-Welcome to the show. -Thank you for having me.
-Stacey! Stacey! -You got some fans here.
I know this is a very busy time for you.
Obviously, you are campaigning.
And not only are you campaigning,
but if you were to win this election,
you would be the first African-American female governor
in this country. So this is a very --
[ Cheers and applause ]
-I've heard tell. -Yeah.
-You have received national attention
for your strategy in Georgia.
You have made it clear that you are not trying to
flip Trump voters or attract Republican votes.
You are focusing on Democratic turnout
and attracting new voters.
What brought you to this strategy?
-Math. -Math, okay.
[ Laughter ]
-I mean, look. I want every vote
that I can get, but what I've seen happen
for the last few years is that you've had candidates
who pretend to be something they're not,
trying to convince those who do not agree with them
that, somehow, this time, it's real.
My approach is, every Democratic voter we can get,
especially those who don't think their voices matter,
and independent thinkers who realize they are heading down
the wrong path if they don't vote for a Democrat this time.
And there are enough of us to win an election.
-And... [ Cheers and applause ]
...is this -- Do you feel --
Is this something you get pushback on?
Do people --
At a level, maybe, at the party level, say to you, no,
that the key to moving forward is convincing people
who voted for Donald Trump that you are the answer?
-If you go back before I won the primary,
there were lots of stories about how wrongheaded I was
and how this is a novel strategy to win voters to agree with you
and to talk to voters to get them to agree with you,
and then to tell them, to agree with you, they should vote.
That is our field strategy.
And there has been some pushback because...
we want to believe that it's easier
to get those who vote all the time.
But the reality is, the people who do not vote
don't vote because we haven't given them a reason to vote.
They haven't heard their issues reflected in the candidates.
[ Cheers and applause ]
And my responsibility is to have conversations,
to talk about my personal debt,
because debt is not new in America,
to talk about the challenges my brother
who faces mental-health challenges
and drug-addiction challenges,
who's making his life anew after coming out of jail.
We need to talk about him,
because my brother is other people's brothers.
We have to talk about medical access.
[ Cheers and applause ]
And we have to talk about all of these things
so that people know there's a reason
to take time off from your second shift at your third job
to go and cast a ballot.
-Now, you do not know your opponent yet.
There is still a runoff election for the Republicans.
One of the two has this campaign ad.
-Yes. -This -- I think it was
an attempt to be humorous. The ad was that --
This was a boy who was interested in his daughter.
And in the ad, he's pointing a gun at him.
-Yes. [ Light laughter ]
-Now, when you see that, do you think, "Oh, this is great.
I'm gonna make hay with this,"
or do you look at that and go, "Oh, boy. I don't know."
-I do know him.
And what I would say is, as someone who learned how to shoot
when I was growing up in Mississippi,
the first thing you learn is you don't do that.
[ Laughter ] -Yeah.
-That Firearm 101 is, don't point it at people.
-Yeah.
-Because Firearm 102 is, you go to prison.
So, you keep it pointed down. -Yeah.
-Or, you know --
It is an interesting approach to try to convince people
they can trust you with their lives.
-Uh, yeah. That is a good way of putting it.
[ Cheers and applause ]
I want to talk about your book.
So you wrote this book, "Minority Leader."
This is about, obviously, the challenges you faced
reaching out to communities who, maybe, feel underrepresented
when it comes to the electoral process.
Not the first book you have written.
-No, it is not.
-And the other books you have written were under a pen name.
-Yes. -What was your pen name?
-So, I also wrote as Selena Montgomery.
-And what did Selena Montgomery write?
-She wrote romantic suspense novels.
[ Laughter and applause ]
-So, now, what made you --
What made you use a pen name when writing that?
-So, I wrote my first romantic suspense novel
while I was a third-year student at Yale Law School.
-Mm-hmm. -I also wrote a scintillating
article on the operational dissonance
of the unrelated business income tax exemption.
-Okay. -Whoo!
-And they were coming out at the same time.
Google was just the thing.
And it seemed to me that no one would read
a romance novel by Alan Greenspan.
-Right. [ Laughter ]
-So, I came up with a second name.
By the way, it seems like if you were writing the tax one...
-Yes. -...you wouldn't have time
to write the suspenseful romance one.
How did you multitask to get them both done?
-I'm very flexible in my writing styles.
-Okay, gotcha. [ Laughter ]
I do want to ask about "Rules of Engagement."
-Yes. -This is your first book?
-This is my very first book. -Okay.
And what was the inspiration for "Rules of Engagement"?
-My ex-boyfriend -- I read his dissertation.
He's a chemical physicist.
We were still friendly at the time he sent to me.
We're still friendly now, too. I want to be clear.
But at the time, I read his dissertation,
and he had this interesting chemical,
and it became the premise of the book.
What I decided to do was to make it a spy novel.
But I remembered I was angry with him,
so he languishes in prison
in this book for the rest of his life.
-Okay. [ Laughter ]
And did you find that cathartic?
-It was very cathartic, yeah. -Okay, gotcha.
And he didn't even know.
He was like, "I thought I was dating Stacey, not Selena!"
-Well, I did send him a copy of the book.
When I was telling him about the premise,
he was you like, "You can't. None of these things are true."
I'm like, "This is why we broke up,
'cause you have no imagination." [ Laughter ]
-Should you win, you will have you a national platform.
As a governor, from a state house,
how do you address the Trump presidency?
How do you address issues like the travel ban
that was upheld today?
-Well, I will say this -- one of the things I talk about
in "Minority Leader" is the necessity of giving voice
to those who feel voiceless.
And the travel ban is a perfect example
of why a governor is so important.
We have to have moral leadership in this country,
and people have to hear themselves talked about,
especially in the face of the abomination
that we see happening in the White House every day.
And for me, the opportunity is to use the position
of the governor, especially in the deep South,
to say, "You're welcome," that you belong,
and that there are people who are looking out for you.
And 2020 is coming. -All right.
Well, thank you so much for being here.
-Can I say one thing? -Yeah, of course.
-So, my digital team --
[ Cheers and applause ]
So, I have an amazing digital team,
and I promised them that I would, number one,
say you are so awesome and so smart.
-Oh, that's so kind of you. -And I mean it.
-Number two, I have to say StaceyAbrams.com
is my website in case people want to learn more about me.
-Okay. StaceyAbrams.com, there you go.
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