This is Deliverance Ministry.FM Video cast number 44.
Welcome to another episode of Deliverance Ministry.fm where we give you proven insights
about the demonic realm, deliverance ministry, and Christian counseling issues so that you
can wage spiritual warfare more effectively.
My Name is Dr Don Ibbitson here.
As always with my colleague and cohost Dr Phyllis Tarbox.
Good to have you here.
And to be here.
We enjoy doing these.
We have a lot of fun.
We a record several leads at one time.
Actually we get the topics together.
We, we have come up with our own and sometimes we've um, we solicit topics people have.
Why'd you do one on this and do one on that.
And, and um, this is one of those topics today, I believe it's in that realm.
We get a lot with a lot of interest on it.
We get asked about it from clients and we felt like, well we need to do kind of an overview
session on this and it's about personality, spirits and use.
And we, and we get asked many times, you hear the term multiple personalities.
That's what people use him and you know, you will hear also split personalities and so
we created this personality, spirits and we're going to talk about and kind of try to stay
in our lane on this one, you know, we have a, we do have a lane and you on how we're
in the, we're going to stay in this lane and, and so, um, and we'll explain what that is,
but a lot of times certainly is in years past, and I want to say decades past, the people
think of personality, spirits.
Are there any personalities they'll, they'll think about multiple personality disorder,
right?
MPD or now it's called by the medical professionals called the Dissociative identity disorder.
DID.
And, and once again that the, the phrase, the multiple personalities just conjures up
all sorts of images of what is that?
And quite frankly, like I think a lot of theology.
Sometimes Christians get it from movies, right?
If they don't get in the Bible and they don't get good teaching, they, they then even above
the demonic realm, they'll get their theology of demons from what they see in movies.
Right?
And so in a lot more times than not, it's Hollywood base is not true and it's not certainly
the whole truth.
And I noticed when we were talking about this before we started part of our generation in
terms of TV and movies from times past that, you know, the two very popular movies that
are familiar with was three faces of eve and civil.
Civil is the one that comes to mind.
Sally field.
That's exactly.
And I know there's some other ones, some, some more modern ones like that split one
that's at the movies now I stay away, I don't know, a lot of them, they have a pretty evil
bent to evil slant and, and you know, but the common theme is the dead people.
They have different personalities that can manifest.
And of course from a movie standpoint, and people say, well, they can't control what
personality is going to come out.
And many times people don't in these movies, once again, they don't necessarily remember,
right, what, right, what, what these personality spirits have done.
So, uh, let me just say at the Gig from the get go here, kind of a, I'd say a disclaimer,
put some boundaries on this.
We're not going to be going down that path.
No, that's not our, that's not our lane.
No, and I can't see over the years that we've had too many people in here that, um, that
have been battling that I know that.
And quite frankly, it's an area even in Christiandom where there's a lot of different approaches
to people.
How do you deal with people with multiple personality spirits?
I'm, it'll get me wrong.
I believe it is a, it's an actual condition.
It is real.
And you know, the medical people have a view.
The psychiatrist have a view.
The secular world has approaches even at Christian can have a various views on.
Once again, we're, we just really not.
The focus of this podcast is not so much, is not so much on there.
Yeah, that's not, that's not what we're talking about when we talk about personality spirits.
I think that's what you do.
Trying to make the distinction of.
Right, right.
Well there's that.
And then there's what we do, what we do, and, and, and so that's where we want to focus
on because we do deal, we call personality spirits and so, and, and give them names.
I mean they, they, they, they're going to be more and more in the realm of, um, like
personality, spirits of.
Yeah, like fear, anger, depression, anything that would be dominating a person's personality,
like a large ruling spirits.
So this isn't about, you know, one day I'm a mass killer and one day I'm a pussycat.
This is, these are personality spirits that have come in to dominate a person's character,
take over.
So where they're constantly afraid or they're constantly depressed or they're constantly
angry and, or bitter.
And those are the things that really paint a picture of who they are.
Right?
Exactly.
And I think that the concept comes from the scripture in mark three slash 27.
It talks about, it said no one can enter a strong man's house without, without first
tying him up.
Then he can plunder the strong man's house.
So if you like, we use the context of the way we approached it, deliverance is there
are ruling, spirits are strong men, strong land of fear and a strong man of heaviness,
man of hardiness, a perverse perversion, different strong man, a strong man rather.
And then underneath those ruling spirits, there are other spirits like under fear could
be worried, anxiety, nervousness, abandonment, all these different things.
But in the realm of a personality spirit, and this is kind of what we want to share,
kind of our, our, our perspective on how we seen this.
Once again, this isn't a deep theological teaching here, we're not teaching theology,
theology.
Demons were just of tee, kind of sharing a lot of the things that we've seen where people
who maybe you say have a lot of fear in their life, they're somehow is like a, you know,
a personality, spirit of fear or afraid of everything.
Yeah, exactly.
And so that personality spirit is there.
Um, and when we say, well, how do you know that?
Because many times we've seen, we call these spirits out, you call out a personality spirit
of fear.
And we'll talk in a moment about something we've seen called little girl or a little
boy, personality, spirits.
Once again, you know, we just want to be clear.
This is just, um, you know, there's a lot of it is just experiential.
This is what you see.
We learn on the fly, we learn on the go or where's that in scripture, where's that?
It's not all in scripture, you know, it's not holy spirit led spirit land or right trial
and error.
And we just do this like, okay, you know, well, we'll put that in, put that in the toolkit.
And, and we've seen enough of these over time where we feel very comfortable talking about
this whole notion of, of, um, of personality.
Of course now spirits,
but too weak.
We deal with, we deal with the stronghold sheet that we work off of.
We have something that we, we stay in order when we don't, we don't put God in a box,
but we list the strong men.
And then as Don said, we have this little spirit set report to those Straw man.
If somebody comes in and just puts one big circle around the entire stronghold of, of
fear, then you know you've got probably a personality spirit of fear that's operating
them because that's the one they're identifying both.
Also like jealousy.
If you get somebody that just circles the whole thing with bitterness, resentment, anger,
blaming, frustration, violence raged and patients, all of that.
Then you know that's got something that's got some teeth, there's something there.
Right?
And to be clear it's not like, and people remember this, it's not like this isn't one
of these personality.
Like I say, these Hollywood types where this is this, this is manifesting in.
They're like, no, they don't remember anything.
It's like, no, no, this is that.
It's not that hard and that's more in the mental illness or we'll touch on the kind
of the schizophrenia and the mental illness side of things in a moment, but these are
more just, yeah, just almost dominating spirits and just have a personality spirit of fear
that almost where I want to say takes them over, but it dominates them in the end.
It just torment Islam and they need to get done to get set free from that.
So, um, think.
So that's the distinction.
And then I can resonate with that.
I mean, I'd be, I'd be very honest to say that I had a personality spirit of fear growing
up.
You know, when you grow up with a lot of lot of insecurity and eggshell type living then
that the enemy wants you, he wants your testimony, so then you begin to cower and you're fearful
of a lot of different things and you don't step out into unknown areas and you get very
limited.
And that personality, spirit of fear is what really takes over your destiny.
And that's, I think where we're heading with this is that type of thing.
Exactly.
Well, let's see.
We touched on some general titles.
That's why don't we go into this talk a little bit above this.
We would call a little girl or little boy, personality, spirits and kind of how, you
know, or the processor, I would say the process, but how we kind of arrived and started moving
down that path in terms of ministry.
Well, I was at a, one of our seminars, it wasn't ours, it was a ministry that were involved
in prior to this.
And uh, you know, I was used to administering straight off the stronghold page because I
hadn't really gotten into too much deliverance ministry and I was praying for a woman that
was probably about 55 years old and she's a very beautiful woman, very well dressed
and you know, and, and all of the sudden I, I heard the Holy Spirit tell me to call out
a little girl spirit of hiding.
And I, and I pretty much backed up and said it's not on the list.
And I really felt that God wanted me to, to go.
I felt that prompting call this out.
So I thought, well, you know, I'm not going to lose anything for trying.
So I sit in the name of Jesus Christ.
I command every little girl spirit of hiding to loose this woman.
Now in Jesus mighty name.
And the minute I did it, her bottom lip came out, she slunked down in her chair.
And, and here's what that thing said.
I don't want to go.
I like it here in and I was startled quite frankly, so I just commanded it to go in the
name of Jesus, manifested in it left.
And she had, she told me later that she had been struggling with that feeling of having
this little girl inside of her that just never let her grow up and always disabled her whenever
she got into any situation and it was gone.
And so it occurred to me that, you know, this was something that perhaps, you know, I would
be able to use again.
And with women, I don't think it's, it's not as if you've had trauma in your childhood
where there has been fear.
Oftentimes you will see if it, if it starts, if you start cowering and fearful when you're
a child, that spirit comes in at an early age.
It kind of stays at that age
because of, typically because of some trauma that they've endured.
And typically it's a, I wasn't using the word typically a lot here, but it's, it's, it's,
um, it's more often than not, it's a, it's kind of an environment that they grow up in.
It's not just a one time right now there are, you know, we talked about traumas and things.
Open door for torment can be one time, but many times it's kind of an environment like
that, that they grow up in this net more typically the case.
And I've seen.
Yeah, and you know, the little girl really, they can cower back into that.
One of the other stories that I really remember is a young woman who came in, and I probably
mentioned it before, but she was, she was in a, in a denominational church where there
wasn't a whole lot of deliverance, but she stepped out in faith to come in for deliverance.
And when we started to pray for her, um, I had explained to her that sometimes they'll
manifest as they'll go.
She was kind of concerned about that because she, again, she was rather unfamiliar with
it, but the way she manifested was quite unusual.
She started snapping her fingers, waving them in front of me and going
like a little girl and it mortified her.
When we called it out, we, we commanded.
I recognized right away it was a little girl spirit, so we called this little girl spirit
of hiding any little girl spirit that came in with fear or trauma.
We commanded it to go and we had to pray through very quite a few strongholds of little girl
spirits because she grew up in a, in a violent household where she would run upstairs to
get away from the screaming and the yelling of her father because he was an alcoholic
and I'm quite violent and she would hide in her room and get dressed up in her dance outfits
and just because she didn't have any other friends, she would just pretend in front of
the mirror and she would dance in, snap her fingers and do little dance routines.
And that's exactly what was manifesting in the office that day.
So we had to call that spirit that shitty.
She hid behind that fantasy.
So we had to call.
She's almost like invited that in, right?
If she didn't, she'd welcomed that.
Yeah, because it was a safe place for her.
Yeah.
So, you know, the long story of that is she goes back to her church and of course they're
all have their raised eyebrows of does this work or doesn't this work?
And they said, we'll put a fleece out, basically we'll watch you during the board meeting and
tell you if you, if you got really delivered from that because you do something in the
board meetings all the time.
She was worked with the youth and uh, if you don't do it, we'll let you know.
It worked.
And she had no idea what she did during the board meetings.
After the meeting, they called her out and said, wow, where did you go?
Because we want to know how you got rid of that.
And she goes, well tell me now what I did.
And they said every board meeting she would just sit there and shrug her shoulders,
go
through the whole meeting.
So she didn't even really recognize she was doing it.
So yeah, that was a good success story on how that, that left.
But she said she really struggled with being an adult.
Just hadn't quite gotten there yet because all the.
And she had more than one, I would say there was quite a few now.
Okay.
Well, and I think as you relate that story, remember this is 40 some years backward.
Ah, a woman who came in who had, um, in marriage and going through marriage issues, family
issues in her previous life, she'd been at what we call an exotic dancer and she wouldn't,
she had been working in these places and would have to go up on the stage and perform and
am in order.
She had to be somebody else.
He had to pretend to be somebody else just to get through it.
And she had a stage name, I can't remember what it was, but when we wrote kind of a basket
and ungodly soul tie between her and that spirit and call the spirit up, there was a
manifestation when that spirit left her.
And it was one of those same sorts of deals, I guess you could say.
It was a personality spirit because she was a dancer.
She had a stage name.
It wasn't a real name and their personality spirit associated with that, with that name.
And so of course she, she'd been out of that for a long time and renounced all land, but
there, that spirit had been a work in our life because she was almost, she had to go
there and that placed in her in her own mind had become somebody else.
So she, you know, get up there and do what she, she needed to do in front of that crowd.
So she had invited in unwittingly, you know, in Hosea four, six, a lot of things we do
are winning, got God's people perish for lack of knowledge.
And I don't know where she was with the Lord at that time, but I'm sure the spirit was
at work there and so that spirit needed to come out.
And when it did, it made a huge difference.
It was a manifestation when that spirit left and, and just made a huge difference in her,
in her marriage, in her life and her going forward.
But that was personality, spirit associated with that name.
And so actors and actresses.
Yeah,
I can say that.
Yeah.
Same thing with the roles he had different.
I've had different people that have played different roles like one, one, one young man
told me he played all these.
He played all these gay characters so that had to be broken in.
He also played.
He played a lot of dark and demonic characters that were evil and as a born again Christian,
he said he never even thought about in the middle of deliverance.
We had to stop back up and go through all of that because it wasn't even included in
his homework, but we had to break all of those.
All of the roles and all of the names that he played in a lot of the different plays
too.
What over to video games.
So there's ministered to young kids where they have a certain name that they're associated
with it.
It's dark, you know, these are cultivating these.
A lot of not, you know, not all video games are evil and wicked, but there are a lot of
wicked and evil video games that have an occultic flare and they invite in these spirits, these
devils with east coast call special powers and, and that person that they become that
person.
That's who they are in their mind and that spirit, the associate that enters into them,
they just take on that identity and you know, it's there.
And so that's um, call out a personality spirit to that needs to, that needs to get dealt
with.
So there are these open doors that that can happen and sometimes they're invited in and
sometimes many times they just, you know, I think it just comes from a person wanting
to be somewhere else or be somebody else or just to escape, like you say, hiding or escaping
and now and then there's a personality spirit associated with that, but that's a demon with
that name that's operating in that person's life.
That's good about the video games that I hadn't really thought about that, but I had, did
have that one little boy that came in and got lost in the video game.
Remember it was almost like the Jumanji game.
He, he, he was so you have little guy like six years old, but he had gotten involved
with, um, one of the newer ones.
And I can't remember the name offhand, but he just kept telling me my, I just can't get
out.
I'm like, my whole life, I just, you know, that's where I'm in.
I'm in there with the box heads and the creepers and you know, some of your parents are already
gathering which one I'm talking about.
But um, he couldn't find his way out of the game.
We had to break him out.
Yup.
So
very dark areas that sometimes people get into and so a minecraft, minecraft and, and
demonic spirits associated with those.
So those, those are generally the areas that we move in most frequently in terms of personality,
spirits.
We've have had some experience dealing with mental illness.
I think a lot of mental illness and what we diagnosed as mental illness conditions or
disorders or centrals are demonic.
And there are.
Because the remedy for that is okay, if they're demonic, you need to call the demons out spits
of schizophrenia.
We've had people delivered set free from schizophrenia, you know, hearing the voices because those
are demons.
And so I and, and different spirits associated with that that need to come out and word curses
and diagnostic word curses and word curses, broken and deliver from the, from the, from
the, from the spirits and yes, and there's an element of walking deliverance out on some
things that need to happen in counseling and healing afterwards.
But this is a whole.
I'm just coming back for a few minutes.
We want to touch on some of our experience with people who have come in here looking
for help and they have been out in the world, in the world of Christian dumb for the most
part and trying to get help.
And um, you know, I'm one person, I'm familiar with the, the approach was that Monday as
well.
If you've got different personalities, spirits, well here's what you need to do and needed
time.
All you need to get integrated, just lead all these spirits to the Lord, get them all
saved.
And then they're all come together and it's like, it doesn't make sense because if they're
demons, spirits can get them saved.
You kick them out.
But we haven't even had an encounter with that, right?
I did, yeah.
I'm just not too long ago I had a counselor who is a Christian counselor but in the field
for a long period of time and she had one young woman that was coming in to see her
and she said that while she was counseling her, she would always recognize that this
certain, um, like little girl would start to manifest in her office.
And when she tried to lead this little girl to the Lord, uh, it pretty much refused and
refused to speak the name of Jesus Christ.
And she said, I can't.
She called me and she said, I, I, I think that she probably needs deliverance because
I kind of think this is a demon.
It, it can't acknowledge Jesus.
I can't save this part of her personality had been able to lead all the other parts
to the Lord.
And I said, well, I said I'm,
I don't understand because if it's a demon it needs to be kicked out.
Not.
And she said, well, I'm beginning to get that revelation.
So anyway, we had a group, we had group meetings on skype with the counselor and her client
because the counselor wanted to know what I was going to walk through with her and at
the end of the sessions she called me and she was so repentant and just, you know, really
almost a little self condemning.
She said, I've just been operating under everything we learned in school all these years.
I've been counseling these little girls and little boys spirits and all of these, all
of these fractured pieces like they're real people and they've been demons all along and
I've just wasted everybody's time.
And I said, well, you know, not be too hard on yourself.
A lot of the, a lot of this is revelation and the Holy Spirit's just bringing it to
you now, but you can't council the demons.
They've got to be kicked out.
They don't need to be sipped it.
See what it's like right on board with me right from the, from the very, from the very
firm going forward.
So, uh, you know, it was interesting to me, but when you have somebody in your own discipline
that has been trying to counsel these spirits for years, I'm like, well, that's not, well,
we don't do it.
I said, you know what, I don't do that.
That's why we spent a lot of time with deliverance upfront in our men's ministry because you
can't counsel demons.
They're kind of unruly,
right?
And that's just indicative of a different approach.
It's one of these areas, like in the realm of personalities or multiple personalities
there are different.
And I'm pleased I'm not trying to throw any of these under the bus would because when
we were first to say we've, you know, we, I guess we do have this view that these are
for the most part demonic spirits.
And sometimes it can, it can get murky and especially when you're talking about trying
to get personality saved.
And so that's our approach there.
But then there's another term that you'll hear and sometimes read in different writings
about, um, that somebody has a fractured soul or we want to work.
We're integrating the soul.
And so that's something that kind of a bit of a confusion for us.
I mean we talk about deliverance of spirits from the soil need people need inner healing.
Okay.
So.
But this whole notion of, of integrating the solar or repairing a fractured soul is not
something we, we, we subscribed to.
And once again I know we've got to get some experience with somebody who's been down that
path.
Yeah.
She spent a lot of time working in this area probably well over 10 years and had had pretty
much gotten most of this discipline underneath her belt.
And she said to me that she worked a lot with these people and what you recognized was her
life had spun out of control.
Now again, not everybody that deals in this area is in a wrong place, but that.
But this particular person had told her that she needed to reintegrate all of these, all
of these personalities and call them all into her.
And you know, they did a prayer where they called all the spirits, all while all of these
fractured pieces back into her.
And she said she literally felt that like.
And from that moment on, she had one tournament after another and I, and I suggested to her,
well, what if they weren't fractured pieces of your soul, but what if at the time you
were dealing with humans and when you called them back in, you called back in demons into
yourself and that's why there's been so much torment
and they were already there and they were just giving them free reign or manifest.
Well, I think they probably invited a few more back in which he handled them in.
Yeah.
So, well, you know, we took her through deliverance and she just told me that she had never had
that kind of.
She hadn't had that kind of intimacy with the Lord or that kind of fruit, um, in the
last 10 years.
So her, her, her success story was a good one.
Well, I think that's it.
I mean, you know, we want to help people.
I know there's lots of ministries and costs.
We want to help people and however you know, we want to help them in our.
I guess our view is, you know, let's take somebody through deliverance, then they might
need healing after that inner healing and then they certainly can benefit from counseling,
but boy, it's, it's just a whole lot easier and more productive to deal with people after
they have, after they have gone through deliverance.
So, um, I hope that's a kind of unhelpful for you in terms of understanding personality,
spirits.
Um, once again, we just try to put our, our take on it, kind of give an overview from
our perspective about personality, spirits and kind of hope that's been hope that's been
helpful for you.
Phyllis, anything you want to add here is,
yeah, I think, uh, you know, at first blush, if you've got anything that's like dominating
your temperament and you know, doesn't line up with who God created you to be, then you
seek out some deliverance help because you know, God wants you free and you know, your
destiny is his plan for you.
So anything that's controlling where, where you know it.
I mean, like when I dealt with a spirit of fear, I knew it.
I mean, that was a strong ruling dynamic in my life.
Everything made me afraid.
If everything makes you angry, everything makes you sad.
Then there, there's, there's, there's, there's something there that's large and looming in
it needs to go and you don't need to.
You don't need to sit with it any longer.
All right, well I think we've pretty much covered all we wanted to get to on this topic.
We hope you've enjoyed it.
It's been a little bit different for us.
It's A. I'm just felt like the interest in the phrase personality spirits conjures up
so many things, right?
At least wanted to try to give you our perspective on that.
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