- Okay, come on.
- Okay.
(roaring)
- Argh!
Uh, uh!
- Are you okay?
- [Owen] I'm okay.
(light melodic music)
- Some movies just demand a deeper dive,
I'm Josh Hororwitz and on this episode of Seen It Spill It,
we're getting you all the answers you want
about Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom
from director, JA Bayona
and writer/producer, Colin Trevorrow.
Ian Malcolm's return, new dinosaurs,
gruesome deaths, classic callbacks,
so let's get into it all, JA, Colin, welcome.
What out of Jurassic World
affected Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom,
can you cite any specific examples?
- Yeah, a bunch of things, one is I felt like, you know,
Jurassic World was not really a suspense movie,
it was more of just a big action adventure movie
and the suspense and the tight, claustrophobic terror
of these sequences in the latter half of Jurassic Park
are such a big part of the DNA of the franchise
and that's just not something that we provided
the audience in that movie very much
and that was part of the motivation,
both to bring in JA and to bring the story
into a space that would allow for it.
There was one section in the script
from when they open the door
into that library with the indoraptor
all the way to the point, when Maisie, you know,
gets in the dumb waiter and goes into her room,
I think that was just the one section,
usually we write out the action sequences in detail,
that was the one where I just said,
this is like a blistering drum solo of Bayonian suspense,
(laughing)
like I just, and then so everything you see there
is JA just doing this.
- Amazing, you know, there are a number of, it seems,
visual nods to earlier Jurassic films in this,
how did those develop?
Was that sort of something when you're story-boarding,
thinking this could be a nice nod to Spielberg
and an inside kind of thing for the audience,
can you cite any specific ones that you wanted to include?
- One of the last shots of the movie
is you see the characters, Owen, Claire and Maisie in a car
and they look through the window
and they see these pteranodons flying over the ocean,
it's exactly the same shot that you see
at the end of Jurassic Park,
but in Jurassic Park, it's not pteranodons, it's birds,
- [Josh] Right.
- So it's like I was telling, okay,
this is an emotional connection with that film,
we smile watching that shot,
but the message is totally different,
it's not birds anymore, it's dinosaurs,
so it's the world upside down.
- [Josh] There's also, I don't know if I'm reading
too much into this, there seems to be a callback
to Raiders of the Lost Ark
in a shot of Owen running on the island,
- Yeah, sure. - Is that a nod to Raiders?
- There's a couple of those,
there's also like a big explosion,
when they are running towards the boat
and that's the same kind of framing that you have
in the explosion of the plane in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
- Right.
- You know, when you do one of these films,
you work on the story, you try to make it
the most effective possible on the screen,
but you try to have fun, - Right.
- so the audience will capture that, will get that too.
- The first shot of Claire in this film begins on her heels,
was that a way of kind of addressing Heelgate
from the last time or?
- No, it wasn't, it was JA's choice to,
he wanted to mirror her entrance from the first movie,
what was in our script was just
that the elevator didn't work
and that it was like it was ga-ga-ga-ga-ga,
it's all so smooth in the first one
- Right.
- and so that was communicating like
that she was in a different place in life.
But yeah, his call was to, well, let's see, you know,
let's bring her in kind of in that same way
and then the choice to wear heels again was Bryce,
you know, she had very clear opinions about this
and we support them.
- In something like this, I mean,
Pratt in particular, Chris essentially, the wit,
just in day to day life, is this the kind of thing
where like you can improvise a moment
or contribute something on set,
is there anything that Chris or Bryce or anybody
kind of brought to the table on the day,
that made the cut. - Yeah, yeah,
yeah and I gave her a lot of space
to the actors to do that,
because they work so well together,
they know so well each other and they have this chemistry,
that I, and of course, Pratt is so good improvising
that, it's just like, do two takes and the third one,
you do whatever you want, you know.
- Right, did any of those kind of third ones,
that would pop into you, that--
- Yeah, that line of, "You're the one who made me come."
- Yeah, yeah, yeah,
"You're the one who made me come here."
- Yeah. - Oh right, that's him?
- Yeah. - Amazing.
- No, but he's a lot of fun, but he's a very brilliant guy,
- He is a very brilliant guy. - brilliant guy,
I remember shooting that scene of the,
with the T-Rex inside the truck,
he was the guy who came to me and said,
"We need to finish this thing
"with me going through the mouth of the T-Rex, you know,"
- Amazing. - and I thought
that's brilliant, I don't know how we're going to do it,
but that's brilliant. (laughing)
- Easy for you to say. - We have to shoot
two days after, it was like, well, that's a lot of work,
but okay, let's do it.
- Thanks a lot, Chris. - Yeah
and he did it, he, - He did.
- that's him rolling, yeah, he actually did it,
it's an amazing stunt. - Yeah.
- [Josh] Were Jake Johnson and Lauren Lapkus
ever in the script?
- There was actually a brief moment,
when we had thought of Jake as Franklin's character
- Oh really?
- and very, very early on and then we were just like,
you know, we just wanna introduce new people,
we wanna have new, I don't wanna say youthful energy,
'cause he's a, (laughs) Jake's a friend of mine
and we're similar ages, but I think it's important
that we introduce new faces, yeah.
- We were talking about sort of like,
you know, these legacy characters,
is there ever any consideration of mentioning characters,
that don't necessarily appear on screen,
mentioning the Alan Grant etc.
as just sort of a nod in the script?
- We felt like this was Malcolm's return,
this was his moment. - Let him have his moment.
- You know, let him have his moment,
I feel that way with everyone, especially with Laura,
in that she never got to have her own movie,
- Yeah. - and you know,
and that I identified as being something that's important
and I feel like you know, this moment with Goldblum,
because he had this very, you know,
clear set of ethical questions,
that he was able to pose for everybody,
we just wanted to put the spotlight on him.
- In your heads, do you know where the original kids are
in your universe, like what happened to them?
- You know, they probably didn't go to Jurassic World.
- No, let's hope not. (laughing)
- They don't want anything to do with that.
- They're smart enough to not do that.
Do you feel like an obligation
to pay off certain expectations in terms of,
like we talked about the legacy characters,
it feels like some in the audience might feel robbed,
if by the end of this third film,
sure, we get Ian Malcolm, but we never get to see,
- Right. - Alan Grant.
- I totally agree with that, I would feel robbed too.
- Okay, so read into that what you will.
If you skip through the credits,
there is a short moment worth sticking around for.
Was that always scripted?
Were there different ideas for what the last visual
would be, when you leave the theater?
- We changed some of the imaginary of the epilogue,
there is, we did some changes.
- Was it always a dinosaur in Vegas?
Was that always the-- - Well, I think at one point,
it was in the end, it was in the section,
where Malcolm is talking about - Yeah.
- the change. - Part of that montage
kind of thing? - It just didn't fit.
- Yeah, we took out that moment from the epilogue,
because it was the only moment that was shot at nighttime
and it felt bad, it felt wrong.
- Got it, it just stuck out, yeah.
- So we decided to take it out
and there was a moment I too coordinate,
this was we have these shots,
why don't we put them at the end?
It's gonna be like an extra,
like a gift for the fans, you know.
- Right, any others like-- - you've like named
Jurassic World: Vegas now.
- Right, I was gonna say. - All in Vegas.
- I was gonna say, is the third one called
Jurassic World: Vegas? - Oh yes,
I'll let people, I'll let-- - I like the irony,
that you think that they're in Paris, you know, so,
- Right. (laughing)
- and of course, it's impossible
to get the tyranos in Paris,
you discover that it's not actually
- Right. - the real
Eiffel Tower, you know.
- [Josh] I noticed in the credits,
Guillermo del Toro is thanked.
- Yeah, I do it all the time, you know,
he produced my first movie, you know,
he's kind of like a mentor to me
and it's so great from time to time
to call him and ask for advice, you know
and I showed him the cut, yeah, and he loved it.
- Any specific notes or ideas of his, that made it in?
- No, I remember that he just, he was watching the movie
and after 10 minutes, he look at me
and he say, "Okay, relax." (laughing)
he said that, "Bayona, relax." (laughing)
- So you certainly live up to the title,
by the end of this film, we are truly in a Jurassic World.
What are the implications going forward
for this third film in the trilogy,
given where we leave things off
in Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom?
- Well, I feel like, you know,
J has found a way to humanize the idea of cloning
and to make us care about the dinosaurs
in a way that we never have before,
we started down that path in Jurassic World
with the apatosaurus and in this film,
I think he's found a way to really, you know,
shift our relationship with the dinosaurs
and have us consider them as animals
- Right. - and I think
that just brings in a whole other kind of dynamic,
a whole other world in which, you know,
we now have to interact with these creatures
in the same way we interact with animals today
and they're in the jungle with Mighty Chew,
they're in zoos, they're used for agriculture and you know,
medical study and potentially war, all of those reasons,
but just the very idea that like, you know,
don't go into that field, - Right.
- is, I think it's very wish fulfillment.
- Going back to being a fan of this franchise,
for the next one, letting this guy get back in the trenches,
what do you wanna see, just I'm curious,
just like having gone through this,
what would you like to see in the next Jurassic?
- You know, I wanna be surprised,
I think the possibilities are incredible,
when you see the movie at the end,
you open the gate to a world that you've never seen before,
it's very interesting,
I think it's gonna be great to see the movie.
- What you're not gonna see
is all the sweaty, late-night phone calls
from me to Bayona, like oh my God, what do I do?
(laughing)
That'll never happen.
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