This is Deliverance Ministry.FM videocast episode 7. Welcome to
another episode of Deliverance Ministry.FM where we give you proven
insights about the demonic realm and deliverance ministry so you can wage
spiritual warfare more effectively this Dr Don ibbitson and I'm here once again
with my co-host and colleague Dr. Phyllis Tarbox hello Phyllis how are you
today I'm good I like this topic we're gonna talk today about the really given
overview of a demonic realm how do demons operate in the earthly realm and
for us as believers to why is it's important to know our enemy before I get
into that I just want to encourage you to stay tuned till the very end of this
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I have been involved in deliverance ministry spiritual warfare for a long
time and one of the things that I'm amazed at quite frankly is how a little
understanding that people have and I'm talking churchgoers Christians believers
how little understanding people have of the demonic realm how did we get into
that situation I believe that Satan does not want us to know about this stuff Don
I mean like we've talked about it before I got used to wake up at five when I was
five years old and walked to church on Pentecost Street and I've been in church
my whole life and never heard anything about spiritual warfare churches didn't
teach it and you know it started right to sing her and me quite frankly to want
to be able to get this word out and you know I'm sure that's God's purpose for
my life but nonetheless I didn't hear about it it didn't get taught in
churches a lot of churches don't want to scare people they don't want to bring it
up they don't want to stir the Devils up and so it just doesn't get taught and I
think it's so sad I've heard somebody say I would give them credit for
if I could remember who'd say one of the two big deceptions that Satan has been
able to work on the world is number one when people even believers don't believe
he exists right and the second thing is he said well he's defeated Jesus beat
him on the cross so you don't need to worry about the yeah hear that all the
time you hear that too and we're gonna we're gonna address those things because
because of that you know people are getting taken out Hosea 4:6 very
scripture of Jesus God talks about an Old Testament scripture but still true
today he says my people that is God's people yes the church perish for lack of
knowledge and and I agree it's it's it gets anger you righteous anger if we
could say that is the right word it's just so sad people come in with so
little understanding of the demonic realm because they haven't been taught
right and they don't want to scare people people many time you go to church
they want to hear a good message and cause they'll get many Grace and I get
that and that is the good news the reality is and even as I say it I
recognize many people will will disagree with the concept of even talking much
about the demonic realm they say that that we don't need to do that why should
we focus on the demonic realm let's just focus on Jesus because he's defeated the
enemy war is over what do you what do you respond well personally I like to
focus on Jesus you know I don't want to focus and meditate on the demonic realm
either but you know when you when you talk about Jesus he did not ignore the
devil or his schemes I mean he was quite concerned about his children dying like
you said for lack of knowledge and you know as we look at it one-third of his
time was spent teaching the disciples on how to handle demons I mean we talked
about how he came to preach he came to heal and he came to deliver right right
and so we talked to him about he's the original PhD we call him dr. Jesus right
but he he told them while he was here that it was part of his mission to set
the captives free talked about that in Luke 4 where he unrolled the scroll and
eyes of Isaiah 61 and he and he talked about what his mission statement was and
then as we've talked about this when he left he told us in mark 16 verses 16
through 18 I believe it was or 15 through 18 that that we these signs
would follow believers that we will cast out demons in his name and
so the last thing Jesus did was to ignore the devil and his schemes now he
didn't meditate on him he didn't focus on him he didn't live his life
constantly battling him but there was a portion of his ministry one-third of it
I would suggest to you that was focused on deliverance now if you you know I
don't know the exact numbers but I've heard some scholars say that if you
actually count the number of healings that were done by deliverance in the New
Testament you'll see that it's about 1/3 of the total so I believe it was a great
great focus of his as far as his mission so no we cannot ignore it and quite
frankly and I can see we're not here to try this is not an apologist the podcast
we're not trying to do you know theological analysis here it's to us
it's quite simple in terms of what Jesus did he said if you you know you will do
the same things that I've been writing faith in me and and part of it was
indeed doing deliverance ministry I mean I we believe that is for today and that
even though the victory has been won on the cross there is still some warfare
that needs to happen in terms of a deliverance and so you know we're pretty
adamant about that obviously that that spiritual warfare is for today and quite
frankly if you're gonna be engaged in it whether it's like any kind of warfare
you need to know your enemy you need to understand how do they work and I agree
with you we're not you know we should never be Jesus folk I'm sorry we should
never be demon focused my evidence Ministry of course is driving out of
demons but we need to be Jesus focused but we do need if we're going to engage
in spiritual warfare we need to understand on the nature of our enemies
let's say on some level because we are in a war we were in a war we're engaging
in these battles and then we tell people you're the spiritual warfare ends if
Jesus comes back or if you die then our warfare is over but up until either one
of those takes place we're gonna be involved in in spiritual at some level
and so this purpose of this podcast is really there just to give you hopefully
some practical nuts-and-bolts knowledge about the demonic realm
we've talked about a lot of what's taught in church now what I find is is
sometimes not so much that it's necessarily something I would disagree
with they're not necessarily wrong but it's not very complete it's not detailed
enough and it doesn't go into some of the aspects of spiritual warfare in
terms of discerning spirits resisting spirits of course driving out spirits
and so we just want to focus on delivering our giving to you in this
session just some things we learn and biblically based things and experiential
things and we've haven't seen about the demonic realm in terms of dealing with
them over the course of many years of counseling and deliverance ministry so
with that kind of preamble and beginning let's talk about the the nature of
demons what do we what does the Bible tell us about demonic spirits I mean
what do we know about demon spirits well they're finite they're created angelic
beings they they they they have you know they can't be everywhere at every time
you know a lot of times people will say Satan was in my bedroom or something
like that and we know that Satan is a single entity can't be everywhere all
the time like God can God can be albin impotent through the power of the Holy
Spirit but but you know and omnipresent everywhere present right but Creek but
ain't but demons are like angels you know they're they're they're fallen
angels and they're in a certain place at a certain time they can't be everywhere
and we know that a third of them fell with same yeah how many angels are
either the Bible talks about a multitude and a countless number so it's a big
number but we believe the ratio is a third of them all right revelation 12
says the third a third of them fell with with with Satan with little time and
with great fury so the one thing that they have here is they know that they
have a very little time and they're trying to get as many souls for their
kingdom as they possibly can and there is that the second Haman the
talks about gives the scripture talks about principalities and demon princes
it talks in the Book of Daniel about the Prince of Persia in the second heaven
and only third heaven we know where Paul was taken to where we consider the
throne room of heaven we live here in this earthly realm what we would call
the first heaven and that's where Jesus lived right as I'm right right and this
is where he did deliver ministry and that's where we live in
place so our live work and play so that's our focus in terms of
understanding the demonic realm in in the earthly realm and that when we talk
about the nature of demons we want these devils and understand who it is we're up
against in this earthly realm so we know they're created beings they're here
they've got a plan for our life the talks in John 10:10 the thief comes to
kill steal and destroy so that's what these Devils are about there is a
hierarchy in the demonic realm - you know it talks about Matthew about the
binding the strong yeah and there's a there's a hierarchy and there's a high
similarly if you look in the scripture about angels not all angels are the same
there's Michael Gabriel with Archangels and there's you know cherubim Seraphim
the soul we're just focusing in on the demonic realm that we do spiritual
warfare against if you like and we want you know there's two scriptures that we
really want to focus on here in the next few minutes and if you have a pan and if
you can you want to come back to this later and listen that write this down
that'd be great but there's there's two of them in the New Testament Matthew 12
verses 43 and God puts in size and Luke 11 24 to 26 to scriptures but they say
if you read them they're essentially the same text in context and I'm kind of of
the view that anything God puts in Scripture two times and I have
importance so let me just read this to you read I'm gonna read out of Matthew
12:43 245 and then we'll go through and look at the scripture it says this when
an impure spirit comes out of a person it goes through arid police places
seeking rest and does not find it then it says I will return to the house I
left when it arrives it finds the house unoccupied swept clean and put in order
then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself
and they go in and live there and the final condition of that person is worse
than the first this is how it will be with this wicked generation and Phyllis
there is so much information about the demonic realm in this scripture mm-hmm
and it's amazing and you've touched on it and that day also that that most
churches don't talk much about the spiritual warfare of the demonic realm
don't talk much about this scripture but let's go through this scripture and look
at what it says what can we learn for it first of all spirit says it comes out
yeah the spirit comes out of the man so then you know that it's in I mean it's
not a question Jesus walked all through Matthew casting spirits out and so you
know that's where we come in for deliverances those spirits have to come
out of the man that's a quick that's a key and that is for us is for believers
it's for today spirits that still need to come out of people now yes people say
there's an element of resisting spirits and they will flee and that's true that
but but the realm of deliverance is driving out of spirits they need to come
out of a person okay then it says goes to dry or through arid
places you know that's typically our practice and limits that's where we send
them we don't send the dry not help frankly but it says that these spirits
seek rest what can we learn from spirits seeking rest well then they must get
tired right like if they've been cast out of their their earthly dwelling and
they now they're you know not getting the torment that they're supposed to be
exacting over this then you know there's a there's a battle with them they're
tired they they have therefore they have mental and emotional things that are
going on in them and so they must have souls right they can think they can
reason they can make an exact torment over a person they need rest and so they
don't have physical bodies so they don't get physically tired but they need all
right and right mental and emotional rest is unkind that's what they're
seeking it and you touched on it it says you know that the next screw in verse 44
it says then the Spirit says I will return to the house so spirits have
minds yeah they can reason they can think and they can then warns us it says
that the spirits going to try to come back to the house well we want to
understand in context that that house means that's the the body that they were
driven out of right they're going to try to
kind of a prophetic prophetic warning which emphasizes how important it is for
people to be prepared and be able to discern when the spirits try to come
back so they have Minds they have they have wills and they can communicate with
one another because it says it takes along seven other spirits more wicked
than itself now that's good yeah and so and then they talks about that they were
going to live there now what do we important to emphasize it
says seven other spirits more wicked than itself what does that say about
spirits but there is a hierarchy in the spiritual realm and that there are some
that have exact greater torment on people than others do right yeah it's
like they're not I think that's it they're not all created equal and and
conceptually if you'd look at it that says a person maybe had one spirit it
got kicked out that spirit brings on seven other spirits so conceivably they
had one if the doors are open or reopen they come back in and now there's eight
Spears eight so you could it's not hard to visualize it yes indeed they would be
worse off than they were be before and and I think you know that this people
point at the scripture and we can also discern it says that if it finds it
unoccupied swept clean and put in order that that if the house is unoccupied but
for us that says that the person needs to get filled because the Holy Spirit
yeah you need to have the Holy Spirit needs to be occupied yeah and and for us
that's important I think most most would agree with this that that for us even in
doing deliverance we really only want to do deliverance for people who are
believers who have the Holy Spirit right because if that you don't have the Holy
Spirit in you then it's very gonna be very very difficult first of all to get
freedom to stay free yeah because you know you'd and the point of deliverance
is to allow the Holy Spirit to have you know the room it needs I like to say to
be really functional and fullness of joy and love and peace and the fruits of the
Holy Spirit I know that when I went through one of my deliverances early on
that was that was what I would I recognized was almost as if the Holy
Spirit was just reaching out and going giving it a good stretch I was room for
mother's room for being aroused yes see that yes
no lesson you don't have anymore God than you do before before but you have
less of this other stuff right then you feed the Holy Spirit by staying in the
word so then you see those things to manifest in your life that are good and
godly that's how it's supposed to work yeah so that scripture tells us a lot
like I said look at that read through it again there's a lot about Devils some
are more wicked that they're gonna try to come back to the house and so so we
learn a lot from them about how they're operating now okay this is good we got
this knowledge why is this knowledge important what's the scripture that we
can point to that says how these demons operate in the plan that they have worse
well they don't have a very good plan I can tell you that and we note that
through John 10:10 because it says they've come to kill to steal and
destroy there's no part of that that sounds good or to me and like you
said dawn they want us to think their thoughts then they want us to believe
that their thoughts are our thoughts so there can be this bringing us into
rationalizing and justifying that these thoughts are actually ours when they
come because like you told us in several times that they can't read our minds but
they can put those thoughts in right then scripture points out that even when
God asked God asked Adam who told you to eat that Apple
somebody else gave him that thoughts that was an inspired thought of course
we know it was from the serpent it was from Satan himself and that was the
original sin and that original sin was not his thought and that that plan right
from the very beginning was to bring enmity or division between God and man
separate us with lie based thinking and that's what Satan does he's a great
deceiver and so he wants us to think that a lot of this stuff is our thoughts
because the demons can think and they can communicate that plan and they're
very they're very tricky so you want to be a little slots in our minds yeah puts
the thoughts and so we need to discern those lies because we are in a battle
with this and this is the battle thing exactly I think that's point emphasizing
them this is spiritual warfare they're still out to kill steal yes very much
looking at other scripture talks about these Satan row and we would extend the
term people so look at Satan who say look at we're battling you know as you
touched on Satan's a finite being I don't think we're battling Satan we're
battling is the there's spirits assigned to us yes Satan
himself I don't mean we're not important enough for individuals United concerns
he has other parts of his hierarchy assigned to us and dividual demonic
spirits work in the plan to kill steal and destroy the brain deceiver events
and that's what these Devils do and so that's that's who we're up against these
these spiritual being demons spiritual beings rather in and now and another
scripture Paul talks about in Ephesians 6:12 makes that point very clear as well
that we are battling spiritual forces right yeah not we're not battling flesh
and blood so we're not battling the people but we're battling those spirits
that are operating through those people and I think that you have to understand
that that's you know you can certainly tell that you've been in some battles
with other people before but to discern the difference I think one of the
pastors used to say I wanted to slug that demons head but my husband's face
kept getting in the way and so that's a good good way to picture that battle
that you're in you don't want to assign it to the flesh you want to assign it to
the enemy using that flesh against you to draw you into his plan which is to
kill steal and destroy spiritual battle takes spiritual weapons right we use
that a lot in this context of marriage counseling people need to step back and
say hey it's not the physical world here yes you are flesh and blood but you you
have what you have a body but you'reyou're a soul you know you are a
spirit and there's a soul and that's the battle it's a spiritual battle trying to
bring destruction upon you even in the realms of marriage it's you know it's a
spiritual battle these Devils are working to kill steal and destroy so
that it's important to understand that that this is a spiritual battle not
against people we've talked a little bit about demonic spirits they're able to
think and communicate they have minds and wells and we teach in both of the
belief that spirits cannot read our minds but that demon spirits are able to
put thoughts in our mind right and they even spirits on the outside can put
thoughts in a person's mind now when they're inside of us in our soulish man
then that's the nature of torment but demon spirits too can't put thoughts in
our mind so I always kind of laugh a little bit
I shouldn't say laughs but I find it just misleading for people to believe
they're either big coats in the term so I don't want to speak it out loud I
don't want seem to hear what I'm saying I was like look first of all you know
these devils already know a lot about you you know they don't need to read
mind to know exactly what's going a lot of what's going on in your line and yes
if we pray quietly to God and we don't speak then they don't know but a lot of
times they pick up what they see what we do they hear what we say and so they
already know a lot about it and fear should not be in our vocabulary when it
comes to dealing with the demonic realm but the flip side is if we want Dimas to
do something and when we are able to have power and authority over them what
do we need to do we need to we need to command them to do it and to speak to
the demons when we want them to do something and tell them to leave or flee
and you and I use the name and the blood of Jesus Christ when you do that because
they hate that they hate that well I like one of the scriptures that night I
noticed when the pastor says T's just was that every knee will bow and tongue
will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and if you're not going to go and
confess then you need to go in the name of Jesus Christ so you're commanding and
telling them to leave and flee that's good I like that we've been given power
and authority over them mm-hmm we don't need to ask God to do things in the
demonic one right giving us power he's given us power and authority and I think
that a lot of times we pray incorrectly we pray for things that are that are
already done or we don't pray for what God is asking us to take you no
authority over lots of people will say Don and I've heard this all the battle
belongs to the Lord and it is in Scripture I recognize it in second
chronicles 20 and verses 15 and 16 it says thus says the Lord to you do not be
afraid nor dismayed because of this great multitude for the battle is not
yours but it is gods but then right after that in verse 16 he says tomorrow
go down against them so there's a co partnering with the Holy Spirit to go
down and to take this war we have a place on the front line in God's plan
and even in Hebrews 10 it says but this man after he had suffered sacrifice for
his forever Jesus sat down at the right hand
of God and from that time he is waiting till his enemies are placed underneath
his feet as a footstool so we have a part in this war of finishing you know
and getting that work on those enemies underneath his feet where they where
they are but you know we have a plan and a part in this and because it even says
in Psalm 144 that he trained our hands for battle and our hand our hands for
war and our fingers for battle right so we are you know we're being trained here
it exactly I love that part about it and waiting until that time until his
enemies are our are under made his footstool right there's a time between
now and then not yet and I use an analogy some time and people you know
some of the older people can relate to this what happened in during World War
two if you want to try to put this in natural context or an understanding in
the Second World War G day was June 6 1944 that was when the
Allied forces were able to land on the beaches of France and establish a
foothold there and people understood Eisenhower Churchill understood even say
Hitler himself understood I believe that if they ever got a foothold on that
western front there that the war would be over they could go there because then
they could move in the Russians from the east and that's why I put so much time
and effort to the Hitler into resisting that but the reality is when that
landing was successful and they were able to move in from there people could
look and say ok the war is won the victory has been won but you know that
was June 6 1944 but the but the war went on into the following year may the
following year there's like 11 months later there was that timeframe so there
was still war right even though the victory had been secured or may not a
perfect analogy but I think I think it I think it works with the victories been
won but there's still warfare they have to appropriate that victory you have to
take a little bit and we still need to do some mental measure of a battling
pandemic against the demonic realm we're still seeking to kill steal and destroy
so we need to discern these Devils that are out against us and know their
tactics so we can take the appropriate actions against them right HR well you
know driving them out and resisting them and I think you'll know if you need to
do that if you look at the fruit it's what's being produced in your life if
your life is is resonating love and joy and peace then you're walking in the
fruit of the Holy Spirit but if you're bound with things like anger resentment
to feed depression you know fear then then there's a battle here that needs to
be you know one well exactly and that's the fruit you know what you know what do
people need we we the very least we talk about resisting spirits or driving out
spirits and and driving out demons that's that's deliverance I mean we
talked about that we certainly be addressing another podcast deliverance
ministry 101 and others that that that is the driving out of demons resisting
demons is the other part it talks about in James 4:7 we submit to God and resist
these Devils if you like and they will flee and so let's talk about that
resisting part of it just for a moment that that part because what what is
involved in resisting demons well I think you in order to resist them
you've got to discern them you know you've got to know that there's a battle
that's going on and oftentimes if you start to rationalize or justify things
as good then you know the enemy is starting to call you into that that is
that is not of God I mean there's there's a the resisting them is not
coming into agreement with them and aligning your freewill with them talk
about the mind and their mind yeah talking about the battlefield of a mind
that happens with on fire right right right and that battle is
real because demon spirits can put knots in your mind
never mind so discerning the thoughts being resisting and Paul course talks
about you know I'm sure we'll elaborate these I mean other podcasts about taking
thought cap thoughts captain with what we do all that but we talked about the
battle the battlefield of the mind is huge yep after deliverance and apart
from deliverance right foes we spent a lot of time with people and repairing
them for that afterwards yeah and because you've got to understand the
nature of the demons and what they're speaking you know oftentimes when we
talk about people after deliverance done why I'm always telling them what what
are you hearing like if you're hearing your own word
the or you're not good enough or you know you're less than I mean those are
none of the things that God says about you so typically to be able to clearly
discern the the demons tactics you have to know the Word of God and know the
truth and what you'll hear is always the opposite of the truth so if you hear
things like I if you hear yourself saying things like first person like I
can't I am defeated I am sad I am depressed I am too weak I am unloved
then those are nothing that God is saying and you speak the opposite out
loud that you are loved you are the beloved you are the apple of his eye you
have joy those are the ways that you can you know resist those demons that you've
got to know their tactics in advance got it right know the tactics discern them
right right fight what you can't see right use analogy I've used it in other
places and and above the boxing I mean I'm not pretending all a lot about
boxers but know enough about boxing there that you could be the best boxer
in the world but if you're blindfolded then you're gonna be easy prey for even
a mediocre boxer you're blinded fold a black boxer you can't see what he's up
against he's gonna get pounded and so it is with us you know you know your
opponent you gotta know you got to be able to discern you never just end and
you can't discern that's the good news about the demonic spirits we can't
discern them it's a spiritual gift God doesn't want us to be blind he doesn't
want us to be ignorant he wants us to be aware of the devil's schemes and you
know and so this realm of discerning of spirits it's a gift ask for it believe
you receive to start walking in it yes you might need some training in it and
learning how to do it but it's it's a gift God has for you he wants you to
have it and we need to have it yes to wage war fair effectively so we need
to resist spirits and and we you know one of the scripture that people point
to quite power-packed and a lot of median is is the scripture in Ephesians
the and the warrant that tells us about the the armor the spiritual armor it
says to take your stand against the devil's schemes and so
what what do we want and once again we don't have time to go into all these you
know all the aspects of the spiritual armor I mean there's pastors it's been
you know weeks and months on those that scripture both well what do we want to
really highlight here in terms of some of the spiritual armor that people
should really become proficient in oh yeah have your shield of faith you know
the Roman soldiers used to soak that shield overnight like to get it full of
water and you know in an in the natural you know we want to soak it in the
presence of the Lord so that our shield is strong and mighty to put out the
fiery darts of the enemy you want to have the sword of the Spirit which is
the word of God you want that that belt of truth you want to be walking and Pete
new shoes of peace certainly have on your breastplate of righteousness and
your helmet of salvation and these aren't things you know for people to say
I pray I mom me every day well you know just praying them on you does not mean
that they're gonna be on you these are things that you need to walk in and to
appropriate and develop and so that I never take never taken why put them on
it saw me put take it off am I going to bed in any pajamas yeah no but you know
it's one thing to look at it but to see they learn how to walk again some
believe and and like I say there's so much there what does all those elements
mean and there's some good reasons good teaching resources on those and and I
like to I mean I'm not saying any more important than the others but that to me
the wonderful visual of the sword of the Spirit which is the word of God if you
see in my office we do we have swords hanging you know and it's like that is
the word and and to take your stand against the devil's schemes and this is
such a wonderful word picture because you know the the Paul in context he's
talking about are the sword of a Roman soldier I and those those were daggers
using their gladiator movies or whatever you know those those weren't like long
Zorro swords they weren't Braveheart swords there were much short daggers
maybe 18 to 24 inches long they were used for in fighting and to resist and
to defend yourself and that's what the Word of God is in this context is for
yes it's useful for all sorts of things for teaching rebuking correcting
training and righteousness meditating on but in the context of spiritual warfare
that's sword we'll take our stand the devil's schemes oh we need to speak
that thing out we need to have the scriptures like you said you need to
know what the word says if you're coming against fear or depression you have the
spirits that speak against fear the spirits have talked about faith God's
not given me a spirit of fear but of power and of love and a sound mind if
there's an impression you know or you know that you say the joy of the Lord is
my strength if it's provision that lord thank you that you will provide all of
my needs according to your glorious riches you know you just have it that's
the sword of the Spirit in the context of spiritual warfare CIL's no one the
sword for no one the word is important it definitely is need to have that you
need to have that so resisting demons that's that's another element of that we
need to know how to do so you know we've tried to cover a bunch of things here
kind of briefly and quickly and talk about the nature the demonic realm who
they are how they work how they think what their plans are the ways we can
come against them in terms of driving them out in deliverance resisting them
discerning them and being able to take up the spiritual armor of God so
Philistine as we begin to to to bring this podcast to a conclusion or what are
one or two things that you really would like people to really take away and and
really understand clearly about the demonic realm well I think the key to
all of it is got dawn that you need to just stay in the Word of God and to know
the truth to be able to discern where these thoughts are coming from and to
realize that we're in a battle whether we like it or we not and we don't want
to just ignore it and be a Wimpy warrior that's ineffective in God's army and so
we need to know who or who are in in this battle with and and that's the key
I think that's the key I would agree with that that's important we need that
we need to remember that and I think that I the realisation I've come to over
the years is is that because people have such little understanding it's had such
limited teaching of a demonic realm they are not able to see and discern that it
is the demonic realm that they're battling you know
there's not demons behind every problem people need good counsel biblical
counsel and we need things to do in the natural that can help us move forward
but in the realm many times if it's if it's a spiritual attack you can only
fight that with spiritual weapons you need to be able to discern if it's
deliverance if you have demon spirits tormenting you you need to be delivered
from them if it's thoughts in the mind of demonic spirits coming down learn how
to wage war fare in that realm so because people have such limited
knowledge and well for the most part I see people getting taken out lives
destroyed marriages destroyed ministries destroyed churches destroyed by the most
spiritual forces of evil my people perish for lack of knowledge so get the
knowledge get the information there's some good books out there you can
contact us we you know resources they have good solid teaching about the
demonic realm yes reading and getting it from the word but there's some people
out there who've got some good teaching resources on that as well and we
encourage you anything out there by Derek Prince Peter Horeb and the people
know the pigs of the part or folks you know Frank and ina mayhem and I mean
there's just some good resources out there and of course we touched on our
own man we've got deliverance ministry plain and simple manuals our little
attempt at some some some knowledge to the mix as well so get that knowledge
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