We grew up in South L.A. within a gang.
We were mixed up in shady affairs.
I went to prison.
I was sentenced to serve 20 years
for getting an abortion.
The baby wasn't born alive.
He was born dead.
Yes, because she killed him.
-I didn't kill him. -She's a murderer.
You're an ex-gangster,
or you still are one,
so you're just being a hypocrite.
You talk about abortion
when you have killed before.
She's prostituting the mother of my son.
No, I'm not.
In a wheelchair!
Are you watching this, ma'am?
And there's a man having intercourse with her...
in the wheelchair!
That's one of many, ma'am.
Wasn't it easier for you to buy him a porno movie
instead of giving him a live show?
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Pope John XXIII said,
"It's easy for parents to have children,
but it's hard for children
to have real parents."
Greetings,
and welcome to "Case Closed".
Motherhood and fatherhood
have changed through the years.
What makes a good parent?
It shouldn't be so hard to define, right?
Let's receive our first case.
Mr. Director, let the litigants in.
Any woman can give birth to a child,
but not anyone can be a good mother,
and that's what I want to be.
There're bad people in life,
people without a heart.
It's in their blood,
and no one can change that.
Good evening. Welcome.
-Good afternoon. -Hello.
Georgina, you're suing Chris.
Explain why,
and what your demands are.
Yes, I'm suing Chris, the father of my son.
I want full custody rights
of the son I lost when I went to prison.
I also want him to leave the house of my son Tomas.
She's crazy.
And I want child support.
I also want a restriction order,
because he's not good role model for my son.
She killed a baby...
The kid was six months old.
Calm down.
Tell me how it all went down.
How did you lose the custody of your son?
Why did you go to prison?
I was unjustly imprisoned, actually.
I was sentenced to 20 years
for getting an abortion on the sixth month.
She's a murderer. She spent 18 months there.
Wait, please.
Please, let me explain.
Let me hear her, please.
Yes, ma'am.
Chris and I had a relationship.
We grew up in the South of L.A. amongst gangs,
and we were mixed up in shady affairs.
We fell in love and had a baby that year.
When I realized I was pregnant with our first child, Tomas,
my life completely changed.
I always wanted to be a good mother,
so I begged Chris
to go live somewhere other than Los Angeles.
We moved to Indiana and started a new life.
Everything was okay.
We were a happy family,
Chris had changed.
Six months later, I got pregnant again.
When I told Chris, he changed.
He went back to being the same man he was before.
He'd come home drunk.
You're saying he didn't like you being pregnant again.
That's right.
-He didn't want another child. -No.
When I told him we were having another child...
He stopped coming home. He'd spend days out.
He'd left me and Tomas alone.
He'd come home drunk and mistreat me.
I was working, ma'am.
She was in the house doing nothing.
I worked, I provided for the family.
You'll talk later.
It was very traumatic for me.
I got depressed during that pregnancy.
It took me so much time...
What?
To kill my child?
I didn't kill him!
She's a murderer.
Ok, listen.
He didn't take the pregnancy well.
No. I was alone during the pregnancy.
You were alone.
So, you decided you wouldn't have the baby.
-You were six months pregnant. -Yes.
What did you do?
I bought these pills and took them,
so I lost the baby.
The baby was born.
-She killed my child. -Hold on.
Please, hold on.
We're talking about the pregnancy.
Hold on.
So, you provoked a miscarriage on the sixth month,
so, very, very late. -Yes, ma'am.
Where did you get those...?
What did you get? Pills?
He bought them online. I checked her computer.
-I bought the pills online. -They'd provoke a miscarriage.
Yes.
Okay, was the baby born?
He wasn't born alive.
He was born dead.
Yes, because she killed him.
That isn't fair.
Okay, wait.
Okay...
First, you were accused of feticide, correct?
-Yes. -A feticide.
That is the homicide of a fetus.
But it's a life.
He was a child.
I'm talking legal terms.
If you don't understand them, go read a newspaper,
it's there every day.
He was a child.
His heart was beating. He was a child.
I'm talking legal terms.
If you don't understand, that's your problem.
This is the word we use when a person tries to...
Are you okay with that?
I'm not the one being judged here, okay?
I'm a woman,
I support the right of women to get abortions.
If you disagree, it's your problem.
We're not here to talk about my principles.
I try to be objective and comply with the law.
That's all.
So, the baby was born dead.
Who pressed charges against you? Him?
He did.
I went to the hospital because I wasn't feeling good.
They had to scrape me
to remove what was left of the baby.
-Okay. -Which you killed.
He got to the hospital,
and when he realized I'd had an abortion,
he reported me.
To the police.
So, they arrested you.
First they charged you with feticide.
You were sentenced to 20 years.
Twenty years, yes.
It was an injustice.
An injustice?
The fact you're standing there is an injustice.
So, they took the child from you and he was left in charge.
When I went to prison
he got the legal paperwork done
to take custody of my son Tomas. -Right.
He was three years old when I went to prison.
He's five now.
You were in prison for two years.
-Yes. -Almost two years.
I sought for help in organizations
that help women...
What's just about organizations
that support women that kill children?
And eventually they decided it was negligence.
Negligence during pregnancy.
It's called murder.
What kind of mother does something like that?
The first thing I did when I was released
was looking for Tomas.
I didn't want to spend one more minute without him.
I lost two years. He's five now.
I wasn't there on his first day of school.
Because you were in prison, murderer.
So, now you want Tomas's custody.
We're going to a recess now.
When we return, I want to know
When we left Los Angeles,
I got a job taking care of an old lady
who was alone,
she had no family in the state.
She grew fond of me,
we moved in with her,
Tomas, Chris...
We all lived there for a while.
She never liked my relationship with Chris.
She loved me like a daughter,
because she never had kids of her own.
She'd always tell me to leave Chris,
that he wasn't good for me, that I deserved better,
and she told me
that she wanted me to have the house,
but she didn't trust him.
She didn't trust Chris.
She thought he'd make me sell it
so he could have the money,
so she left it to our child Tomas.
She named both of us executors.
That means that any decision about the kid's property
has to be made by the two of you.
Yes. Here's legal paperwork.
Hand them over to me.
Okay, great.
Thanks.
Chris, how do you reply?
What I want is...
It's unfair that she's here right now.
I want her to be evicted,
and a restraining order.
I want her to leave my son alone,
because she killed my first child.
I don't trust her...
No, she didn't kill your first child, Chris.
Your first child's name is Tomas, and he's alive.
He lives with you and he is five.
But she aborted on the sixth month.
She got an abortion outside the law.
It was an illegal abortion.
The child was in her womb.
Chris, I won't discuss with you
what the Supreme Court of the United States
has already decided many years ago,
and confirmed and reaffirmed
not long ago in several occasions.
It's called a fetus.
-No, it's a child. -It's not a child.
It's a child's life.
Would you kill it?
Why do you want an eviction order, Chris?
My child is well taken care of.
-I'm with a woman... -Is she living in the house?
She went to prison because she aborted my child.
Is she living with you right now?
Yes, but I don't want her there.
She got there without my permission.
It's my son's house.
She's a nuisance.
-My child is well taken care of. -Is he?
He goes to school...
Because the law requires it.
I teach him how to defend himself.
Was she a bad mother
during the three years she took care of him?
Was she a bad mother,
or a good mother?
It's bad to tell your kid,
"Your mother was in prison for 18 months."
That wasn't my question.
My question was,
during the three years she took care of Tomas,
did she take good care of him?
Yes, but I don't trust her.
You don't trust her because of what she did?
-Right. -Okay.
Why did you change so much during her second pregnancy?
Because things were bad.
She didn't work.
-I had to work. -I took care of the lady.
I had to make money any way I could,
and she didn't think of getting a job.
She'd only take care of Tomas
when we were together...
We didn't pay rent while we lived there.
Chris, your involvement in the gangs,
are they over?
I hang out with them.
That doesn't make me a bad person.
She stole with me.
You keep seeing people from the gang.
Yes.
-They're my homies. -Right, your homies.
She would steal with the same people.
Let's meet the defendant's witness.
Good afternoon, ma'am.
Good afternoon.
-Your name? -Sonia.
Sonia.
-Who are you? -I'm Chris's partner.
Chris's current partner.
Yes, his current partner.
Okay, we'll go to a short recess.
We've been together since she went to prison.
So, right after she went to prison,
you started a relationship.
No, we were friends before that.
We knew each other.
I had a partner, but it didn't work out.
He was alone,
I was alone, too,
so we got together.
Okay.
I've been there for the child. I've helped him.
He sees me as his mom, too.
I know I'm not his biological mom,
but I've helped him in every way I could.
I take him to school.
The boy grew fond of me.
Don't you have other children?
Yes, two.
-You have two children. -Yes, two.
They're almost the same age.
-They're the same age. -Okay.
Yes, they're six and seven years old.
They like each other, they get along,
but ever since she returned, the whole thing is ruined.
The boy is confused,
because he has two moms now.
But he grew fond of me and my kids.
Okay, perfect.
Let's see the plaintiff's witness.
I don't understand people.
They have a thing for two years
and they confuse kids.
The boy had to be told,
"This is daddy's new partner.
She's not your mom.
Call her by her name,"
so you don't confuse him.
-He knows that. -He has a mom.
He knows.
Isn't he confused?
The problem is her.
She's his mother.
We explained everything to him.
Okay.
Good afternoon. Your name is?
Good afternoon. My name is Maria.
I'm Georgina's mother.
I'm here to support my daughter.
Of course you are.
I came from Mexico.
I found out she was in trouble when she was in prison,
so I'm here to support her.
I sought help
in places where they help people
that have this kind of problem.
Besides, I don't want my daughter to...
You mean organizations that defend women.
That defend people like her.
Please, show some respect.
That man is vulgar.
He interrupts and doesn't let me talk.
What kind of organization helps people that murder kids?
I don't want him near my daughter.
Okay.
I want him out of my daughter's life.
I think their life as a couple is over.
They only need to solve
the problem of raising Tomas now.
I don't trust her, ma'am.
She's a murderer, she killed my child.
Here's the thing.
I don't trust extremist people like you.
You're such an extremist.
Yes, because...
You used to be in a gang, or still are,
and you think killing a fetus is homicide,
when you kill people,
you kill kids,
you sell drugs,
you make people become addicts,
you prostitute women...
To me, you're a hypocrite
talking about abortion,
when you have killed before.
So, please...
But that was my child.
She was with me when I did those things.
Send the experts in.
Doctor Carolyn Maldonado,
and the lawyer Lizette Sierra.
People's positions are so absurd
that sometimes I can't take it.
They think they will drive us crazy,
but they won't drive me crazy.
What a hypocrite.
A gangster complaining about killing a fetus.
That's in my past.
Okay.
Doctor, I want to talk about abortions with pills.
I've realized that...
There are certain places
where you get abortions via mail.
Yes.
Where the person can call,
talk to a doctor on the internet,
o through the phone,
and they send you pills.
One of the reasons
is the cheaper cost of the medicine.
They get it online.
Specifically in Australia this is being done a lot.
The patients fill a form,
a simple survey online,
and they get the pills via mail.
Sure, they have to do it
in a certain period during the pregnancy.
Regularly,
when should a woman get an abortion in terms of time?
A medical abortion is done within the first ten weeks.
At least in the U.S.
Within the first ten weeks.
Otherwise, there's a bleeding issue.
There's a big hemorrhage.
Exactly.
Doctor Sierra,
a similar case took place in Indiana.
It was Patel's case.
I'm troubled by that case.
Although it defends women's rights
to have access to legal abortions,
etcetera.
In her particular case,
the baby was born alive
and she threw it in the trash.
That's right.
Basically, the reasons why the case lost
didn't have to do with its terrible facts.
It was to not set a precedent against women,
because feticide laws
were made to protect pregnant women
from battery, assault, and things like that.
So, it was meant to give bigger punishments
to people that attack pregnant women.
It wasn't supposed to punish
women that got abortions.
But they used the worst possible case.
Yes.
This case leaves a nasty taste.
It sets a horrible precedent,
because what that woman did was terrible.
Her child was born alive.
All right, good.
I notice there's a lot of anger in this case.
I don't think...
Besides, I notice a person that is tied to his beliefs.
He insists time after time
that she's a murderer.
This isn't a murder case.
Okay.
Not even your own children are well taken care of.
In this case, custody will be shared.
This means she'll spend a week with Tomas,
and then you'll spend a week with Tomas.
One week each.
If anything happens to Tomas...
-I'll be held responsible. -I'll come after you.
Don't be an idiot.
You're threatening me on air.
Go ahead. I don't care.
I'm not afraid of you.
Your barks are worse than your bite.
You don't bite.
So I'm not scared.
What kind of woman puts a child at risk like that?
She's been a great mom to Tomas.
You never said anything about her being a bad mom.
Her case is not like the one about the woman in Indiana.
It's very different.
And I'm sure you were a terrible husband
and even pushed her to do it.
One week with her, one week with you.
Now, what about the house?
Because you all live in Tomas's house.
All of you. Like squatters.
-Not all of us. I left. -I'll give you a choice.
You can sell the house and split the money.
But its Tomas's house, so I doubt a probate judge
would allow that.
So you'll get another place.
That way, when she's with Tomas, you can stay somewhere else.
And you'll get an apartment
so that you can move out when they're with Tomas.
Tomas and the house are a package deal.
Don't you think this is a ruling
any judge would make for such a case?
It's done.
Any judge of this country would rule like I did
in a similar case. -If anything happens to Tomas...
Shut up. And stop threatening me. Don't be stupid.
I can have you arrested for open threat.
That's what you're doing, okay? Don't be an idiot.
And don't act like you're a great dad. You're not.
That's my ruling. I have spoken.
Case closed.
She's prostituting my son's mother. We'll take a break and be back with more
Learn as much as you can.
Respect others to be respected.
May God watch over us all.
See you next time. Thanks for watching.
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