EVENING. ARI MELBER IS IN FOR RACHEL.
>> GOOD EVENING. AT HOLE FOR JOINING US, RACHEL
IS STILL UNDER THE WEATHER BUT WE HAVE SOME BIG NEWS BREAKING.
SO BIG THAT WE WILL BE HEARING FROM RACHEL HERSELF.
THAT'S IN A FEW MOMENTS. IT IS FRIDAY NIGHT AND THE A.P.
IS REPORTING THE RUSSIA PROBE IS WIDENING.
SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER INCLUDING IN HIS INQUIRY A PROBE
INTO PAUL MANAFORT. AS FOR MAN A FORT, HIS POLITICAL
WORK HAS BEEN WIDELY REPORTED. NBC CONFIRMING THE PROSECUTORS
HAVE REVIEWED HIS ADVOCACY FOR PRO KREMLIN FORCES IN UKRAINE
AND THAT CAME BEFORE HE LINKED UP WITH TRUMP IN 2016.
MANAFORT'S WINTER SECRET PAYMENTS SURFACED RIGHT BEFORE
HE SPLIT WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
THE A.P. SAYING THAT HE WILL REVIEW THAT REVIEW OF MANAFORT.
THAT'S NOT GREAT NEWS FOR THE WHITE HOUSE BUT IT DOES NOT
AUTOMATICALLY UNDERCUT THEIR ARGUMENT THAT TRUMP HAS
ELIMINATED HIS TIES TO MANAFORT AND IT MIGHT HAVE LITTLE TO DO
WITH THE CORE OF THE CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT.
THE OTHER PART OF PARX REPORT DOES NAME CHECK.
CURRENT NEW TRUMP OFFICIALS INCLUDING THE MAN WHO JUST
PICKED MUELLER FOR THIS JOB. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS TONIGHT.
THE PARX REPORTING THAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL, MUELLER, MAY
EXPAND HIS INQUIRY TO INCLUDE THE TOP TWO DOJ OFFICIALS, JEFF
SESSIONS AND ROD ROSENSTEIN. THEY SAID THAT NOW DISCREDITED
LETTER RECOMMENDING THAT TRUMP FIRE JAMES COMEY FOR ONE REASON.
THAT COMEY WAS ALLEGEDLY UNFAIR TO HILLARY CLINTON.
WHICH PRESIDENT TRUMP LATER SAID WAS NOT THE REAL OR ONLY REASON
HE FIRED COMEY. ROSENSTEIN WROTE A MEDICAL OVER
AND BOTH HE AND SESSIONS DISCUSS THAT HAD FIRING WITH TRUMP,
DESPITE SESSIONS WITHDRAWING HIM FROM THE RUSSIA PROBE.
TRUMP SAYING THAT CAUSED THE FIRING BUT THEN TRUMP ADMITTED
THAT WAS NOT TRUE IN AN INTERVIEW WITH NBC'S LESTER
HOLT. >> DID YOU ASK FOR A
RECOMMENDATION? >> WHAT DID I WAS I WAS GOING TO
FIRE COMEY. MY DECISION.
IT WAS NOT -- >> YOU HAD MADE THE DECISION
BEFORE -- >> I WAS GOING TO FIRE COMEY.
THERE'S NO GOOD TIME TO DO IT, BY THE WAY.
>> IN YOUR LETTER, YOU SAID I ACCEPTED THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
YOU HAD ALREADY MADE THE DECISION.
>> I WAS GOING TO FIRE HIM REGARDLESS.
HE MADE A RECOMMENDATION. HE IS HIGHLY RESPECTED.
A VERY GOOD GUY, VERY SMART GUY. THE DEMOCRATS LIKE HIM.
THE REPUBLICANS LIKE HIM. HE MADE A RECOMMENDATION.
BUT REGARDLESS OF RECOMMENDATION, I WAS GOING TO
FIRE COMEY KNOWING THERE WAS NO GOOD TIME TO DO IT.
IN FACT, WHEN I DECIDED TO JUST DO IT, I SAID TO MYSELF, I SAID,
YOU KNOW, THIS RUSSIA THING WITH TRUMP AND RUSSIA IS A MADE-UP
STORY. >> NOW, THAT INTERVIEW, WHEN YOU
LISTEN TO IT, IT DID MORE THAN JUST THROW THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT UNDER THE BUS. IT MADE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
VULNERABLE AT LEAST TO AN ALLEGATION THAT IT WAS PART OF
AN EFFORT TO MISLEAD THE WHOLE NATION ABOUT THE FIRST FIRING OF
AN FBI DIRECTOR WITHOUT CAUSE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
THAT'S A BIG DEAL. AND A LOT OF THAT IS STILL
REVERBERATING, AS YOU KNOW, WITHIN DAYS, ROSENSTEIN
RESPONDED TO THAT BY APPOINTING MUELLER AS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL
AND THEN HE GAVE A VERY UNUSUAL PRIVATE BRIEFING TO THAT
BIPARTISAN GATHERING OF THE SENATE AND THEN HE WENT QUIET.
NO PRESS RELEASES, NO SPEECHES, DEFINITELY NO FORT MEADE
INTERVIEWS UNTIL TONIGHT. ROD ROSENSTEIN SPOKE TO THE
MEDIA FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE IT BROKE UP.
HE SPOKE ABOUT RUSSIA AND WHETHER THE MAN APPOINTED TO RUN
THIS INQUIRY HAS THE ABILITY TO INVESTIGATE HIM, ROD ROSENSTEIN.
HERE'S WHAT HE SAID TONIGHT. I'VE TALKED WITH DIRECTOR
MUELLER ABOUT THIS. HE IS GOING TO MAKE THE
APPROPRIATE ADDITIONS AND IF ANYTHING DID I WINDS UP BEING
RELEVANT TO HIS INVESTIGATION, IF THERE'S A NEED FOR ME TO
RECUSE, I WILL. A SPOKESMAN FOR MR. MUELLER IN
THE ARTICLE DECLINED TO COMMENT. HERE'S WHY THIS MATTERS.
EVEN IF THIS IS TO BE CLEAR, A HYPOTHETICAL POINT.
MUELLER HAS INDEPENDENCE BUT ROSENSTEIN OVERSEES HIM.
ROSENSTEIN WAS INVOLVED IN THAT UNUSUAL ROLLOUT OF A LAW
ENFORCEMENT FIRING THAT AT LEAST SOME PEOPLE THINK SHOULD BE
INVESTIGATED AS POTENTIAL OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
IF MUELLER GOES DOWN THAT ROAD, CAN ROSENSTEIN LIMIT HIS
AUTHORITY? EVEN IF HE DOESN'T, HOW DO YOU
REALLY CLEARLY AND FORTHRIGHTLY INVESTIGATE YOUR OWN BOSS?
WELL, TONIGHT THE NEWS HERE ON THE RECORD FOR THE FIRST TIME IN
AN INTERVIEW, IS ROSENSTEIN SAYING HE WILL GET OUT OF THE
WAY. HE WILL RECUSE HIMSELF IF NEED
BE. MAYBE THE RUSSIA PROBE WILL DIE
DOWN AND NONE OF THIS STUFF THAT THEY'RE PUTTING OUT WILL BE
RELEVANT. MAYBE ROSENSTEIN WANTS A
SECONDARY KIND OF A PUBLIC REASON NOT TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF
THIS AGAIN. BY CALLING UP THE A.P. ON A
FRIDAY NIGHT AND PUTTING THIS ON THE RECORD, MAYBE HE THINKS THAT
ALLOWS HIM TO SAY LATER, TO CONGRESS, THAT THIS IS A MATTER
UNDER POTENTIAL INVESTIGATION AND HE CAN'T DISCUSS IT.
WE'VE HEARD THOSE DEFENSES BEFORE.
OR MAYBE THIS IS THE FIRST OF MANY ROUNDS IN THE SHADOW BOXING
OVER THIS INCREASINGLY STICKY PROBE AS MUELLER MAKES CLEAR
RIGHT NOW THAT HE HAS A BROAD MANDATE.
BASICALLY DARING HIS BOSS TO DISAGREE.
AND ROSENSTEIN IS SAYING THE RIGHT THING BEFORE WHAT?
BEFORE WHAT WE KNOW IS COMING. THE BIG DAYS OF TESTIMONY ON
CAPITOL HILL. FROM JAMES COMEY NEXT WEEK AND
SOON AFTER FROM SESSIONS AND ROSENSTEIN.
OR MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A COMBINATION OF ALL THOSE
DYNAMICS. AFTER WEEKS OF BLERS ESPIONAGE,
ANONYMOUS LEAKS AND COMPLAINTS ABOUT THOSE UNDERLYING LEAKS,
TONIGHT WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE MAJOR PLAYER SPEAKING OUT UNDER
HIS OWN NAIL IN THE LIGHT OF DAY.
JOINING US NOW, ERIC TUCKER, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT REPORTER FOR
THE A.P. WHO BROKE THIS STORY. THANK YOU FOR JOINING TONIGHT.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> YOU BROKE THIS STORY. IT IS SIGNIFICANT FOR MANY
REASONS. CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT HOW
IT CAME TOGETHER AND HOW IT WAS THAT ROD ROSENSTEIN GAVE YOU
THIS FIRST ON THE RECORD INTERVIEW ABOUT THIS HOT TOPIC?
>> SO ACTUALLY, ROD SPOKE WITH A COLLEAGUE OF MINE, SADIE, AND IT
WAS A WIDE REACHING CONVERSATION ABOUT SOME OF HIS PRIORITIES AS
THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL. AND DURING THE COURSE OF THAT
CONVERSATION HE WAS ASKED ABOUT THE SCOPE AND THE PURVIEW OF HAD
SPECIAL COUNSEL MUELLER'S MANDATE AND IT WAS VERY BROAD TO
INCLUDE ANYTHING THAT HE POTENTIALLY DID, ANYTHING THAT
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DID, AND HE SAID AS YOU INDICATED A FEW
MINUTES AGO, THAT IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT ROD ROSENSTEIN
HIMSELF DID, THAT IT IS CONSIDERED TO BE RELEVANT TO THE
INVESTIGATION, HE SAID HE'LL GO AHEAD AND RECUSE HIMSELF.
>> ERIC, THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE VIEW OF SOME PEOPLE INSIDE
THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE WHO PUBLICLY OPPOSED ANY SPECIAL
COUNSEL AND HAVE CERTAINLY TAKEN THE POSITION, WHATEVER THE
RUSSIA PROBE IS, IT SHOULD NOT GO INTO THE FIRING OF JAMES
COMEY. >> RIGHT.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ONE PAGE MANDATE THAT WAS ISSUED SEVERAL
WEEKS AGO BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, IT CLEARLY GIVES A
FAIRLY SWEEPING MANDATE TO BOB MUELLER AND I THINK EVERYBODY
WHO KNOWS BOB MUELLER ANTICIPATES THAT HE WILL PULL
ALL THE RELEVANT STRINGS HE WANTS TO.
CERTAINLY AT THE FOCAL POINT OF THIS INVESTIGATION IS POTENTIAL
COLLUSION BETWEEN MOSCOW AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN BUT THAT ALSO
LOOKS AT ANY POTENTIAL ASSOCIATES OF PRESIDENT TRUMP
WHICH WOULD INCLUDE HIS CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN, PAUL MANAFORT AND
COULD IT INCLUDE ALLEGATIONS OF PERJURY, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE,
OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT. >> IN THIS AP INTERVIEW, DID YOU
GET INTO JIM COMEY'S COMING TESTIMONY?
>> NO. >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE
MANAFORT PIECE OF IT. FOR OUR VIEWERS, A LOT OF PEOPLE
HAVE TRACKED TRUMP IN DIFFERENT TIMES UNDER REVIEW.
WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO YOU THAT THIS IS NOW UNDER MUELLER'S
PURVIEW? >> IT'S INTERESTING.
AS YOU NOTED THE MANAFORT INVESTIGATION PREDATES THE
COLLUSION INVESTIGATION, IT IS TRULY OPERATING ON A SEPARATE
TRACK OF A CRIMINAL FINANCIAL FRAUD TIME INVESTIGATION.
SO CLEARLY, AS THEY'RE BUILDING UP THEIR TEAM, AS THEY'RE
DEVELOPING THEIR RESOURCES, AS THEY'RE GATHERING STEAM AS PART
OF THIS INVESTIGATION, THEY'RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT
SORT OF OUTSTANDING THREADS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE
THE POTENTIAL TIES OR CONNECTIONS THAT UNITE ALL OF
THEM UNDER A SINGLE PERSON AND A SINGLE LEADERSHIP.
IN A LOT OF WAYS, IT IS NOT THAT SURPRISING.
>> WHEN YOU LOOK TOWARD JAMES COMEY'S EXPECTED TESTIMONY THIS
THURSDAY, FOR YOU, WHAT IS THE BIGGEST QUESTION YOU WOULD HAVE
FOR HIM OR WANT TO HEAR FROM HIM ON?
>> I THINK WE'LL HEAR ABOUT HIS ENCOUNTERS WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP
IN THE WEEKS AND MONTHS THAT PREDATED HIS FIRING.
ONE THING THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, INTERESTING ABOUT JIM
COMEY, HE IS KNOWN TO HAVE KEPT ACTUAL MEMOS, FORMAL WRITTEN
MEMOS THAT HE WOULD WRITE UP WITH ENCOUNTERS THAT MADE HIM
UNCOMFORTABLE. AND WE KNOW THAT DID HE THIS IN
FEBRUARY AFTER AN OVAL OFFICE MEETING IN WHICH HE SAYS
PRESIDENT TRUMP ASKED HIM IF HE WOULD CONSIDER ENDING THE
INVESTIGATION INTO MICHAEL FLYNN WHO WAS OF COURSE PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S FIRST NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER.
I THINK THE SENATE WILL BE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT AND I THINK
FORMER DIRECTOR COMEY
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