Hi! How are you? -Hi. I'm good. How are you?
-Good. This is very exciting to be able to talk to you.
You've been here twice to perform.
-Yeah. -You've performed at "SNL."
You've won a Grammy. You were 22 years old.
-Yes.
-So, this is very incredible accomplishments
for how young you are.
But I wanted to ask, what was your first gig like?
What was that scene?
-Well, my first gig that I did, like, with my own songs
was in -- It was here in New York.
It was at a place called the Bowery Electric.
-Uh-huh. [ Cheers and applause ]
-You've heard of it? Yeah. So, I went.
I was, like, super-excited.
I got all dressed up, like, curled my hair,
thought I was, like -- It was going to be great.
And then two people showed up.
Literally two people.
So my dad was, like, trying to comfort me.
He was like, "It's okay.
We'll push it back like, you know, an hour.
Maybe, like, people are just filing in."
And nobody came, so I performed for two people.
But then the next show after that was a little bit better.
I played, like, my songs that I actually released,
like "Here" and "Scars to Your Beautiful,"
before they were released, and I made 30 bucks.
-Wow!
-Yeah. [ Cheers and applause ]
They thought I was busking, but, I was like, "Thanks."
-So, that's kind of the peak then.
-That was the peak. I was like, "I have made it.
This is sick." It was awesome, yeah.
-You're from Toronto. -Yes.
-And you go home and you write songs at home.
-Yeah.
-And so you are in your parents's house.
And I met your mother backstage. She's lovely.
Is it strange -- Do your parents treat you
like a Grammy Award-winning musician
or are you just their daughter upstairs, writing music?
-I'm their daughter upstairs, writing music.
Of course, yeah.
I'm from, like, a really weird, like, Italian family,
so I feel like that rule doesn't apply.
Like, it's just -- I'm the daughter
that's being too loud upstairs, writing music, yeah.
-Nothing has changed for you.
-Nothing has changed, but I like that.
-Yeah, of course. -It's good.
-And you're very honest in your music.
You talk about things like emotional insecurities.
And I think that helps you connect with your fans.
But you were not honest about making your first album.
You were at school, working on this album,
and you did not tell anyone at school.
-No, I didn't.
I didn't 'cause I felt like it was weird to just, you know,
tell people like, "Yeah, I'm writing an album."
But I -- Yeah, I don't know. -Yes. I want to be clear.
Any one of my high-school friends -- if they told me that,
I would be like, "Okay."
-Yeah, you know, everyone wants to be a musician.
You know, so I just felt like they just didn't care,
so I just would lie a lot and just tell, like,
the teachers and the students that I was, like --
had a doctor's appointment or -- But I kept running out of
excuses, eventually, 'cause they're --
And then I just looked like -- I was, like, a shady person
just leaving school for, like -- or a very sick person,
just always at the doctor.
-Well, that must -- When the album came out,
they must have all been so relieved
you weren't going to die from whatever illness.
-Yes. But then, also, I guess,
a bit betrayed that I lied the whole time.
I think it was for a good cause. A good cause, yeah.
-It was for a good cause. -Yes.
-Well, this is actually interesting,
speaking of a good cause.
The song you are going to do tonight
has an interesting back story.
This was inspired by a friend, yeah?
-It was.
Yeah, it was inspired by a friend's breakup.
I know that sounds like a lie. Like, "It's about a friend."
It really is about a friend this time.
It's the only song I wrote that was, like,
not for me or not about me.
And, I mean, yeah, my friend was going through a breakup
and basically asked me to help, like, write a song
to help him, like, express himself to his girlfriend.
-Oh, wow. -Yeah.
And they were -- You know, they were breaking up.
It was over.
And he played her the song once it was done,
and now they're back together.
-Wow! [ Cheers and applause ]
-I'm not saying it was me. -Yeah.
-But I'm saying it was me.
-Do you hold that over him now in your friendship?
-100%. Yeah, 100%.
I'm always like, "Well, I did write that song for you
And I did save your whole relationship, so --
-Well, you could also say like, "You know, I write more songs.
I could write another, follow-up song
and just to derail this whole thing for you."
-And ruin it. Exactly. It's in my hands now.
-You got some heat on Twitter
for one of your songs on the new album for ruining Christmas.
Do you want to explain real quick?
-So, no, okay,
I didn't think this was going to catch on the way it did.
I should have realized. Okay.
In one of my songs, "All We Know,"
the first line, of course, too, is --
For any children watching this, any parents with children,
just turn this off.
-Yeah, they shouldn't watching. It's too late. Yeah.
-They shouldn't be up this late.
Anyway, that's your faults, not mine.
I'm just kidding.
I say, "St. Nick don't exist anymore."
So I basically spoiled the fact that Santa Claus isn't real.
But I tried to do it in a subtle way.
I said "St. Nick," 'cause not a lot of kids
think of Santa Claus as St. Nick.
But, apparently, all my fans were very upset
that I ruined Christmas for a lot of people.
-If you're old enough to know Santa is also St. Nick,
you should know he's not real.
-You should know he's not real. Thank you. Exactly.
-But you did, on Twitter, admit that you forgot to say
to all parents, "There's a spoiler on Track 7."
-Yes. Spoiler.
-You are -- That's like using "spoiler" in a very specific --
That's, like, the way it's meant to be used.
-Exactly. Spoiler alert, everybody.
-You are -- And I noticed this the very first time
you were on the show, which, I guess,
is like almost 3 or 4 years ago now when you were here.
-Yeah.
-But you are very honest in your lyrics.
Have you been encouraged by how much that's meant to your fans
because you talk about your actual emotions,
as opposed to projecting things that aren't true about you?
-Yeah, 100%.
I mean, yeah, it's helped not only me,
because it makes me feel
comfortable with expressing myself,
but, thankfully, it's helped a lot of people, too.
Like, I've had people come out to me for the first time,
you know, before they've come out to anybody,
and, like, just things like that,
just admitting, like, who they are and feeling comfortable
enough to tell me these things
through my music is really awesome.
So I'm glad that I'm being honest.
I'm glad things happened to me so that I could, you know,
write about them, because now it's helping people, too.
-Well, that's wonderful.
And I'm so happy you're going to sing for us tonight.
Thank you so much for being here.
-Thank you. I appreciate it.
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