we want to give that after deliverance
you can doctor that.
I work with over in, in the Tampa Bay area who came in for her own self, but then she
came back and said, listen, I wanna I wanna learn more about what you do and even go through
the process because I treat patients daily for depression and they come in and they just
want me to take the pad out and write them a prescription and I, and I always want to
say to them, you know, what is it that's making you depress?
Let's get to that.
We've got to work on that.
Not just, you know, put this bandaid over it like you said.
And, and I was so encouraged by that to see, you know, someone with a sensitive heart lake
that as a believer in the medical community come in and put herself through deliverance
so that she could understand it so that she would have a place to recommend, you know,
as far as different forms of healing, not just not just a band-aid.
She said, it just grieves me to write a script and send them on their way.
So the same thing is that I realized when I'm writing, these medications are prescribed
scripts for medications and these are really spiritual issue dealt with while sad, depressed.
That's why are you depressed?
And sometimes people need help.
One in the mind battles have right thinking and thoughts lined up with the word of God.
But many times people have tried that and they can't get the victory in prayer.
They're getting counseling and those for us or are all evidence or indicators that a person
could have, could have a demonic stronghold of depression or a spirit of depression at
work in their life.
And that's the bottom line is, you know, there's no, there's no, you know, you could administer
the checklist and you know, come up with CEO.
Yup, Yup.
Definitely.
That's what it is.
But there's evidence isn't indicators that point to it.
And those are some of them that you get, you know, you've tried the medicines and they're
just a band-aid.
I'm your gut counseling.
You had prayer fasting, been to been to seminars, read books and can't get the victory.
Then maybe I shouldn't be open to giving deliverance for depression.
And it, and I think, you know, sometimes we hear from people is around with depression,
but it's other, other, it could be other issues as well.
And I get encouraged when I hear this, some people comes in and they don't know what the
problem is, but they'll say, you know, it's not me, it's just like I'm something in me.
Yeah, I've heard that a lot too.
And they feel it driving them, they don't know what the it is.
Sometimes it's very encouraging to be open to say, look, it's a spirit, a demonic spirit
behind.
That's the it.
It's there and know, let's get rid of that.
And so our process, we ministered to people,
we just don't go for one spirit.
It's, we try to get them prepared and call out and take them through deliverance to get
free from a lot of things.
Which depression can be one of them, Lincoln, they network together so that can try to keep
a person down.
And especially with that list from what we just read from Wikipedia, you can see there's
a lot of things that play into it.
Certainly sickness.
I mean, that's a big, big thing, loss of loss of activity or loss of a job.
Those are all very large things, family member's loss of a spouse.
Um, we see people holding onto the past that come in for that sort of thing.
And so, you know, if it goes on too long, I mean, there's a time for everything.
There's a time for grieving and there's a season for that.
I mean, Moses only had 30 days before we had to cross the crossover writer.
You know, they only had 30 days to grieve, Moses's last before they crossed over.
Um, but I don't know.
This is, uh, this is good.
This is kin Abraham.
Got that one wrong.
Sorry, go ahead.
Um, and I think it's important to have for some contrast here.
You know, we're talking about deliverance and strongholds.
And once again, just to emphasize there's not spirits behind every problem in a person's
life.
And you know, people are going to be depressed and feel depressed in, you know, some of the
mind things can help.
But Gosh, you know, that spirit, if it's there and the only remedy is really getting going
through.
And so we've had people come through who now.
Yeah, that's true.
And, and getting, getting off of their medications, working with their doctors to do that.
And then when, as you said, and it's so important because of the linkage between the body and
the soul, when you get free from the spirits and the Solo, a lot of the physical and um,
so called medical physical issues and healings can come.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
We've had a, we've had some people that have come in.
I know that I'm one of the, one of the ladies came in that she had just grown up.
I'm always depressed, never really.
She grew up over across the waters, um, but always having a weight of happiness and sadness
on her that was not necessarily identifiable, but she had great losses and never seem to
get what you wanted and was treated harshly.
She was treated more like a slave and her family members.
And, um, even when she started to get all of the things that she wanted in life, you
know, after, after she finally found in married the right guy, and then, then she was still
depressed and she came in for ministry and um, but then she found that even after she
had a child and that was the great desire of her life, um, that, that spirit of depression
wanted to come back.
But it was, it was, it was something generational, inner family bloodline.
So that was something that had to be commanded to go because it didn't seem to matter what
state she was in.
Um, she was always in that place of what I want.
I'd never get, even though she was getting it all, it just never seemed to always fall
sort.
There was always something that came in with torment and that was the word she used to
come in to steal her joy.
And it was, it was systematic.
No.
So we can recognize that as a pattern.
Like, you know, that's typically what the enemy will do.
He'll hits.
It's like you're in a play and it, and it's the same.
It's the same play but with different people in different seasons of your life and that's
what it was with her.
And I've also had had a lot of, um, understanding like people that are very self meditative,
you know, like people that are internally deep thinkers, analytical thinkers, a melon
copy, temperaments, they tend, you know, you can get into some self pity and I think honestly,
you know, Henry Wright talks about this, but he says that self pity is the, is the, is
the bond or the glue that bonds you to hell.
And I, and I really think it does because I think that, that self pity when you focus
on yourself and you think so much of yourself and what's what you're not getting or what
you should be having or what you've lost, that's, it's really hard to say, but it's
selfishness and self pity and it's rooted in a spirit of pride because you're focusing
more on yourself than you are anyone else.
And uh, and boy, I tell you what, I'm, that spirit will come right in with depression
if you're really just meditating on yourself an awful lot.
So, you know, I've had people that have come in with that and I prayed for them to break
any spirit of self pity and when I called that spirit of self self pity off of them,
two of them in a row just collapsed right over like a rock, like a thud.
And then, you know, we were able to call out the other spirits that came along and along
with it.
But yeah, that's that self, that self spirit is something else.
Some, some things that I've also seen that are interesting on people that come in that
are from large families or they've got working parents where there's younger siblings.
The first born child seems to get stuck with some of the responsibility for child raising
and you'll see if that starts really early on, like it's a five or six years old.
There's this mothering thing that they take on where they have to mother and that ungodly
responsibility that comes on them, um, early causes them to feel like a failure.
Like they couldn't, you know, they didn't do it right.
And just because the siblings don't usually end up perfect.
If you're being raised by a six year old, that failure thing comes in, that sadness
comes in that they didn't, you know, and then that spirited depression comes in and you'll
see children who have to pick up ungodly mothering at a very early age.
They're depressed as adults.
So if, if you've, you know, because a lot of times what we'll hear in counseling is,
I don't know, I've just had this overwhelming spirit of sadness ever since I was young and
you know, one of my clients even brought me in a picture of her at lake 13 and she was
sitting there with all of her siblings and she looked so sad.
I mean all of them were smiling and she was so sad and she said, see, I was even sad at
13.
And I said, well, you had four siblings that you raised for your mom while she was.
She goes, yeah, I had a parent full time for my mom.
And she said, you, I never
had any fun.
I never got to have any fun when I was little.
And so we knew the route where that spirit of depression came in because she wasn't allowed
to be a child.
So that was a hard one to responsibility.
Sometimes they'll try to self medicate and maybe as an aside because it talks about,
but it seems to be a greater problem generally in this whole issue of postpartum depression.
Oh, that was a big one for me.
Hearing about it a lot.
And I'm not a medical person here, but maybe, maybe some of that's, you know, there's dynamics
to that.
Maybe it is because a woman's chemicals all go sideways.
Yeah.
Hormones all go sideways.
I didn't sleep for four months after either one of my children, but sometimes it might
be a physical thing and getting the hormones back in balance.
And it usually has the most people that go to kind of passes or most women.
But, but in many people that just seems to linger after the ambulance story too.
That's pretty interesting.
I think with, with um, depression.
Um, one of my clients was very, very to April as a small child.
She always remembered yourself being extremely happy and very joyful.
But her mom had said over the pregnancy that she was miserable being pregnant.
She, her pregnancy was miserable and then when this little girl was born and she come
to mom, constantly told the little girl, you're just miserable.
You're miserable little girl.
And the little girl said, I'm just a happy little girl.
And so she said that she remembered she was in like fourth or fifth grade and about that
time she was at school and she was really happy and then all of a sudden it just hit
her.
I shouldn't be happy.
I should be miserable.
And it was at that moment she said she came into agreement with the words that were spoken
over her and she became miserable and depressed and sad.
And so, you know, anytime you do you speak over your children with words like that, you
know, they've gotta be broken because the children eventually will probably come into
agreement with you as an authoritative parent.
Right?
And those words, people will speak it over themselves to hear on my depression, my depression
will take ownership of who they are.
That is not workers.
Your where I am.
That's a you two powerful words.
I am depressed.
I am.
You know, it's no good.
Just comes from proper or improper understanding of the whole the spirit realm and who we are
in the natural realm and our relationship to it in Christ more than conquerors that
Jesus has won the victory over the demonic realm.
One of the reasons he came was to destroy the works of the devil for a demonic stronghold,
deliverance, deliverance, and they'd been in counseling for depression and other issues
for years, but then I get the victory.
So if there's a spirit of depression there than you that you need to get delivered from
that one way or the other competent ministry or some way somehow getting set free from
that spirit of, of, of, of depression.
We can, we can, we can work with people in counseling a whole lot easier after deliverance.
Demonic spirits involved, right?
Well that's it.
And after the limited capacity that we have to be prepared at, the Bible says for when
the spirit of trying to come back to the house because the devils are going to try to return
and it's a matter of the battlefield is the mind.
So being able to do that.
We've pet podcast on that and other topics on that, but the whole room is being able
to discern and resist these spirits, including his spirit of depression when it comes back
to the house.
So that's an important part of the of the of the equation.
Any key takeaways or anything?
Finally you'd like to always provide the deliver.
I think we've kind of unearth to that.
Depression has a lot of feeder lines that come into it.
You know it's a big and a lot of spirits are involved with it.
A lot of things and if you in and you can go through deliverance, then you'll be able
to get that freedom and start to work on a lot of the other life issues that perhaps
they're still very evident in your life.
But God is faithful.
He has given us a way in a way out for the body of Christ.
It is.
And I would, I would just add to that, that it's one thing to get delivered and you get
removed from the spirits and the mind is the battlefields and when the thoughts come, you're
being better able to resist those, take them captive.
And yes, you know, a part that's where counseling you can act on council.
People can need to start, make walking on the path that God has for them and maybe making
him proper boundaries and good decisions, bad things are happening in your life and
you have to the extent you can.
You need to fix those and do those things.
And sometimes just for people moving on a path and knowing they're doing the right things
can help with that process and that's been counseling can help and so, but you're able
to act on the council and when those bowels and do the things that when the demonic tournament
is gone.
And that's why we always encourage the people look at if you've got a battle with this,
you try to, with depression, um, and you haven't gotten the victim Ghosh, considered deliverance.
I mean, finally, good competence, delivering competent deliverance ministry somewhere.
Get some help in the spirit realm.
If you want to contact us, you've got our information there, we'd be happy to work with
you.
Um, but you, the important thing is getting free and let him know that there's hope in
know, it's just not something God's put on you that you can be free.
And that's why Jesus came.
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