EDUCATION SECRETARY NOMINEE BETSY DEVOS IS NOT HAVING A GOOD
YEAR SO FAR.
FIRST WE HAD HER NOMINATION HEARINGS, THOSE WERE
AN EMBARRASSING DEBACLE FROM BEGINNING TO END, AND A LOT OF
SENATORS, MOSTLY ON THE LEFT AND SOME ON THE RIGHT, HAD SOME
QUESTIONS THAT MADE CLEAR HOW ILL-PREPARED SHE IS FOR THE
POSITION.
A LITTLE BIT THAT CAME OUT OF THOSE HEARINGS --
THAT IS GOOD, MAYBE SHE SHOULD'VE ADVOCATED FOR MORE
FENCES IN SCHOOLS.
ALSO --
THAT IS THE STANDARD THAT ACTIVISTS FOR MORE INVESTIGATION
AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT ON CAMPUS WANT TO BE
INSTITUTED.
AND AS A RESULT OF ALL OF THIS --
BY THE WAY, I ONLY JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT TODAY.
SO AGAIN,
THE MEDIA SUCKS.
BUT THAT IS GREAT, ORGANIZED OPPOSITION TO
HER THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN WITH THE OTHER NOMINEES, EVEN
THE OTHER ONES WHO ARE LEAST PREPARED FOR THEIR POSITION.
BUT
COMING OUT OF ALL OF THAT, THE POPULAR OPPOSITION AND HER POOR
PERFORMANCE, WE NOW FIND OUT THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO
OPPOSE HER NOMINATION, YOU WILL SEE THAT HERE.
SHE IS SOMEONE THAT THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ONE DEMOCRATIC
VOTE FOR HER, WE ARE TRYING TO FIND REPUBLICANS TO VOTE AGAINST
HER BECAUSE SHE IS AN IDEOLOGUE WHO KNOWS NEXT TO NOTHING ABOUT
EDUCATION POLICY, AS WE DEMONSTRATED, OR SHE
DEMONSTRATED, REALLY, IN HER CONFIRMATION HEARING.
PRICE IS
UNACCEPTABLE.
THERE WILL BE A LOT OF NOMINEES WHO WE WILL DO
EVERYTHING WE CAN TO DEFEAT.
AS YOU KNOW, THESE NOMINEES NEED 51
VOTES AND WE HAVE 48.
SO WE NEED SOME REPUBLICANS TO DEFEAT SOME
OF THEM, BUT YOU WILL SEE PRUITT, YOU WILL SEE A NUMBER OF
THESE NOMINEES WHO VIRTUALLY ALL OF US WILL OPPOSE THEM, AND I'M
SURE THAT'S TRUE WITH DEVOS, I BET IT'S TRUE WITH PRICE.
THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR ON THIS NOMINEE, NOT ON SOME PREVIOUS
ONES, THERE WILL BE OPPOSITION.
IT MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH, BUT WHAT
DO YOU THINK OF THE LIKELIHOOD SHE WILL BE BARRED FROM TAKING OVER
THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION?
THERE IS NOTHING TO MAKE YOU THINK IT'S LIKELY BECAUSE OF THE
NUMBERS.
BUT GOING IN I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE -- THEY WOULD
HAVE ONE OR TWO THAT WOULDN'T MAKE THE CUT BECAUSE IT WAS
TRUMP, EVEN REPUBLICANS WOULD COME OUT -- THIS ONE SEEMS LIKE
IT WOULD BE ONE ON QUALIFICATION THAT THEY MIGHT DO THAT.
THE
PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS A PROBLEM WE TALK ABOUT HERE ALL THE TIME,
MONEY AND POLITICS.
ON THE PANEL THAT'S CONSIDERING HER
NOMINATION SIT AT LEAST FOUR REPUBLICAN SENATORS THAT SHE'S
BEEN WILDLY GENEROUS WITH IN CAMPAIGN DONATIONS.
HOW IS THAT FUCKING POSSIBLE?
IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO NOMINATE
SOMEONE SUCH AS THIS, OR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET INTO
GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO GIVE MONEY LIKE THIS.
OR IF YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN DONATIONS BY A NOMINEE YOU
SHOULD RECUSE YOURSELF.
YES, YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO VOTE ON THIS NOMINEE IF THEY'VE
GIVEN YOU MONEY.
THAT WOULD BE SO SIMPLE.
SUSAN COLLINS FROM
MAINE CAME OUT AND SAID WHO SHE IS SUPPORTING ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S
NOT A STELLAR LIST OF PEOPLE, SHE'S A REPUBLICAN FROM MAINE,
YOU WON'T AGREE WITH A LOT OF THEM, OMITTED FROM THAT WAS
BETSY DEVOS'S NAME.
DOES SHE BRING LISA MURKOWSKI ALONG OR
OTHERS?
DOUBTFUL.
I DON'T SEE THE OUT HERE FOR THEM.
AND DEVOS
IS THE MOST REPREHENSIBLE -- I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S THE MOST,
SHE'S AMONG THE 15 MOST REPREHENSIBLE NOMINEES HE'S PUT
BEFORE THEM.
I SPOKE TODAY FOR ABOUT 71 SECONDS TO A FORMER
U.S. SENATOR WHO WAS GETTING ON A PLANE ALLEGEDLY, OR SITTING AT
HOME AND DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO ME -- THE QUESTION I HAD WAS
WERE DEMOCRATS, THIS WAS A DEMOCRAT, GOING ALONG WITH THE
NOMINATIONS?
AND YOU SEE AL FRANKEN REACTING TO THAT,
BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING FLAK FOR THAT.
HE SAID WE KNOW IN
MOST CASES THE TRADITION OF APPROVING THE NOMINEES OF A
PRESIDENT GENERALLY MEANS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET SOMEBODY
LIKE THAT PERSON IF YOU OVERTURN THEM IN REACTION.
SO LET'S SAY
YOU DON'T GET DEVOS, YOU MIGHT GET SOMEONE LIKE HER.
I DON'T
KNOW THAT THERE ARE THAT MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE DEVOS IN
THAT WAY.
LET'S SAY IT'S PRUITT, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A TEXTBOOK
-- YOU WILL GET SOMEONE ELSE COMING WHO WAS JUST LIKE PRUITT.
THAT'S WHAT ELIZABETH WARREN SAID ABOUT BEN CARSON.
THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRATS DO, IT'S WHAT REPUBLICANS DO WITH
DEMOCRATIC NOMINEES AS WELL.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE LAST
OVERTURNED CABINET NOMINEE.
JUSTICES, SURE.
JOHN TOWER, FOR
DRINKING.
AND HE WAS A COLLEAGUE OF THE SENATORS, THAT WAS EVEN
WORSE.
WOMANIZING, DRINKING.
MAYBE THERE IS SOMETHING THAT
JUMPS OUT THAT HORRIBLE, BUT LOOK WHAT THIS PRESIDENT DID AND
WHAT PEOPLE ALLOWED HIM TO DO.
THIS SENATOR SAID TO ME, IT'S AS
SIMPLE AS THAT.
LET'S NOT WASTE OUR TIME ON THESE PEOPLE, LET'S
SPEND OUR TIME AND USE WHATEVER CAPITAL --
YOU ARE SAYING WHAT HE SAID.
YES.
LET'S USE OUR CAPITAL TO STOP WHAT THEY WANT TO DO LATER,
AND HIGHLIGHT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND STAND IN THE WAY OF THAT.
THIS SENATOR SAID HE THINKS REPUBLICANS WILL BE EASIER TO
BRING ALONG, SOME OF THEM, ON THAT PART OF IT IN SOME CASES,
NOT ACROSS THE BOARD AT ALL, BUT IN SOME CASES THAT ARE
IMPORTANT, AS THIS ADMINISTRATION MOVES ALONG.
THAT'S THE PHILOSOPHY THEY USE.
SO THEY THINK IF THEY VOTED AGAINST THE NOMINEES, THAT THAT
WOULD POISON THE WELL OF THE REPUBLICANS COMING ALONG WITH
THEM LATER?
ONE THAT IT POTENTIALLY POISONS THE WELL, AND TWO THAT IT
WOULDN'T NECESSARILY GET THEM ANYTHING BETTER.
MY POINT IS --
WHY NOT LOSE 51/48 EACH TIME?
YES, THEN YOU ARE ON RECORD.
OTHERWISE TRUMP CAN SAY LATER
YOU VOTED TO CONFIRM HIM, YOU ARE SAYING HE'S NOT A GOOD
PERSON NOW?
YOU KNEW ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU CONFIRMED HIM.
IF YOU
ARE GOING TO BE THE RESISTANCE AND GO ALONG WITH HIS CABINET
PICKS IT'S NORMALIZING TRUMP'S GOVERNING STYLE AND IT DOESN'T
GET YOU ANY GOODWILL WITH THE REPUBLICANS.
AND BY THE WAY,
WHAT ABOUT MAKING THEM PAY THE PRICE FOR SCREWING OVER BARACK
OBAMA'S SUPREME COURT PICK FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR?
THERE WAS ZERO
PRICE TO PAY FOR THAT.
BARACK OBAMA DIDN'T MAKE THEM PAY A
PRICE FOR THAT AND SENATE DEMOCRATS AREN'T MAKING THEM PAY
A PRICE, THERE IS NO PRICE TO PAY.
THEY ARE STILL BEING PRAGMATIC, THOSE SAME PEOPLE WHO
WOULDN'T ALLOW BARACK OBAMA TO RIGHTFULLY APPOINT A
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE, THERE IS NOW NO PRICE.
IT'S ANGERING.
I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, WHAT PRICE ñ FIRST OF
ALL, THE QUESTION YOU ASKED IS WHY NOT LOSE 51/48?
THAT WAS MY
NEXT QUESTION, BUT THE SENATOR -- THE "PLANE" WAS TAKING OFF.
HE WAS VERY KIND, BUT I SORT OF DIDN'T BELIEVE HE WAS SITTING ON
A PLANE, THERE WASN'T AN AMBIENT PLANE NOISE, BUT HE WAS GENEROUS
TO TALK TO ME, AND WHAT I WAS ABLE TO INFER WAS YES, YOU STILL
SAVE POLITICAL CAPITAL, YOU DO THE RIGHT THING, QUOTE UNQUOTE,
WHAT HAS BEEN TRADITION IN THE SENATE, AND THE SENATE IS
ADDICTED TO TRADITION, YOU DO THAT FOR A MOMENT AND FIGHT
LATER.
THE PROBLEM IS THEY DON'T FIGHT.
MAYBE THIS TIME BECAUSE
OF TRUMP YOU WILL HAVE REPUBLICANS WHO WHEN IT COMES TO
LEGISLATION, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO OPPOSE HIM FOR A WHILE
WITHIN HIS OWN PARTY, THE FIRST 100 DAYS, ALL OF THAT.
SOMEONE STRONG LIKE MARCO RUBIO.
RIGHT, SOMEONE STRONG LIKE MARCO RUBIO.
DID YOU SEE THE GUY
HOLDING THE SPINE?
THAT WAS FANTASTIC.
AND WHAT COULD THEY HAVE DONE?
WHERE IS THE RETRIBUTION FOR THE
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE NOMINEE?
COULD THEY HAVE DONE THAT YET?
WHAT COULD OBAMA HAVE DONE THEN, WHAT COULD BE DONE NOW?
WE WILL SEE ON THURSDAY WHEN HE ANNOUNCES HIS SUPREME
COURT PICK.
I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THAT WAS, BECAUSE I COULDN'T COME UP
WITH IT AND I GET FRUSTRATED WHEN I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON
WHAT TO DO, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE PRESIDENT OR CONGRESS
COULD DO, IT'S LAME-DUCK, THAT STUFF NEVER HAPPENS IN PRACTICAL
TERMS.
BUT I WAS ANGRY ABOUT IT AND I STILL AM.
WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME WHO ARE ACADEMICS --
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING ABOUT ME?
IS THAT BARACK OBAMA NEVER REALLY UNDERSTOOD THE POWER OF
THE BULLY PULPIT, HE NEVER USED IT, AND HE DIDN'T MAKE THE
REPUBLICANS -- NOT ONLY DO THEY NOT PAY A PRICE FOR OPPOSING
EVERYTHING HE TRIED TO DO SINCE 2010, THEY PAID NO PRICE AT THE
BULLY PULPIT.
HE DIDN'T MOVE PEOPLE, HE DIDN'T MAKE IT AN
ISSUE, HE DIDN'T MAKE THEM ANSWER FOR IT, THEY DIDN'T HAVE
TO PAY A POLITICAL PRICE.
AND THAT'S HIS JOB, YOU HAVE TO USE
THE BULLY PULPIT TO MAKE PEOPLE PAY POLITICAL PRICES, THAT'S
REALLY THE BIG THING THE PRESIDENT HAS.
I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT THE NUMBERS ARE THE THING THEY HAD.
AND THIS PARTICULAR -- IN GENERAL, ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK
RAHM EMANUEL BEING HIS CHIEF OF STAFF AT THE BEGINNING WAS THE
WORST THING BARACK OBAMA DID IN OFFICE FROM THE BEGINNING
BECAUSE HE TOOK SOMEONE WHO IS TOXIC TO THE HILL IMMEDIATELY
AND STRAINED RELATIONS.
WHEN HIS STRATEGY IS, WE ARE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER.
RAHM EMANUEL WAS A MISTAKE IN MY OPINION FROM THE BEGINNING.
I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT WHAT COULD HE HAVE
DONE?
WE WILL SEE IN THE COMING WEEKS WHEN HE NOMINATES SOMEONE
TO THE SUPREME COURT, IF THE EXPERIENCE WE'VE HAD SO FAR THIS
MONTH IS ANYTHING TO GO ON, GOD KNOWS WHERE HE WILL FIND THIS
PERSON OR WHAT THEY WILL BELIEVE AND IT WILL BE FAR MORE
CONSEQUENTIAL BECAUSE WHEREAS THE HEADS OF THESE DEPARTMENTS
ARE GOING TO BE WRECKING OUR COUNTRY FOR FOUR YEARS OR SO,
UNLESS SOME OF THEM BURN OUT OR QUIT OR WHATEVER, WHOEVER ENDS UP
ON THE SUPREME COURT WILL BE THERE FOR 20 OR 30 YEARS
THEORETICALLY.
I AGREE WITH ELIZABETH WARREN, IF YOU GOT RID
OF BEN CARSON YOU WOULD NOT GET ANYONE BETTER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN
YOU SHOULDN'T STILL VOTE AGAINST HIM.
ESPECIALLY WHEN BEN CARSON
MADE CLEAR THAT HE'S WILLING TO GIVE MONEY TO DONALD TRUMP'S
FAMILY TO BUILD HOUSING OR WHATEVER.
I READ AN EDITORIAL ON
VOX SAYING WE AREN'T GIVING THE DEMOCRATS ENOUGH CREDIT FOR
THE OPPOSITION THEY ARE THROWING UP.
HE POINTED OUT DIFFERENCES
BETWEEN WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW AND WHAT HAPPENED UNDER BARACK OBAMA
WHEN HE FIRST CAME INTO OFFICE.
THEN THE REPUBLICANS LARGELY
VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO SUPPORT BARACK OBAMA'S CABINET NOMINEES.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE HE WAS CHOOSING PHDs, PEOPLE
EXPERIENCED IN THE FIELD.
PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT IDEOLOGICALLY
CHOSEN BECAUSE THEY WERE AT 180 WITH THE GOAL OF THAT
DEPARTMENT.
REX TILLERSON HAS NO EXPERIENCE IN DIPLOMACY AND
APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN PUT IN TO GET THAT $500 BILLION DEAL WITH
RUSSIA.
BETSY DEVOS WANTS TO DESTROY PUBLIC EDUCATION, BEN
CARSON WILL HAND OFF MONEY TO DONALD TRUMP, MATTEO SAID JESUS
IS THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR THE PROBLEMS OF THE WORLD -- THESE
PEOPLE WILL SERIOUSLY IMPERIL OUR COUNTRY AND ITS CITIZENS.
AND LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, AT THE VERY LEAST IF YOU VOTE
AGAINST THEM WHEN THEY DO THESE THINGS YOU CAN SAY I WAS AGAINST
THIS PERSON FROM THE START.
IF YOU VOTE FOR THEM NOW, YOU ARE
SIGNING ON FOR THE TERRIBLE DECISIONS THEY MAKE LATER ON.
ONE THING ABOUT ELIZABETH WARREN AND BEN CARSON, HER
THEORY ON VOTING FOR HIM WAS THAT SHE'S AFRAID THAT SHE'S
GOING TO GET SOMEONE WORSE THAN BEN CARSON, SO I'LL GO WITH YOU.
NO, YOU OPPOSE THAT, AND IF SOMEONE WORSE COMES YOU OPPOSE
THAT TO.
SHE REFERRED TO HIS STATEMENTS ABOUT GAY PEOPLE AND
TRANSGENDER, ALL THE HORRIBLE THINGS HE SAID, WOMEN WHO HAVE
ABORTIONS ARE WORSE THAN SLAVEOWNERS, SHE SAID I'VE
DISAGREED WITH YOUR PREVIOUS STATEMENTS.
DON'T DISAGREE WITH
THEM, CONDEMN THEM.
THIS IS AGAIN, THE WEAK, SPINELESS
DEMOCRATS.
I MIGHT GET SOMEONE WORSE, I'M AFRAID OF WHAT DONALD
TRUMP MIGHT DO LATER SO I'LL GO ALONG WITH HIM NOW.
THEY JUST
SCREWED YOU OVER FOR A YEAR AND WOULDN'T GIVE YOU A SUPREME
COURT JUSTICE AND YOU CAN'T STAND UP AGAINST BEN CARSON?
WHAT YOU HAVE, A SPONGE IN YOUR BRAIN?
YOU CAN'T STAND UP AGAINST HIM, HE CAN'T EVEN STAND UP.
HE OPPOSED HIS OWN NOMINATION.
PREEMPTIVELY.
FOR BETSY DEVOS --
THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE AS AL FRANKEN POINTED OUT THEY'RE
LOOKING FOR TWO OR THREE, DEPENDING ON IF THE ONE WE THINK
MIGHT THEORETICALLY GO AGAINST HER, WILL.
IF YOU CAN BRING UP
THIS GRAPHIC, IT'S THE PEOPLE -- I THINK WE THREW A DEMOCRAT IN
THERE, THERE ARE THE REPUBLICANS WHO WILL BE VOTING -- IF YOU
LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE STATES OR EVEN IF YOU DON'T, FEEL FREE TO
PUT AS MUCH PRESSURE AS YOU CAN ON THOSE SENATORS TO MAKE
CLEAR THERE WILL BE A PRICE TO PAY, IF NOT FROM THE
SENATE, FROM THE PEOPLE.
I LIKE PAT ROBERTS FROM KANSAS, HE WON'T TAKE THE
ABBREVIATION.
EVERYONE ELSE WAS "SEN" -- HE IS SENATOR PAT
ROBERTS.
NONE OF THAT ABBREVIATION BULLSHIT.
GET ON
THE PHONE WITH THESE GUYS, TODD YOUNG JUST GOT TO THE SENATE,
TELL HIM.
IT'S HARD FOR HIM, HE'S FROM INDIANA, MIKE PENCE,
ALL THAT STUFF, AND THERE IS THIS INSTITUTIONAL RESPECT THAT
NONE OF US ON THIS PANEL OR NONE OF THEM ON THE MOST RIGHT-WING
REPUBLICAN PANEL WILL BE ABLE TO BREAK THROUGH IN THE
SENATE, WHICH IS THIS TRADITION.
YOU THINK ALL THE REPUBLICANS SHOWED NO RESPECT FOR THE
INSTITUTION WHEN THEY DID TO MERRICK GARLAND WHAT THEY DID?
THEY WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE A MEETING WITH HIM.
I THINK THEY FOUND A LOOPHOLE THAT THEY ALL JUMPED INTO.
AND
IT WAS SO INSULTING AND HIDEOUS AND WRONG AND ALL OF THOSE
THINGS, BUT I THINK THAT THEY, IN THEIR OWN WAY -- AND I'M NOT
GOING TO SAY THE REASONABLE AMONG THEM, BECAUSE I DON'T
THINK ANYONE SPOKE ABOUT IT REASONABLY -- THEY SAID THIS IS
WHAT THE SENATE SAYS AND THIS IS WHAT WE WILL DO.
YOU CAN FIND AN
ARGUMENT FOR ANYTHING IF YOU LOOK AT ENOUGH SENATE PRECEDENT,
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY TRIED TO DO.
IT WAS THE WORST THING THAT
HAPPENED IN THE LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF WHAT IT MEANS GOING
FORWARD.
I WILL TAKE A CABINET FULL OF BEN CARSONS AS LONG AS
THE SENATORS STAND UP TO THE JUDICIAL NOMINEES OF DONALD
TRUMP.
I THOUGHT THAT LOOPHOLE WAS RIDICULOUS, ANYONE WHO BELIEVES
THAT THEY HAD A POINT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY, BUT IT
ALSO LAYS OUT A PATH DEMOCRATS CAN TAKE.
IF NINE MONTHS IS TOO
CLOSE TO AN ELECTION, WHEN HE NOMINATES THEM ON THURSDAY JUST
SAY I THINK THE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE A SAY, I'LL WAIT UNTIL THE
RESULTS OF THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
AND IF YOU THINK
THAT'S RIDICULOUS, YOU DIDN'T EVEN WIN THE POPULAR VOTE.
SO
THE PEOPLE DIDN'T GET A SAY, THE STATES GOT A SAY, BECAUSE WE
RULE BY GEOGRAPHY AND NOT POPULATION FOR SOME REASON.
SO
JUST SAY WE WILL FIND OUT IN FOUR YEARS WHAT THE PEOPLE WILL
THINK.
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