I'm Tom Ray from the band Lorenzo's Music and this is the Lorenzo's Music
Podcast
this is a show about meeting musicians and creators and talking to them about
what they do I wanted to talk to people that have signed up to our mailing list
or people that have used our music for their own projects or just people who
I've heard about on the internet doing interesting things things that I wanted
to know more about one of those people that I'm talking to today makes videos
and music I am Jacob Woodward my day job is that I am a studio tech at a TV
studio the main thing I do on the side is YouTube videos Jake is one of the
people that contacted me from our email list now he heard about the band in the
first place is kind of a funny story I'm a really big fan of
like the 80s and 90s animated Garfield TV show and I know you're gonna say do
you know that the voice actor for Garfield was Lorenzo music yes and so I
think I had read and heard that he also had his own music that he made so I
wanted to try to find it I found your band that okay that's a new one and the
song that I found was I think it's called we all get down all fall down
yeah all that said yeah all fell down and at first I thought it was convincing
because it just started with a bass line and and then I started to hear more and
more about just like Lorenzo music but I really like this
my YouTube channel isn't around per I want to say over a decade now I want to
say maybe 11 years I think I got started basically just because I saw people
making stuff on there and I thought that would be fun yeah I already interest in
in media and especially digital media just in kind of and it's also just a
really good creative outlet because I mean I'm sure at this point
anybody who has internet access has seen either a really funny YouTube video or
an extremely creative YouTube video right that can you know for certain
people that can spark something in them to want to emulate that and then
eventually find their own style this year so far of 2018 I've been doing sort
of a project where I tried to really stick to making one YouTube video every
month because my my upload schedule for a long time has been very inconsistent
sometimes I could drop two videos in a month and then not put something out for
half a year that definitely happened just last year a couple years ago I made
a New Year's resolution to do it every month but I'm finally getting to it this
year yet New Year's resolutions there's such horrible they're great and horrible
things all at the same time cuz it always is like because then you feel
awful if you don't do it yeah exactly but it's been it's been a really cool
project because it is I don't necessarily want to say forcing but it
is making me think creatively more often and like really get into the writing and
the voiceover the recording the editing and making sure I'm staying consistent
with it and trying to learn how to do things in a new and fun and interesting
way that was one of the big reasons that I did the album review because I've for
a long long time I've wanted to do album reviews in some way but the biggest
hurdle that I had to overcome was how do I talk about something that is purely
audio put it on YouTube and make it visually engaging and so I think with
the the video that I made which if the listeners want to check it out it's a
it's video called Del Rio review it's for a artist named Armand Jay I got
excited because he tweeted me back after watch the video and he really yeah he
thanked me for making it and then for me digging deep into it that's really cool
waters his twitch to he'll stream just live jam sessions of him going to Tanana
on all hits all of his since oh wow he's a sense based musician who makes I
don't know how he does he makes weekly covers of video video game music or nerd
geek culture music really just general covers and he does a weekly Bedi the
videos or edited really well that you know this person from the internet are
you actually know them personally I know them personally now but we he and I
first met through YouTube he sent me a message after looking at one of my
covers and he had said that he had always for for his covers he had always
wanted live acoustic drums instead of I mean he he does he does like synth
percussion a lot of time but sometimes he'll call me in to record drums for him
what do you mean by synth percussion like using like a tempest drum pad or
stuff like that it's not played with a keyboard you're just saying it's like a
MIDI controlled drum sound or yeah that one is it's got little different pads
that you can program different sounds to and you tap it and it makes different
sounds okay a bunch of keyboards too yeah yeah okay so he's really cool
because he's he's not just Santha electronica he he's what we could just
we can call it here now we can mix it and call it folk electronica because he
also plays guitar he plays saxophone I don't know if I've heard of folk
electronica that's a new one to me okay he's a really cool like
multi-instrumentalist and I admire him at a lot of really cool instrumental
musical ways and he just reached out to you or how did you guys actually connect
yeah he just reached out to me through a message on YouTube he said hey do you
want to collaborate sometime and I always want to collaborate musically and
I don't get to do it enough yet still we grew a friendship out of collaborating
and I met him a few times in real life because he lives on the other side of
the nation you know oh I love that I love everything about
that so how do you guys actually collaborate now that's the biggest thing
I've met musicians there are tons of musicians I've met that like I'll never
be in the same room with but the actual collaboration like I'd love to work with
them and pass in files back and forth and how you're gonna do it like how did
you guys decide to handle the collaboration you did
so usually how it happens is he'll get a scratch track ready and you'll he'll
usually include in that scratch track he'll use his tempest drum pads who like
make a basic beats to till I kind of give me an idea of what he's looking for
I'll listen to the scratch track like over and over and over and then I'll
listen to it while I'm playing on drums to try to get something fleshed out and
then eventually once I really have something I'll record it and I said damn
what digital workstation are you using for the recording I use a zoom
multitrack r16 is a standalone do you really we just discovered oh my I'm
sorry I didn't mean to do that jump back look right there no literally just had a
conversation about that thing like three days ago with the guys in my pant that
is awesome okay tell me about this thing tell me how you use that because that's
fascinating because we're sitting there going like is this something we should
give a try
it's multiple inputs for XLR and four just lying in as well it's in the same
input area you record everything to an SD card that you just put into the side
you've got game controls for everything I think you have panning controls as
well okay it's it's an interesting thing when you have to like mix your own drums
live because like usually what I'll do is I'll do a little test recording and
I'll listen to each key component and be like okay this needs to be turned up a
little bit this needs to be turned down a little bit and then once I generally
have the sound that I want whether it's a general case or whether it's specific
for the song then I'll just let it roll I'll start I'll record and I'll just
start playing and usually I'll record a few different takes where especially for
the drum covers on my channel the way I do that is I usually record between
three and four takes at the same time but I'm also recording
video angles because I record I do I do a playthrough of the song three to four
times and I'm very tired afterward I was curious about that on your drumming
videos I didn't know if you just had the cameras set up and you had them all run
at the same time you edited them later or you actually are saying you moved the
stuff around and then do another tape oh yeah that's right because cameras are
freaking expensive you can't just be buying cameras so you can do a drum
video but yeah zoom multitrack r16 it is a godsend okay how much all right I mean
it's just so convenient that it records to an SD card and you pop it into your
laptop of your computer you put the files on there and then you can just mix
them and edit them in any way you want and the files are separated by channel
yes okay you don't even understand how much we were like going is this a good
idea should we get one what prompted you to get it my friend who was a guitarist
had one before I got one and I I loved it being able to use it because he would
let me borrow it sometimes to record drums and stuff like that and so once I
saved up enough money I was able to get one of my own it's just been awesome
ever since that's so cool I can't believe that you're I can't believe the
coincidence of that that's so funny oh my god
so what do you think about the concept of using music and videos as a musician
and a person that does videos what's your standpoint on should we or should
we not be able to use music and videos I tend to be a person who tries to listen
to both sides of an argument and then try to find something in the middle
ground that I feel is true so I totally understand why artists would not want
their video their music just used in random videos because it might not
reflect what the song is trying to say they might have a certain artistic
expression that they don't want associated with something like like I
don't think like Dream Theater would want one of their songs just in some
seven-year-old kids minecraft video and why not though I mean I think that would
be very cool they actually see Dream Theater in one of those so I mean like I
understand and I sympathize with artists who want to keep the pristine cleanness
of a song into just audio and then like maybe trying to work out something where
where somebody can use it in an appropriate sense but I also believe in
transformative work and I think even some of the silliest stuff that's on
YouTube that like will take a song and edit it into a crazy new fun way that's
that's transformative to me and I think you essentially get a new piece of art
with that and so with in so with the whole thing with using music in videos
on YouTube unfortunately there's a lot of landmines that come with that because
of copyright stuff and yeah the way that YouTube handles copyright stuff which if
you've heard anything about how they do it it's not good you know I've had to
deal with it quite a bit and and also like I said before releasing stuff under
Creative Commons it doesn't make it a lot easier in the sense that other
people because your stuff is under Creative Commons will then go around and
claim that it's theirs so like I actually yeah isn't that like I
literally had to do a claim ID with you know where it would do the fingerprint
and tell people like hey you using this song because there was a some company in
Korea that was going around like when you owe us this amount of money for
using this song and it's like that's not their song and so I had to do the
Content ID and then as people came to me and said I
thought this was free I'd go well here I will whitelist you I have that ability
but most people won't check with you they'll just use the song the argument
is well is I mean people could also buy the copyright for it and you have no
control over what they use it in I mean I doubt that the pretenders really
wanted that whatever that song about Ohio that they wrote to be the theme for
the Rush Limbaugh Show for the past 20 years but he just paid for the rights to
it and now he uses it and it's his themes on so it can't happen either way
like what Creative Commons you can at least go you have to share it under the
same license so if somebody like that did it then you could also go oh good
it's under the same license so now I can do a remix of what you made and put my
own spin on it so there's there's stuff like that but no yet the entire thing is
a land mine I was just curious what you thought of the concept altogether to go
off what you were saying earlier actually I have a drum cover where I did
the song aquatic ambience which is a song from Donkey Kong Country the video
got acclaim I mean the video didn't like get a strike or anything but I got
acclaim from some I don't know what group it was with some groups that was
claiming that aquatic ambience was their song I was like no that's the property
of Nintendo my friend yeah but I'm a really small channel I have like no
power and I don't want to dispute anything in a Moy I'm not getting any
money from this anyway so whatever I have used music from there's a band that
it's one of my favorite bands called falling up I've used some of their music
especially some of their instrumental stuff in some videos there's a remixer
on YouTube that I love called little Tommy J I use and I since I support him
on patreon I have access to his instrumental work his instrumentals of
each song that he remixes as well and I often use that music in my videos as
just background music that I think fits what everybody I'm doing I try I try not
to use straight up like copyrighted music too much one thing that has caused
me to sort of get a little bit more lean on that is YouTube's fairly recent
change and how the partner program works via partner but since I don't have
enough views and subscribers I was taken away from it which again I wasn't making
any money so no skin off my back and I actually feel kind of more free now
because I'm just like okay I can kind of just do whatever I want now and not feel
pressured to to like fit a certain trend you don't
have to worry about like Oh as Big Brother YouTube's gonna take away my leg
for this because I did someone bad you can just be like you don't know me
anymore I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get my $10 check at the end of the year and
and also you said you supported somebody on patreon I've actually so I know
people who use patreon but I think you're the first person I've met that
actually supports someone on patreon that's something I've always wanted to
ask what made you finally decide to go yeah I want to support this person so
actually the very first person I supported on patreon was my friend ace
because he's a really dear friend of mine and I I want to support him in any
way I can whether it's through drumming or whether it's financially through
patreon so he was the very first person I supported because he's a friend of
mine and then I started branching out towards either other friends or people
especially people just on YouTube that I respect creatively a lot like little
Tommy J I don't personally know him but I have had a few interactions with him
on Twitter and through an email I will admit sometimes I do support a content
creator just because of the fact that they give a really good reward and
they're in there tearless I also do it just to support friends and because of
the fact that I can what am i one of my things I want to do especially hopefully
through my YouTube videos is I want to be able to encourage and help people in
any sort of way that I can whether it's you know just cheering them up for a
minute or with friends if I can help them emotionally financially things like
that if I can help somebody then that makes me happy
I want to ask you what's the name of that actor that's on your wall I've been
looking at that the whole time and I forget his name I've wanted to say Gary
Sinise that's it okay so that's been fun to see that the background this whole
stuff that's the reason that there is because I'm actually I'm working with a
local crew of friends for a documentary for a local veteran and through through
the veterans outreach and some of the stuff he's done well he's signing with a
representative of a Veterans Association that Gary Sinise I think he started it
or at least he's a very big proponent of it and so all of us on the crew got
signed pictures with nice messages on the pictures like saying thank you for
your work on this documentary Wow is it something you're working on currently or
you finished it it's something I'm working on currently how did you get
involved in that so it was a friend of mine who I went to film school with who
he knew this guy who was going to a local trade college around here threw
another party and this veteran had he'd always wanted to have his story told he
had written a book before but basically his story is that he was in the army he
had a very bad accident and threw through a combination of some really
good treatment and most importantly the service dogs in his life he was able to
turn around and become a much more positive person pretty much get a lot of
his life back and advocate for veterans and for service animals and things like
that and so we're trying to tell his story and show just the really heartfelt
beauty of the relationship between like man and dog yeah especially in such a
specific case of service dogs but I'm really happy that I you asked about
thanking that Gary Sinise picture otherwise I don't know if I would have
known that
I really appreciate bands and artists who give out their music either
royalty-free or Creative Commons because I think it's especially the Creative
Commons I think I think it's just just in any case it's so important to credit
the creator's so that one you don't have a million people in the common saying
what's the song where is it from like here it is look it up yourself I get
that but more importantly people who make any art and especially any really
great art deserve the credit of at least you know having their name no even for
that brief fifteen seconds or a minute or whatever I think it's really great
when artists are able to put their stuff out there royalty-free or Creative
Commons to be able to help other artists and sort of crowdsourcing crowdfund
this bigger thing that they can be a part of I thought it was really cool
that you just wanted to make a podcast talking to just general you know
musicians and artists and creators and stuff like that as what I saw was like
get a discussion going about what drives people what's their passionate and what
do they like to do and just what kind of people are these people
if you'd like to check out Jake's videos just search YouTube for rock the jig and
don't forget to subscribe to this show at Lorenzo's musicom where you can
download all of our music and use it for free on the next episode I'll be talking
to someone who is part of a new music app that actually started right here in
my city of Madison Wisconsin thanks for listening and I'll talk to you later
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