POLICY REPRESENTS WHICH IS UNDOING A SIGNATURE LEGISLATIVE
ACHIEVEMENT BY HIS PREDECESSOR BARACK OBAMA.
JOINING ME NOW, SENATOR LEE, WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW, SIR.
>> THANK YOU. >> LET ME START WITH THE
PRESIDENT'S DECISION HERE AND THIS IDEA OF NEGOTIATING BACK
IN. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THREE OF
YOUR COLLEAGUES, WHILE THERE WASN'T ANY COME BEING SUPPORTED
BEING IN IT, THREE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES DIDN'T WANT TO GET
OUT. AND I THINK BOB CORKER FROM
TENNESSEE SAID THERE'S NO OBLIGATION THAT COMES FROM THIS
ACCORD. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO DO
ANYTHING. I THINK THEY MAY TAKE A LITTLE
TIME TO ASSESS IF PULLING OUT MAKES SENSE.
NOW WHAT WAS THE URGENCY DOING THIS NOW?
>> IT DOES INVOLVE SENDING TENS OF BILLIONS OF U.S. DOLLARS TO
CRONYIST INTEREST CONTROLS BY THE UNITED NATIONS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T EXACTLY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT
AND IT DOES CONTEMPLATE LONG MATERIAL FRAMEWORK.
THE UNITED STATES WOULD BE SUBJECT TO TARGETS LONG BEFORE
THE OTHER MEMBER NATIONS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THEY WILL.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DID THE RIGHT THING BY
PULLING US OUT OF THIS AGREEMENT TODAY.
AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT SOMETHING YOU SAID.
YOU REFERRED TO THIS AS AN
ACCOMPLISHMENT OF PRESIDENT OBAMA.
PRESIDENT OBAMA NEVER SUBMITTED THIS TO THE SENATE FOR TREATY
RATIFICATION. HE DIDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE HE
KNEW THERE WAS NO CHANCE OF GETTING THE NECESSARY TWO-THIRDS
MAJORITY TO GET IT RATIFIED. SO THIS WASN'T BINDING ANYWAY.
WASN'T BINDING BECAUSE HIT NEVER BEEN RATIFIED AS A TREATY CHIT
NEEDED TO BE UNDER THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.
>> SHOULD THERE BE RULES OF THE ROAD WHEN IT COMES TO EMISSIONS
FOR THE WORLD TO FOLLOW? >> LOOK, THE UNITED STATES IS
THE WORLD LEADER IN CLEANING UP THE ENVIRONMENT.
WE ARE THE WORLD LEADER IN TERMS OF THE RULE OF LAW.
WE'RE NOT PERFECT BUT WE'VE DONE A LOT TO CLEAN UP OUR AIR, OUR
ENVIRONMENT. AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE OTHER
NATIONS LECTURING US ON HOW TO CLEAN UP OUR ENVIRONMENT WHEN
WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF IT.
WE'VE SEEN STATIONARY SOURCES LIKE POWER PLANTS AND MOBILE
SOURCES LIKE AUTOMOBILES, THEY'VE COME DOWN IN SPITE OF
FACT THERE HASN'T BEEN SOMETHING LIKE THE PARIS AGREEMENT IN
PLACE AS A TREATY. IT IS COMING DOWN AS A RESULT OF
INOVER OPERATION IS RESULTS FROM THE FREE MARKET ECONOMY.
>> PINLDS. BUT YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THE BASIC
QUESTION. DO YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE
INTERNATIONAL RULES OF THE ROAD WHEN IT COMES TO THE
ENVIRONMENT? THAT A MINIMUM HERE?
DO YOU THINK THAT SHOULD BE IN PLACE SINCE WE ALL SHARE THE
PLANET. >> SURE.
THERE ARE INTERNATIONAL RULES WHEN IT COMES TO ENVIRONMENTAL
ISSUES. THERE ARE INTERNATIONAL RULES
THAT TAKE THE PLACE OF TREATIES THAT TOOK PLACE IN DECADES PAST.
THE QUESTION ISN'T WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE BUT WHAT THEY SHOULD
BE. THIS PRESENTED A GOOD
OPPORTUNITY FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES DECIDE IT DIDN'T AND IT
NEEDS TO BE PITTSBURGH BEFORE PARIS.
I SUPPORT HIM IN THAT DECISION. I THINK IT WAS THE RIGHT THING.
>> WHY DO YOU THINK SO MANY MEMBERS OF CORPORATE AMERICA
HAVE BEEN SO SUPPORTIVE OF THIS? I'LL HIGHLIGHT WALMART, FOR
INSTANCE, A HUGE EMPLOYER IN UTAH.
>> IT HAS BECOME POLITICALLY FASHIONABLE TO MAKE STATEMENTS
LIKE. THAT I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND
THAT. THE FACT IS THAT WE HAVE A
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT CURRENTLY IMPOESSS $2 TRILLION
IN REGULATORY COMPLIANCE COSTS ON THE ECONOMY EVERY SINGLE
YEAR. NOW CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF,
THIS IS NOT BORNE BY THE CORPORATE FAT CATS WHO RUN
WALMART. THIS IS BORNE OVERWHELMINGLY BY
AMERICA'S POOR AND MIDDLE CLASS WHO PAY FOR THESE REGULATORY
COMPLIANCE COSTS WITH GOODS AND SERVICES, DIMINISHED WAGES AND
UNEMPLOYMENT AND UNDEREMPLOYMENT.
SO THESE LEADERS HAVE EVERY EVE RIGHT TO SPEAK ON A MATTER OF
PUBLIC KERNEL TO SUPPORT THIS APPROACH TO GOVERNING.
BUT THEY ARE NOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ELECTED DONALD TRUMP TO BE THEIR
PRESIDENT AND HE MADE A DECISION TODAY THAT I BELIEVE WAS RIGHT
FOR THEM. >> THE A LOT OF SCIENTISTS OF
SAID, IT IS SOMETHING LIKE 95% AGREEMENT AROUND THE WORLD WHEN
IT COMES TO THIS ISSUE. THE IDEA THAT MAN CAN HELP PULL
BACK THIS WARMING OF THE PLANET. WHEN SHOULD THAT BE TAKEN INTO
ACCOUNT? WHEN SHOULD THAT BALANCE, WHEN
SHOULD THE UNITED STATES BE WORRIED ABOUT THIS AS A GLOBAL
PARTNER? >> FIRST OF ALL, WHENEVER YOU
HAVE PEOPLE COMING UP WITH A FRAME BORING, A REGULATORY
FRAMEWORK, DOMESTIC OR INTERNATIONAL, THEY CAN PROMISE
ONLY A CHANCE OF A FEW HUNDREDTHS OF A PERCENT OF A
REDUCTION IN GLOBAL TEMPERATURE AS A RESULT OF VERY AGGRESSIVE
REGULATORY INTRUSION ON OUR ECONOMY.
ONE THAT COULD HAVE DEVASTATING EFFECTS FOR AMERICA'S POOR AND
MIDDLE CLASS. I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE A CLOSE
LOOK AT AND I NOT BE TOO EAGER TO JUMP HEAD LONG INTO IT AND
SAY YES, LET'S GO. IF THE BEST THEY CAN PROMISE IS
THAT THIS MIGHT REDUCE GLOBAL TEMPERATURES A TINY BIT AND
THEY'RE STILL NOT SURE. I HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS WITH DOING
THAT GIVEN THE CERTAINTY THAT'S WE DO HAVE.
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES WILL BE LOST AND INNOVATION.
THE KIND OF INNOVATION THAT HAS REDUCED EMISSIONS IN THE UNITED
STATES WILL ALSO BE LOST. >> WHY POOH-POOH THE TEMPERATURE
ISSUE? THIS IS A CASE WHERE IT DOESN'T
SOUND LIKE LOT BUT 1 DEGREE IS A LOT.
A HALF A DEGREE IS A A LOT. IT IS HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF
PROGRESS, IF YOU BELIEVE THE SCIENCE COMMUNITY ON THIS ONE.
SO IT'S NOT AS IF A PERCENTAGE OF A DEGREE IS NOT AN
ACCOMPLISHMENT. IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A BIG
ACCOMPLISHMENT. NOT A SMALL ONE.
>> YOU CONTINUE TO SPEAK AS IF THE SCIENCE SXHUT A MONOLITH.
BUT NOT SPEAKS WITH ONE VOICE. .
ON THE LEFT ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT.
SAYING ALL SCIENTISTS AGREE AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE IS AN
IDIOT. THAT ISN'T TRUE AND IT ISN'T
FAIR. WE'VE SEEN LOT OF POLIT POLITIC
MANIPULATION THAT HAS OCCURRED. THE FACT IS SFLS DISAGREEMENT.
>> MANIPULATION. THE JOBS ARGUMENT AGAINST
ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATION HAS BEEN USED FOR YEARS AND IT ISN'T
ALWAYS TRUE. COAL IS NOT GOING AWAY BECAUSE
OF CLIMATE ISSUES. COAL IS GOING AWAY BECAUSE
THERE'S ANOTHER PRIVATE SECTOR INDUSTRY THAT HAS GONE LIKE GANG
BUSTERS. >> FAIR POINT.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER REGULATORY FRAME
WORK? WHY DO WE NEED ENTER INTO AN
AGREEMENT THAT IS VERY FAVORABLE TO OTHER NATIONS AND THEIR
POLITICAL AMBITIONS, AND THEIR POLITICAL WORLD VIEW THAT HAS
SOME POTENTIAL ON FURTHER ERODE AMERICAN JOB OPPORTUNITIES.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE BEEN THE GLOBAL LEADER IN INNOVATION.
WE HAVE LAWS ON THE BOOKS ALREADY ENVIRONMENTALLY THAT ARE
A STANDARD FOR THE DEVELOPED WORLD, AND WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT
BELIEVES IN THE RULE OF LAW. WE ACTUALLY ENFORCE OUR LAWS,
UNLIKE MANY OF THE COUNTRIES IN THIS AGREEMENT.
>> ARE YOU CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL HIT THE GOALS WE'VE AGREED
TO IN THE PARIS AGREEMENT? DO YOU THINK WE'LL HIT THE GOALS
ANYWAY IN. >> I THINK IT IS ENTIRELY
POSSIBLE WE WILL. ENTIRELY OUTSIDE OF THIS
AGREEMENT. THAT'S WHY I STRUGGLE A LITTLE
BIT WITH THIS DOOMSDAY SERIES OF PREDICTIONS WE'VE HAD FROM
PEOPLE SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE STARS FALLING FROM THE
SKIES. DOGS AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER IN
THE STREETS. BOOK OF REVELATION STUFF.
THIS IS UP IN A ESSENTIAL. ABSOLUTE NONSENSE.
>> ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT CHINA MAY BE SEEN AS THE GLOBAL LEADER
WHEN IT COMES TO BRINGING COUNTRIES TOGETHER, MORE SO THAN
THE UNITED STATES?ES? >> CHUCK, THAT'S LAUGHABLE.
THAT IS COMPLETELY LAUGHABLE. I ASSUME YOU ASKED THE QUESTION
IN JEST. THAT CHINA WOULD BECOME THE
GLOBAL LEADER ON ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATION ON, AIR QUALITY IS
RIDICULOUS. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
CERTAINLY NOT AS A RESULT OF THIS BUT IT IS NOT HAPPENING
ANYWAY. >> I ASK MANY QUESTIONS TO MANY
IN JEST BUT ONE THING I DON'T DO IS LET PEOPLE KNOW WHICH
QUESTIONS WERE IN JEST OR NOT. SENATOR MIKE LEE, REPUBLICAN
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