I ASKED SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS FOR HIS VIEWS ON THE SECRET GOP
BILL. >> I MEAN, I AM SPEECHLESS WHEN
I TRY TO DESCRIBE WHAT IS GOING ON HERE BECAUSE IT IS REALLY
LITERALLY UNBELIEVABLE. CHRIS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN
TERMS OF HEALTH CARE 1/6 OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY, TRILLIONS OF
DOLLARS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ISSUE
THAT IMPACTS VIRTUALLY EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN IN OUR COUNTRY
AND IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THIS YOU HAVE A PROCESS BY WHICH
RIGHT NOW PERHAPS A DOZEN REPUBLICANS ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE
IN AMERICA WHO KNOW WHAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT, WHAT THE NEW
BILL MIGHT LOOK LIKE. MOST REPUBLICANS DON'T EVEN KNOW
IT LET ALONE ANYBODY IN THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS.
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS BEYOND OUTRAGEOUS.
THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED I THINK IN THE HISTORY OF MODERN AMERICA,
THAT YOU HAVE A BILL OF SUCH CONSEQUENCE WHERE THERE IS NOT
ONE HEARING. I'M A MEMBER OF THE HEALTH AND
EDUCATION COMMITTEE. NO HEARINGS.
NO PUBLIC DEBATE. WHAT WILL LIKELY HAPPEN IS THAT
AT THE VERY LAST MOMENT ON THE DAY OF THE VOTE MITCH McCONNELL
WILL PRESENT A BILL, THE REPUBLICANS WILL, LIKE SHEEP,
VOTE FOR THIS LEGISLATION AND THAT'S WHAT THE DEBATE ON THE
MOST -- ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES FACING AMERICA
WILL BE LIKE. IT IS INCOMPREHENSIBLE.
>> THE CLOSEST ANALOG IN SOME WAYS THAT I CAN REMEMBER FOR
SOMETHING LIKE THIS A LITTLE BIT IS THE IRAQ WAR VOTE, AND HERE'S
WHY I SAY THIS. THAT VOTE, THERE WAS TREMENDOUS
POLITICAL PRESSURE AT THE MOMENT TO VOTE TO AUTHORIZE THE USE OF
FORCE. IT TURNED OUT THAT IN THE END
THE POLICY ITSELF MATTERED A GREAT DEAL.
IT WAS PARAMOUNT IN THE END TO THE POLITICAL FORTUNES OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY, PARTICULARLY WHETHER THE WAR WAS A GOOD IDEA
OR NOT. AND I JUST WONDER WHETHER YOUR
COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE, IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POLICY
IS, HOW CAN THEY POSSIBLY THINK IT'S IN THEIR POLITICAL BENEFIT
TO VOTE FOR IT? >> LOOK, YOU HAVE -- WELL, THEY
ASSUME THAT THEIR BASE SUPPORTS THE REPEAL OF OBAMACARE.
THAT'S WHAT THEY KNOW, AND PRESUMABLY THIS IS WHAT THAT
WILL DO. I THINK THE ANALOGY WITH THE WAR
IN IRAQ IS NOT QUITE CORRECT BECAUSE THIS IS ENORMOUSLY
COMPLICATED.
IN THE WAR ON IRAQ, DO YOU GO INTO THE WAR?
I CHOSE NOT TO. I VOTED AGAINST IT.
THIS ONE IS HEALTH CARE. THERE ARE SO MANY ASPECTS TO IT.
IT'S COMPLICATED STUFF, AS THE PRESIDENT REMINDED US, AND THAT
YOU HAVE REPUBLICANS OUT THERE WHEN ASKED BY MEDIA, HAVE YOU
READ THE BILL? DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S IN IT?
NO, I DON'T KNOW IT. WELL, YOU'RE PREPARED TO VOTE
FOR IT? WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I WILL.
AND, AGAIN, IT IS A DISGRACE. IT'S A DISGRACE TO THE TRADITION
OF THE SENATE, TO THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS, AND IT REALLY
IS AN INSULT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
AND THE REASON CLEARLY, CHRIS, IS THEY DON'T WANT ANY DEBATE
ABOUT IT IS THEY KNOW HOW UNPOPULAR AND HOW AWFUL THIS
LEGISLATION IS. HOW DO YOU GO HOME AND DEFEND
THROWING 23 MILLION AMERICANS OFF OF HEALTH INSURANCE,
DEFUNDING PLANNED PARENTHOOD, CUTTING MEDICAID BY $800
BILLION, RAISING PREMIUMS FOR OLDER WORKERS OH,, AND BY THE
WAY, GIVING HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF TAX BREAKS TO THE
RICHEST 2% AND DRUG COMPANIES AND INSURANCE COMPANIES?
YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S A PRETTY HARD PROPOSAL TO DEFEND.
THEIR VIEW IS LET'S NOT DEFEND IT, LET'S JUST DO IT IN SECRET.
>> IT ALSO SEEMS TO ME AND THIS IS SOMETHING DEMOCRATS KNOW VERY
WELL, ANYONE WHO VOTED FOR THE ACA, AMERICAN HEALTH CARE IS
COMPLICATED. PEOPLE HAVE ALL SORTS OF MIXED
EMOTIONS ABOUT IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED
ABOUT THEIR HEALTH CARE. >> RIGHT.
>> WHEN YOU PASS HEALTH CARE, THE PARTY OWNS THE ENTIRETY OF
THE SYSTEM, EVEN THE PARTS THAT THEY DIDN'T TOUCH.
THE REPUBLICANS ARE ON THE PRECIPICE OF ESSENTIALLY DOING
THAT. AM I WRONG?
>> YES, AND NO. YEAH, OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING
TO OWN IT, BUT BEHIND THEM WILL BE MANY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS O
DOLLARS FROM THE KOCH BROTHERS AND OTHERS BOMBING THE AIR WAVES
WITH 30 SECOND ADS ATTACKING ANYBODY WHO IS CRITICAL OF WHAT
THE REPUBLICANS DO. SO THEY SAY, HEY, WE CAN DO
ANYTHING WE WANT. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
>> YOU THINK THAT'S THE THING THAT EMBOLDENS THEM?
>> I THINK IN THE BACK OF THEIR MINDS IS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT
THEY HAVE AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DEFEND THEM AND TO
ATTACK AND DESTROY THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE CRITICAL OF WHAT THEY
DID. I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT
FACTOR. >> SO THERE'S -- THERE'S --
THERE'S TREMENDOUS FRUSTRATION ON BEHALF OF A LOT OF PEOPLE
THAT FOLLOW THIS ISSUE AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, FOLKS THAT HAVE
A LIBERAL VIEWPOINT. THEY KIND OF CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT
THEY'RE WATCHING. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> THE QUESTION TO YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES IN THE DEMOCRATIC
CAUCUS IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?
CAN YOU DO? I REMEMBER TOM COBURN BACK WHEN
I USED TO BE ON CAPITOL HILL COVERING HIM COULD BRING THE
WHOLE PLACE TO A STOP FOR, GOSH, THE CRAZIEST STUFF.
SEEMED LIKE THE SENATE WOULD GRIND TO A HALT BECAUSE TOM
COBURN DIDN'T LIKE SOMETHING. CAN YOU DO THAT?
>> WE ARE GOING TO -- I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
I WILL DO EVERYTHING HUMANLY AND LEGALLY POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE
THIS HORRENDOUS PIECE OF LEGISLATION, WHICH WILL BE CLOSE
TO WHAT THE HOUSE PASSED, NEVER SEES THE LIGHT OF DAY.
THIS IS THE HOUSE PASSED BILL, CHRIS, IS THE WORST PIECE OF
LEGISLATION BY FAR THAT I HAVE SEEN IN MY LIFETIME, AND I WILL
DO EVERYTHING I CAN, I THINK I SPEAK FOR A NUMBER
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