AMERICA'S PLACE IN THE RLD, WHERE WE STAND, AND MORE.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WORLD FIRST.
>> MM-HMM. >> AND THE UNITED STATES.
HOW DO YOU DESCRIBE OR CHARACTERIZE OUR CURRENT
STANDING IN THE WORLD? >> OH, I THINK THAT OUR STANDING
IS HIGH. I THINK THAT THE WORLD
RECOGNIZES THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN AN ENORMOUS
SUCCESS AND THAT FREE POLITICAL SYSTEMS AND FREE ECONOMIC
SYSTEMS ARE SOMETHING THAT WORK AND ADVANTAGE HUMAN BEINGS AND
CREATE OPPORTUNITIES AND NEW PRODUCTS AND INNOVATION.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FROM TIME TO TIME FUSS BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF
FUN TO FUSS AT THE BIG GUY, AND WE HAPPEN TO HAVE A PROMINENT
POSITION IN THE WORLD. BUT WHEN I TRAVEL AROUND THE
WORLD, I FIND THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN THE UNI UNITED ST,
CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IT'S DOING, WHERE IT'S GOING, HOW IT'S DOING
IT. >> SO THEN HOW DO YOU DESCRIBE
WHAT VLADIMIR PUTIN IS DOING OR NOT DOING NOW VIS-A-VIS THE
UNITED STATES? >> WELL, I THINK IT'S KIND OF
LIKE ECONOMICS. IF YOU WANT MORE OF SOMETHING,
YOU REWARD IT. AND IF YOU WANT LESS OF IT, YOU
PENALIZE IT. AND HE HAS SAID THAT THE
GREATEST TRAGEDY OF THE CENTURY WAS THE END OF THE SOVIET UNION.
HE CLEARLY IS INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT HE CAN DO TO
RE-ESTABLISH INFLUENCE IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE WORLD THAT
USED TO BE PART OF THE SOVIET UNION.
AND SO HE TESTS IT CONSTANTLY. >> ARE WE TOUGH ENOUGH ON PUTT
CNN. >> -- PUTIN?
>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT HE NOT BE ENCOURAGED TO THINK HE CAN
MAKE MISCHIEF IN COUNTRIES IN THE CAUCUSES OR IN CENTRAL ASIA
OR IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD, THAT HE SEES THAT THERE'S
DISPROFL -- DISAPPROVAL FOR THAT AND A PENALTY.
>> NORTH KOREA? >> YOU'RE A TOUGH ONE TODAY.
THAT'S A COMPLICATED ONE. >> WELL, WE'VE ACTUALLY TRIED A
LOT OF THINGS IN NORTH KOREA. >> I KNOW IT.
>> WE'VE BEEN NICE TO THEM. WE'VE BEEN MEAN TO THEM.
WE'VE HAD SANCTIONS. WE'VE GIVEN HUMANITARIAN AID.
WE'VE IGNORED THEM. >> YOU'VE BEEN THERE.
>> I'VE BEEN THERE THREE TIMES. >> MY HOPE IS THERE ARE ANOTHER
PEOPLE AROUND HIM WHO WERE WITH HIS FATHER AND MAYBE SOME EVEN
WITH HIS GRANDFATHER, WHO HAVE A PRETTY GOOD LIFE.
THEY'RE GETTING WELL PAID. THEY'RE HAPPY.
THEY PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE CORRUPTION GOING ON, ON THE
SIDE. AND THEY, I WOULD THINK, WOULD
NOT HAVE ANY GREAT INTEREST IN ROCKING THE BOAT, IN DOING
SOMETHING REALLY BIZARRE. I THINK THEY DO WANT TO CONTINUE
TO DEVELOP THEIR BALLISTIC MISSILE CAPABILITY, THEIR
NUCLEAR CAPABILITY, NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
AND GAIN INFLUENCE. AND I THINK THE PROBLEM WE'VE
GOT IS I THINK THE GOVERNMENT CURRENTLY IN SOUTH KOREA, THE
REPUBLIC OF SOUTH KOREA, THE BOTTOM HALF OF THAT PENINSULA,
IS NOT TERRIBLY FRIENDLY, I DON'T THINK, TO THE KINDS OF
POLICY THAT WOULD MAKE LIFE MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE NORTH.
AND WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT EVOLVES.
>> WE'RE ONLY 130 AND SOME CHANGE INTO THIS NEW PRESIDENCY.
YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW'S PRESIDENT TRUMP DOING?
>> WELL, I'VE NEVER MET HIM. LOOKING AT THIS FROM A DISTANCE,
WHAT I SEE IS A SENIOR EXECUTIVE, POLITICAL OR
BUSINESS. FIRST RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PICK
GOOD PEOPLE. AND I LOOK AT WHAT HE'S PICKED.
HE'S GOT A GOOD VICE PRESIDENT. HE MADE A GOOD CHOICE FOR THE
SUPREME COURT. HIS CABINET, I THINK THE
NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM IS EXCELLENT.
GENERAL MATTIS OR SECRETARY MATTIS --
>> YOU KNOW THEM FROM YOUR -- >> A VERY TALENTED, MEASURED,
THOUGHTFUL INDIVIDUAL AND WILL GIVE GOOD ADVICE AND HAS THE
COURAGE OF HIS CONVICTION. AND I LOOK DOWN THE LINE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SECRETARY OF HUD, I SERVED ON THE BOARD OF
KELLOGG WITH, BEN CARSON. THESE ARE, I THINK HIS CABINET
WOULD RANK UP WITH MOST CABINETS THAT I'VE BEEN IN.
>> YOU GET THE SENSE THAT THE TOWN IS PRETTY RATTLED, AND
THERE ARE LOTS OF BIG CHANGES GOING ON.
AND YOU'VE GOT THE PRESIDENT TWEETING, WHICH HAS GOT PEOPLE
PRETTY TURNED UPSIDE DOWN. >> THERE WAS A BIG FUSS ABOUT
HIS VISIT TO NATO. AND AS A FORMER AMBASSADOR TO
NATO, I LOOK AT THAT, AND I SAY TO MYSELF, WHAT DID HE DO
DIFFERENT? HE WAS EXACTLY RIGHT AND SAID
EXACTLY WHAT I USED TO SAY 40 YEARS AGO, THAT OUR ALLIES NEED
TO INVEST MORE IN THEIR NATIONAL SECURITY.
THEY'RE BELOW THE AGREED NATO TARGET OF 2% OF THEIR GROSS
DOMESTIC PRODUCTS GOING TO DEFENSE.
AND I THINK THERE'S MAYBE FIVE OR SIX COUNTRIES THAT ARE ABOVE
2%. AND THEY DO NEED TO STEP UP AND
RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S NOT A BENIGN WORLD.
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