all right hello and good morning everyone we're gonna go ahead and get
started welcome to the webinar lifelong learning for all leveraging the power of
the open web my name is Courtney Brown and I'm the
Southeast Regional Coordinator from the Indiana State library's professional
development office I'll be the host and question moderator today our presenter
this morning is Julia Huprick director of curation strategy at
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turn it over to Julia hello everyone good morning can you hear me okay
loud and clear sounds great excellent thank you and thank you so much for having me
this morning I'm really excited to share with you a project that I've been
working on for the past couple of years and I think it presents a really
interesting opportunity for librarians for trainers for anyone who's interested
in sharing information so and that project is called Cat Cat so we'll get
started here I just want to I'll share with you a picture of myself I am the
vice president of learning initiatives at Intellum which is a company
headquartered in Atlanta we provide elearning and employee engagement
solutions for companies like Google and Facebook and Pinterest and if you've
used a platform called Facebook blueprint for example this is our
product we build learning management solutions we build like a social media
tool we have a gamafication platform as well and so we've really we've been in
this space for about eighteen years and one of the things that we've seen has
been the fact that our clients need content our our clients our
organizations that provide training for their employees and in most cases the
training staff have a hard time keeping up with the amount of content that
is needed to support a full staff wide training program so kind of at the same
time that we were experiencing or helping our clients as they experienced
that problem we also realized that we had an opportunity because we find free
high quality content that enhances our clients training programs we also
realized that the collection of content that we were putting together that we
were compiling would be excellent for the rest of the world right so there's a
ton of really great content online it's one of the things that we believe in we
believe that everyone should have access to all of this free high-quality content
whether it's a TED talk or a blog post or a podcast and so when we're when we
were looking for this content for our clients and in putting that collection
together we realized that we had an opportunity to make it available for the
public and so that's what we did the problem that we saw was that people were
having a hard time finding the content that they needed online they weren't
always going to librarians they weren't always using great search strategies
they weren't always information literate necessarily and so they needed some help
in that in that area and so the platform that we built which again is called cat
cat is kind of our solution to that problem so without further ado I will
unveil Cat Cat and so I know it's it's kind of hard not to go to Cat Cat dot com
right now but I would ask that you just kind of follow along with me and and and
kind of put a pause on your curiosity because I know I would want to just go
ahead and click on Cat Cat and then visit and explore and everything so I'm
going to give you a little demo of the site a little tour
so what we've done on this site is we've compiled courses that are comprised of
content that we found from around the web here's a path that I put together on
understanding and implementing micro learning this is content that we found
from different places from so this one's from eLearning
the e-learning industry magazine here's another piece of content here on from
the e-learning coach and so essentially what these paths are these courses are
collections of these resources that we found from around the web and so I'm
going to close both of those and so learners can go through here and they
can interact with the content they can consume their content and then when
they're done they can mark it as complete one of the great things about
the site is that because it is built on the same platform that we use as our
learning management solution it is essentially a lite LMS and so learners
can use it to track their learning they can see what content they've already
interacted with they can resume where they left off which is really fantastic
and so a lot of the content that we have here is reflective of the needs of our
clients so you'll see across the top there is a
navigation bar so we've organized the content into
different topic areas management and leadership business skills training
development you can see that here again these are mainly reflective of the needs
of our clients but we also hope that they're reflective of the needs of the
public and that's something that I do want to emphasize here
that this is the platform that we've built for the public it's a passion
project it's something that my CEO had a vision for a couple of years ago he
really wanted to provide this platform where anyone could find the information
that they needed to be successful in work and in life and he wasn't sure how
to pull this platform together and so that's when they approached me I was at
the the Georgia Public Library service I was the head of training there and so so
they kind of convinced me to come over and work with them on this project to
help democratize the information that's available online and to help people find
exactly what it is they need so you can browse through here and you can see
different pieces of content this is a podcast for example we're just linking
out to the different pieces of content that are available and I'll show you in
a minute how to build a path using the site one of the things that we believe
in is that people across the world everyone has an expertise in something
and what we hope is that people will use the site to share their
expertise with the world one of the things that we've done is we've reached
out to people who are experts in their field who are influencers professors
authors even some celebrities and we've asked them to contribute some of their
favorite resources so this is a path from Alexa Carlin a nationally renowned
speaker and so you she wrote this path description she shared with us the links
that she thought would be the best ones to help someone be a public speaker and
the idea is that when someone consumes all the content in this path that they
will know more than they did more about public speaking than they did before
they started again our goal here is to help people be better at work and in
life
some of the paths from our celebrities we include links to like their Twitter
site or their their personal website and whatever the case may be so you can
close that and then let's go back to the home page we've featured content from a
lot of different people a lot of different celebrities or influencers we
call them we call them celebrities because we think that they're kind of
elevated at that level each one has a different topic that they've identified
and a different topic that they've built their path around and so whether it's
Kristen Hadid failing well or maybe the basics of b2b marketing strategy again
the idea is that someone could go through this path and and learn a little
bit more from this expert about what it is they're an expert in we put together
quite a bit of content on things like emotional intelligence and communication
and customer service because again that's something that our clients needed
one of the things that we've done is we've integrated this catalog into the
LMS of our clients so that they have access to all of this content without
having to go to cat cat I say all of that to say people can still navigate
through Cat Cat as an individual they can track their learning through my
library they can see what they're currently working on they can take a
look at some things that they've completed so on the screen you can see a
lot of content that I've either viewed or passed for example if I've completed
something and so as far as the learner is concerned I believe that there's a
lot of content here that you can use for not just
your staff but also for your your the public this is a great resource to share
if someone is looking for resources on since I landed on communication how to
be a public speaker or being assertive or managing a global team there are lots
of different resources here over a hundred different paths on all of these
different topics and so the site again is public and freely available so you
can take these links and you can share them on your site you can share them on
your social media platforms some libraries that we've worked with in the
past have included these links on a page of you know perhaps other resources
about a specific topic I feel like I've spoken kind of continuously for the past
two hours so I will go ahead and pause and see if anyone has any questions I
can't see the the chat window Courtney so okay no that's totally fine yeah I
don't see anyone typing okay well one of the things that we were finding is that
consistently across the board our clients were having issues finding
content on the same type of topics so things like hiring someone or employee
like performance reviews conducting job interviews these are topics that really
ran the span of our clients and were kind of universally needed and so again
we thought the public could really benefit from this it's not just people
who are inside an organization that we provide a service to it's it's
essentially everyone anyone in an organization probably has had an
opportunity to interview someone and so having content
like this couldn't really benefit them early on we partnered with some
libraries to put together some paths that were very library specific so
things like conducting a reference interview that was one that was fairly
popular another one was how to go through the library construction process
and I actually partnered with the public library the state agency here in Georgia
to pull together some resources that would help someone who was going through
that process maybe it was understanding design or understanding like the the
procurement process something along those lines and so you can build these
paths in different sections and have something in each section that you're
focused on specifically so this guy chester elton decided to kind of put his
content together and in these sections so why the best team wins they're coached
and encouraged their engaged and connected and so each one kind of focuses on that
with the libraries we wanted content that was focused on staff training
topics but then also on patron training topics and so we also put together some
paths on things like how to start a small business one of the things that I
saw when I was working at the library at the reference desk is that people would
have the same question kind of over and over again and so maybe it was how to
start a small business I would get that question and then I would get it again
and you know maybe six months down the road and I would have to kind of do all
that research all over again the idea with this platform is that you can put
those paths together as a guide for for a patron I almost called them a client
being put them together as a guide for a patron so that they can access us maybe
when the library is closed or you can access it and provide them with this
list of resources that is that's already been pulled together and that you can
you can then share with them and have it as a standalone I've almost like a
libguide I don't want to necessarily use that term I know a lot of people do have
Lib guides this is very similar we've gotten the question before this is very
similar but again a free tool open to the public not just library specific the
paths and I'm referencing that were library specific we ended up taking down
off the site because what we were finding is that they weren't necessarily
the the most in-demand topics they weren't necessarily the topics that
everyone wanted to see and so we did take them down but I say all of that to
let you know that they're still they're actually still on the back end like
they're still they still exist and so if you would like to see any of those
please just shoot me an email and we can also we can reactivate them if we start
to see that enough people are asking those same kind of asking for those same
kinds of resources we can pull those back up a lot of this content also again
could be used for not just staff training but then also patron training
things like how to start a startup if you had someone come in and and and had
a question about that it's great because this resource it's a list of resources
that it's already available I do want to show you how to create your own path and
I think that's really where kind of the power of the site comes in again we
believe that everyone is an expert in something and so the the idea is that
you can share that expertise with the world like that's kind of our our I
don't want to say our purpose but we what's the word I'm looking for it's
something that we feel like we owe to the world to share with other people
the areas that we were an expert in and we hope that other people will feel the
same way so if you wanted to build your own path you could do that really easily
the first thing you have to do is sign in I'm already signed in and you can
create a free account on the site so when you come to the site there will be
a login button here and you can click that and then create your own path
create your own account after that you can come here to this red plus sign and
if you click that you will come to it's just a blank course and you can create
it you can create a course on really anything that you'd like again
our purpose is to help people be better at work and in life and so all of our
content is focused on that specific it's kind of under that lens right and
so but I've seen people create paths on things like we had someone create a path
on GMOs one time which I thought was interesting we had a professor who
curated a path on he used it to share resources with his with his class after
the class was over so he just sent them the link to the path and then they could
read watch and listen all the resources that he had shared with them so if we
wanted to build a path here on say building a reference interview maybe I
would like my staff members to go through this path maybe they need a
little brush up on something related to the reference interview I also use this
for like library assistants who had never been on the desk before and so I'm
just going to type in just some gibberish here so you can give your path
a description which generally would include not just gibberish but also
learning objectives why someone would take the path what they're going to get
out of it generally just kind of your normal like course description kind of
thing you can have different sections here in the path and so maybe we're
going to do what's a reference interview give your
section a description and then the next thing you do is add activities so
activities are links there are always links at least for now although we are
talking about allowing people to do more than just a link maybe write a post for
example kind of like a blog post I found this the steps of the reference
interview I just pulled a couple things really quickly this morning so this
might not be the best resource but so I pulled this resource and I'm going to
click Add and then what the system does is it actually pulls the metadata from
this item and and then in a second it will pre populate some of the content so
it will pop up this title it will on the kind of on the back end it will pop up
the description if there is one and on this one there there wasn't one but if
we go back we can edit that activity and include a description for it so I'm
going to say the reason that I think people should read this article to give
it some context and we think that that's generally a best practice when you're
curating a path like this when you select an item giving someone an idea of
why I can't talk and write at the same time giving someone an idea of why
you've selected that piece of content for them is really beneficial A so that
they don't skip it and B so they have kind of an idea of what to look for as
they're going through so I'm gonna say this article gives a great overview we
can also specify in minutes how long the it would take to consume that content
generally I estimate the number of minutes it takes to read something for a
YouTube video this way pre-populate and so you know maybe it
might say three or four minutes so I'm just going to say three minutes here for
this article you can also specify a difficulty level which I'll show you in
a few minutes how we can kind of use that to select different things you can
also select a cover image and a preview image and you can also add some topics
so you'll see here our topics are fairly limited again we used to have like a
library catalog but for a library topic but we we took that one away it might
come back so right now I'm just gonna say this is I'm gonna say communication
for right now you can also specify the publisher the author and the published
date in the event that that information is available again it's going to pull
whatever is available from the metadata apparently there's not much here to pull
so I'm just going to say Iowa wrote this and you don't have to fill these filled
in all right so I'm going to save that and then I'm going to go back to my path
let's add another activity just to have some another URL to pull I'm gonna pull
this one from the ALA and again this one is the guidelines for behavioral
performance of reference and information service providers so and then let's pull
a video so I went ahead and I found this it's just a reference interview video I
think that a grad school had put together and that URL
alright let's look at the metadata for this one okay so I pulled the title it's got this little description here
that description doesn't wouldn't necessarily make any sense for anyone so
I'm gonna say this video.... I think that's what I said about the last one you can specify
again the duration of minutes which it went ahead and pulled and this beginner
level we have a service called Embedly that will display the activity link what
one thing that we found is that while in Embedly is fantastic at pulling some
additional metadata and actually it renders the page slowly and so we leave
this box unchecked...and I'm going to select communication... I'm going to leave this
author because I think it's hilarious then I click Save... okay so you can see
here we found a couple of items in the path already I'm gonna add a topic and
specify a difficulty level now at this point if I think that my path is done I
can add ...well I would want to add a hero image which is like the big picture at
the top and a cover art which is the picture that displays in the catalog I'm
not going to do that now and then for me I have these admin functions some things
like feature on the discover tab which will display it for our clients which I
don't want to do right now but I'm going to do it anyway so they can see it for
just a hot second... okay I think that looks good... alright and so I'm going to
submit... well right now this button says submit for review our developers are
working on a process that will allow people to just automatically publish
things we think that it's important for people to be able to publish their paths
and then be able to see them share them and be able to kind of get that instant
gratification so if I say submit for review this is what my path is going to
look like you see I didn't upload a header image so it's not very pretty
but you can you can see how it would look for the student and then these are
the links that we uploaded so here's the State Library of Iowa I'm going to
really quickly go back I'm going to edit my path and unpublish it just so that no
one else can see it surely right now Google is like why do I have this path on the
reference interview in my catalog so we don't want that to happen ...again someone
can come through here you can have your staff members read through the content
mark things as complete the videos will autocomplete so if I click on that as
you watch the video you don't need to do anything else
specifically it will just automatically realize that you're done with the video
and then mark it as complete ...and then when you're finished
with that path it will have this Banner at the top that says you passed it on
whatever date so you can go and view it in your history and you can see that you
passed this reference interview class you can also see the content that you've
added in my library which you can get to from that banner that you had seen when
you finish the path or you can get to it from this hamburger menu here so
discover is the home page ...my library is the page that has your history anything
that you've favorited anything that you have completed and anything you've
added another thing that's in this hamburger menu is the about page and so
we've put some information here about what Cat Cat is what our mission is why
we're doing it this page will change in just a few weeks so you might see
something that's a little bit different but essentially this page is just to
help people orient them to kind of what what everyday
online learning looks like right now which we don't think is is right and
then orient them to obviously to Cat Cat... in the future this page will have
information for learners and then information for curators so if you
wanted to be a curator and you wanted to contribute to the site it would have
some specific information and some training for you on how to do that right
now when you click on this plus button there's you know not necessarily a whole
lot that that tells you what to do and where to go it's fairly self-explanatory
but we'd like for it to be a little bit more user friendly that's actually a
good point that I'd like to make as well and that's that this platform has
changed dramatically since we launched it unofficially kind of like a soft
launch back in June and it's already changed so much and we have some really
big changes coming in in the next few weeks one is that people will be able to
publish without having to submit their path for review the some of the other
changes we will implement include the way that people review paths the way
that people not just publish them but also kind of the steps that they go
through in order to publish that path ok I'm gonna stop for questions here
Courtney do we have any I don't have any coming in if anyone has any questions
feel free to go ahead and type those in the chat box now I'm just kind of
curious what kind of topics are covered on those library specific paths that you
mentioned that we're kind of available in the back end... yeah so a couple
of them were here I'm actually I'm going to kind of poke through in the admin view
and some things like the reference interview was one... Oh
how to do library displays was another one that we did so conducting a
reference interview let's see what paths we have library customer service which
was another one that we had like put together for our friends in the
library world who you know we we had all been managers at a library before and so
we all had experienced kind of this need to to train some of our staff on
customer service you know it's not something that I don't know every
library is different but for us for us it was really important that our
libraries were like overly customer friendly and so like we live in the land
of chick-fil-a right where they're known for their customer service where they ...let me go
back and find that path... where people are... it's the south... you know I'm in Atlanta
you expect kind of this like southern charm and so we definitely wanted to put
personify that and make sure that we were giving people the best service that
they could have so and again kind of like over the top not that everyone
isn't like customer service friendly but for us it was just something that was
important sure we had a question so this is an LMS? and you kind of mentioned this,
it's kind of a light LMS can you kind of talk about that a little bit
yeah so I say that it's a light LMS because it does all the same things that
an LMS would do so it tracks learners progress through a course it allows a
learner to start and stop something it'll it allows a learner to you know go
back and see their history that kind of thing what it doesn't allow someone to
do is say hey I have a learner or I have these learner
can you tell me what what they've learned or what they've completed or
what they started that is kind of this... that's what we build for our clients and
so if facebook wanted to know hey what what courses have people completed we
can absolutely tell them that they can run a report to see just see what their
learners have completed Google same thing Google can go through and say you
know what what have people gone through and it gives them those really deep
analytics on this those analytics aren't available because it's not an enterprise
level solution it's designed for the public it's designed for the individual
and so the analytics are at that level so again if I wanted to see what I've
completed that information is available to me but wouldn't be available to
anyone else so that's when I say light that's yeah kind of I mean... okay we have
another question when the review process goes away for content submission will
the content still be vetted somehow yes that is a good question so one of the
things that we're doing is we are getting rid of that submit for review
process so when we get rid of that that submission process one of the things
that we're doing is we're actually working with people that we're calling
topic experts so people who have expertise in in that specific area again
it could be an author a professor but someone who has some credentials and
some experience in the area we're having them review the paths after they're
submitted which is scary for us to think about the fact that anyone can submit
anything but we're having people review these paths after they're submitted and
then identify the ones that are the best and so they'll be able to mark them as
featured or mark them as like kind of reviewed by a by an expert and then
you'll be able to see that information next to the path
maybe it will have like a little badge or a little picture that's like a little
checkmark kind of like Twitter does with their verified profiles that would be
like a verified path... we have another question here
have you noticed heavier usage on mobile or desktop ...so right now we it's
optimized for desktop our ....we tend to design mobile first and any of our other
platforms are really fantastic on on mobile
Cat Cat because of the nature of what it is it works on mobile but if you can
imagine um you you're you're looking at Cat Cat and then you click on this and
then it takes you to this page and then it opens up a new tab and then you read
that article or like listen to that listen to that podcast and then you've
got to close it and then it goes back to that page it's not necessarily the best
mobile experience and we say that knowing that we need to do some work in
that area some of our clients are essentially
mobile only Waffle House actually it's a great example of that they have people
who are out in the field and the only time they can learn is when they're on
the job but they're on their feet they're in the restaurant they don't
have a computer in front of them and so learning mobily is the only way
that they can do it and so we see really high mobile usage from them I think that
we would see high mobile usage from Cat Cat if like once if it were optimized for
that experience... we have another question do you have any advice on maintaining
the content ...so one of the things that we do is we contract with a service that
provides us information about dead links so that's something that's really
important for us we also have a feature where you can report maybe you can flag
something that says okay you know what contains broken links or you
the content is incorrect we review these flags so we're relying on the community
to tell us if the content is old or if the content is no good and so we do go
and review those we also look a lot of people will add stars or leave reviews
for specific links and so that will show us that that will give us an indicator
that's a signal for us that something is something is amiss the other thing that
we do is we we we regularly go through I wish that there was another way to do
this but we regularly manually go through each path and we'll identify
resources that maybe are out-of-date or could be better I I just found some
articles that I added to a path that I had curated maybe a year ago and these
were really good articles that I just like I hadn't found when I was doing the
original curation and so I just I can go in and you can do this as well you can
just visit your path that you'd like to change and then edit edit that path and
then it will bring up all of these different options for you so you can you
can edit that path if you'd like but yeah that's a really great question and
I wish that there was a way to do it where it wasn't manual ...ok we have one
more here any thoughts on converting cat cat into an app... yeah so because this is
our passion project there are so many things that we want to do but it's not
bringing in any money so it's hard to justify spending a lot of development
time on doing things like building an app like we really want to build an app
we really want it to be mobile friendly unfortunately we have it even though we
have an entire team of people who are dedicated to building apps and to making
sites mobile-friendly they're focused on things like you know like like blueprint
or like Academy for ads and so there are apps for both of those and
if we... if they have some spare time hopefully they can build one for Cat Cat
that's another I think ... I think that's another
important point as well is that because this is our passion project it there are
some features and functions that we would love to have and we just it just
hasn't happened yet because because of the fact that it's something that we we
get designated development time kind of towards the end of the quarter when
they're wrapping when our developers are wrapping up some other things that that
they had that they needed to do and then they've got some time to work on the
things that things that they want to do and so there are so many different
features and functions that we would like to see and most of them have come
from either our own use of the platform or from people who we've reached out to
who have used the platform and we've you know just ask them like what what would
you like to see that kind of user feedback has been really valuable for us
and so if you do see something that you think would would be better we would
definitely love to have that information and and be able to kind of put that on
our roadmap I say roadmap with ...like it's not it's... less of a... it's more of a wish
list then a roadmap but let's see what other questions do you have
we have another one coming in... what about copyright issues can we link anything we
find on the Internet to a path... yeah that is another really great question um
there are no copyright issues because you're linking out we're not storing
anything on our site we're not embedding anything we are
linking to the... so like the resource itself and because we're linking to ...to
that resource again we don't have to worry about copyright issues we if
anything people should be happy that we're driving traffic to their site and
they should be happy that we're featuring their site
in a way that is reaching millions of people so so far we haven't we haven't
had anyone complain but I don't think that they would again because it's
something that's it's good for them... and it looks like that's it for questions
okay well I thought I would take a few minutes and just talk to you a little
bit about kind of how I put paths together and we've had a few more
minutes left and so I wanted to share with you a process that I use and I call
it the Adcie model if you are like me have an instructional design geek you
might know the Addie model so the Addie model is this iterative process that you
use to build a course so analyze design develop implement and evaluate and so I
took out the development step for that and added in this curate step in order
to build a course that that is based off of curated content and so when we look
at the curation process it's something that I think it's something that we do
as librarians as library staff on a regular basis
we do it kind of without necessarily without explaining how we do it or
there's a certain set of skills that we have as library staff that other people
in say corporate America don't have so that we've that we've just developed
over the years right so we are able to pull together resources we're able to
evaluate those resources in a way that that that makes that makes sense we're
able to look at things like the authority of a piece of content the
validity the current data coverage so all of these different characteristics
of a piece of content these are things that I look at when I am looking for
content to add to the system and it's it's just like building a
collection out of weblinks you're pulling them together you're evaluating
them you're organizing them in a way that makes sense I like to say that
we're building a cohesive instructional narrative we are putting the content
together in a sequence that makes sense for the learner and so you know we want
to include introductory content at the beginning we want to include more
intermediate stuff in the middle more advanced stuff at the end we want to
make sure that different topics are explained earlier on say if something is
mentioned in a later article do we have something earlier that explains what
that is and so when I say cohesive instructional narrative that's kind of
what I mean like does it tell that story and so we want to organize it in that
way I want to go back to Cat Cat really quickly and just mention let's see-oh
mention that you can go to all topics and so you can actually browse
everything that we have curated so far and so far this is all content that has
been you know community developed or comes from our celebrities or that comes
from our our own stuff so it's all stuff that's been vetted it's
all stuff that's been evaluated I think that our developers will be able to
release their the new like workflow for for curation so that you'll be able to
submit something without review I think that they'll be able to do that either
this week or next week and we have releases on Thursdays so that's when the
site will change and so again you might see some changes tomorrow or next week
if you visit the site and you start to curate you might see that you don't have
to submit for review that button will actually say publish ... I do want to
just answer any other questions that you guys have about the site about our
purpose about why we're doing this if you have any questions go ahead and type
those in the chat box I'm not seeing anything come in now while we do that
and as we're wrapping up I'm gonna go ahead and put up your Leu link on the
page here if you have any questions that require Julia to go through some things
on online I'll switch back but I want to make sure everybody gets their LEU...there
are at the top you can go ahead and download the LEU and then there's also a
web link to a survey monkey there about in the middle of the page if you
could please fill that out let us know how we're doing and then there at the
bottom is Julia's contact information if you have any questions maybe you think
about after the presentation feel free to get with her Julia and I will stay
here in the presentation or in the Adobe Connect room in case any questions come
up for a few more minutes here otherwise make sure you do get your LEU and
fill out that survey for us
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