This is DeliveranceMiniistry.FM video cast number 33.
Welcome to once again another episode of Deliverance Ministry.fm where we give you proven insights,
both the demonic realm and deliverance ministry so you can be more effective in waging spiritual
warfare.
Dr Don Ibbitson here again and uh, and blessed as always to have my colleague Dr Phyllis
Tarbox sitting beside me.
Thank you, Don.
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It's a topic that we hear about from people from time to time they and you mentioned,
you probably hear it in church where they talk about being involved in Yoga, in Yoga
classes, going after the idol.
We're going to talk about it, we're going to give you our perspective.
Obviously you can see from the title for this podcast is called the say yoga and open door
for demonic torment.
We're not big fans of it and we're going to tell you why I'm at the end of it, give you
hopefully some other alternatives and things you can look at that, that will be more helpful
to you.
Um, want to encourage you to listen to the end.
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So we'll talk about that at the end.
So let's move right into it to the discussion today.
As I mentioned, it is quite a controversial topic.
I'm quite frankly, men get some, get offended when you, when you don't turn us off yet.
Yeah, don't get here.
Right.
If you'd please just listen to this year.
Um, and, and many just don't see a problem with it.
And then we'll talk about the whole concept of Christian Yoga classes as well that's out
there.
So we want to give you our insights and hopefully add some white to the discussion and not any
smoke.
So let's start off and just move right into it.
Phyllis can tell us what is your, what's behind it?
Well, Don, it's a Hindu spiritual anesthetic discipline.
Part of it includes a breathing control and meditation and the adoption of specific body
postures which originated ancient India.
So the actual, the word Yoga Means Union.
I found that interesting and the goal of it is to unite ones transitory or temporary self
with the Infinite Brahman, the Hindu concept of God.
This God is not a literal being, but it's an impersonal spiritual substance that is
one with nature and the cosmos.
It's much different than the Jesus.
We worship and I know this.
It's pantheism and the belief is that that everything is God and that that reality consists
only of the universe and nature because everything is God.
The Yoga philosophy makes no distinction between man and God.
So it's.
Yes, it's very different.
It's some of these concepts.
Are you talking about the whole pantheism and the view of the world and cosmos?
I mean, they can make your head hurt.
Just kind of makes me think a new age.
I don't know.
He just breaks over that involved in it, but it's just like, it's just gets very esoteric.
It's just hard to wrap your mother earth and all these different things.
Exactly.
Right.
Um, so, you know, the origin of it is from India, so it's, it's originated in the Hindu
religion.
So, you know, one of the things that we always talk about is when you're good at this, about
if the tree is planted and it's an orange tree, it should produce orange.
Orange is right.
Well, if the trees should produce healthy fruit, well if it's to Hindi tree and its
roots are in Hinduism, it's going to produce the spiritual effects of Hinduism.
Right?
So yes, so I'm always thought that's my simple analogy on all of these things when I talk
to people, well, what's wrong with the, well, if it's rooted and grounded in Hinduism, then
you're going to get some spiritual component to it that certain regarding that and who
knew the whole notion of Karma.
You hear the word Karma, and so what's the simplest explanation that we want to use here
to we help people understand the concept of Karma.
Yoga is metaphysics, so yogas metaphysics center around the quest to attain liberation
from one's conditioning caused by past Karma.
So Karma includes like baggage from prior lives and underscoring the importance of reincarnation
actually too.
And so that's the way they look at it.
It's like that cleansing.
When you're reincarnated, you're dumping all your Karma from your past lives.
Yeah.
I have like a purification process.
What you did in the past life is kinda now it's paid back today.
That's where you have people say, well, I was planning on coming back and reaping what
you may be sold in an earlier life, which of course is completely non-biblical.
Okay, I see.
It's true.
Yeah, you're reaping and sowing the.
So the metaphysics part of it is, is really, um, at the big thing with the Karma.
But then there's also the postures.
So we've got the big thing that people focus on.
The whole thing of yoga involves doing what?
Certain exercises, positions, right?
Right.
So what, what's the significance of the postures that are offered?
They offered, they were, they originally set up to be offered to get this $330 million
Hindu gods.
That's a lot of God.
You don't have to memorize and recite them by name or any kind of certificate that would
struggle.
We've got one, right?
Yoga postures are, they are, they're offering to these gods.
So if you do these postures, so if you do the postures and you do the breathing technique
and the meditation, because there's really three parts to it.
It's not just the spirits, all the postures, the breathing and the meditation, then you'll
be accepted by this God, little g God.
And that's the real danger.
So, you know, so the postures are one.
The other part is the breathing and the breathing is, um, I'm going to say this properly, Pranayama
breathing.
Prana is the Hindu word for life force and the same concept as the word ci in some martial
arts.
So Yoga, breathing attempts to manipulate life energy right now, that pretty much the
spiritual side of doing some breathing aspects to the, to the, to, to, to Yoga, right?
So it's more than just breathing is more than just filling an exercising your, your lungs
if you like.
There are, it's, you're trying, you're trying to tap into this spiritual component, right?
You're trying to manipulate the life energy and you know, and so you know, and if he's
in two Tutu, that's what makes me think of it is you know, Satan is the prince in power
of the air.
So we're not talking about oxygen here.
That's an, that is an interesting thing.
The other thing with the prince of this world, but Prince of the year, that's really interesting.
Yeah, because to focus on that spending of manipulating the energy in the air and breathing
it in, and that really is, it's biblically, it's talked about that, that is exactly the
demonic realm where the seat and he was the prince of the air, like you said, say you're
assuming a position you breathing in this Pranayama breathing, so you're, you know,
meditating on and doing that.
So the third area is, is that meditation piece that comes along with this, those are stretching
things too, or they're involved in dressings are the postures that you take, you know,
like there's different postures that prey to Shivah and different things like that.
Those are the positions that it can be taxing on your body that that's the stretching part
of your body will fade, very gifted to be able to hold some of these poses.
I got cetera.
But the third area of it is, um, the meditation or the emptying of the mind and that the pastor
postures, first of all, and the breathing.
And then the third one is the, is the mind emptying.
So the meditation, it's basically the meditation part.
It's, you know, emptying it along so you know, you could, you can focus on this energy and
whatever, but you know, the, our scripture says we are transformed by the renewing of
our mind, not the emptying of it right now.
That's got to be such a difficult thing because our minds are always working on things were
coming in as
well.
It seems like in a, you know, people whose thinking about something.
The Bible talks about taking your thoughts captive and you're right, renewing our mind.
But Gosh, I just the whole concept of emptying your mind and what's.
So the idea behind that is as you, as you empty the mind, what does that allow supposedly
in the yoga?
Well, in the high, in the higher spiritual levels of this, the Yoga Guy, Yoga guides
people into astral travel, which is where people actually leave their bodies.
So it's more like the, you know, leaving the bodies and elevating it.
Higher levels of which people actually do.
I mean, that isn't a core practice work.
So this, so this people many times involved in yoga.
It doesn't mean everybody who does yoga yesterday is doing no astral travel, but you're, what
you're saying is that for many who are all doing astral projection, astral travel, that
it's the same sort of concept of emptying the mind.
Okay,
well now you know, different levels to this because there's going to be a lot of people
who say, well, my yoga dope doesn't do that.
My Yoga place does not do the spiritual component of the metaphysics and all of that.
But, but so I had it.
I had a client come in and see.
She had rationalized and she was going to yoga place, you know, and I was really surprised
she's pretty sensitive to this stuff.
And so she, she comes in and she says, well, I've been going, you know, and you know how
there was some conflict in my spirit because I know about the poses and the breathing and
stuff.
But, but honestly there was, I didn't never felt that there was a spiritual component
to any of it.
Why was she going?
And I'm curious, did you remember what you said about why she
went for the, you know, what the is they go for the exercise of course, and because she's
in really good shape and so shoot me, that's one way to keep them in good shape.
But anyways, she came in and she was really, you know, very agitated and I said, well what
happened?
And she said, well, I went in there one day and I could just spiritually pickup on the
fact that the whole atmosphere and the whole place had shifted and I was no longer comfortable
in there anymore.
So I went up to the owner and I said, have you done something different or is there some
new new practice or new meditation or something that's new that's going on that you're doing
here that just, it just feels different.
She was trying to be real nice.
You went right up to the owner and the owner said, yes, we feel like we've held back long
enough from all of you.
The metaphysical piece that goes with Yoga and so we are unleashing the entire spiritual
force and here so that when.
Now when you were going to bring you into the meditation, we're going to get you into
the out of body experience and she went into explaining this all to her and of course my
client was mortified because she knew exactly what that meant
because she had just picked up on and didn't nobody talked to her.
She talked to her teaching.
She just walked into the place in the gift of discerning of spirits.
Were you just discern what was going on?
Very.
Yeah.
She's pretty sensitive in that regard.
So she came in and we had to cancel a lot of the things that had come over her because
she felt like she really had a breach just walking in there to begin with anyway because,
you know, there were other things that were there, but this is the one that really.
Because there was an open door ready for.
Right.
Because she walked in willingly, you know, you know, we have to walk through a place
like that walk and not be affected.
But if you're in there and willingly underneath that, which he was, at least she appeared
to be or was open to it until my fortunately she had the discernment to say something was
Haywire.
He knew it right away.
So we had to pray through that, you know, and the thing that I find with people that
have gone into, into yoga or any form of new aids or you know, we talk about Reiki or any
type of healing that regard, there's a very similar spirit that enters in through these
open doors and it's a Kundalini spirit and that, you know, and that's part of the part
of the yoga piece.
And, but what it'll do is it a Kundalini spirit actually comes in through these open doors.
What is it?
Well, it's a, it's a spirit that actually comes in and it'll wrap up your spine.
So it's a demonic spirit.
So yes, you bring in fighting.
I guess it's an invitation in and it comes in through a lot of these new age or the Hindu
pastors.
And what it does is it'll come up in the lap, slowly wrap the spine.
It's like the double snakes on the medical staff comes right up the spine and it wraps
it, goes back and forth, back and forth, and usually there's an epicenter right at the
base of the spine and the top of the neck.
So when we pray out these ugly spirits too, they're very ugly.
They're very powerful.
And so when we pray these out of people, you'll actually see them start riffing like a snake
riding around.
Yep.
They'll start the and it and it has a lot of tentacles to it, a lot of tentacles to
it.
And it's very painful.
Oftentimes when we call it out blow.
A lot of times what you'll see is people have severe back pain from this sort of thing.
And so, you know, barring anything else, the Kundalini spirit needs to go.
So if you've had had opened doors to this, if you've been involved with this, you know,
any, any type of new age or any type of yoga and you do have noticed that you do have a
lot of back problems and you do feel like it radiates up and down your back like and
movement.
Then you know, possibly that could be an open door with that.
So just to summarize where we are so far, I mean somebody can go into a place and since
will be there for, you know, maybe isn't doing all these kinds of teachings on people, but
by virtue of doing the postures which are actually worshipful postures to Hindu gods
and being involved in the breathing, you know, doing some, you know what to call this Pranayama
breathing, I'm ingredient and then tied in with, you know what?
I'll even just that alone, let's just say they don't focus on the mind part of it.
Those are potential open doors because you know, we all are concept of the podcast that
we do in our teachings.
We do talks about open doors for demonic spirits and spirits can jump on a person.
Hosea four, six says, my people, God's people.
He says, perish for lack of knowledge.
So people,
good believers, tenders, church attenders can go into some of these places and, and
just be under that covering.
Right?
And they have opened the door potentially for these.
Even our ignorance because more people willing to, they aren't gonna many people aren't gonna
willingly go in and you know, purposely joined something a cultic they, they're not going
to know what they're getting into and that, that can be an open door for the tournament,
for the spirits to come upon them.
Right.
And with my look, my client too.
That's a very good point of that because you know, she, she came under this, she was under
agreement and she was under the authority of that.
That owner and that owner had decided to unleash a whole new spiritual contemplation over the
yoga that was done there.
So yeah, you're right underneath it, right underneath it.
Alrighty.
Well that many people, I'm sure you're listening to this, we're going to see, well, gosh, I
don't want that.
I would never be part of something like that.
And so you can see out there in the world, in different places, um, that you will see
signs for something like Christian Yoga.
So we, we, well, we Christian Yoga in certain places that are ostensibly even quote Christian
organization.
We've even churches can have these Christian Yoga classes, so the question is can there
be Christian presumably caught healthy yoga?
Well, that's kind of an oxymoron really done, you know, because it's like saying someone
is a Christian Buddhist or Christian Hindu, there is a conflict here.
Even the Hindus say that you can't do that, you know, so a leg in, it's again, it's like
that tree, that tree.
If you're going to be rooted and grounded in Hinduism, then you're going to get the
fruit of that.
I mean they're, you know, you're, you're basically submitting yourself to these gods that are
attached to these postures that you're learning.
Number one attached to, you know, the, you know, because a lot of people will say, okay,
well I don't get in.
There's no spiritual component to it.
There is no breathing component.
There is no meditation component to what I'm doing, but the postures were actually set
up to worship in and invite in and channel in these gods.
And it's about being in union with them.
Yeah, I think in agreement, I think, I think that's an important point because you talk
about the fruit.
I mean, everybody in the Bible, Paul talks in Galatians the fruit of the spirit, right?
We should have the fruit of the spirit in our lives, love and joy, peace, patience,
kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness and self control on them.
And if people have demonic spirits in them, there's fruit that comes forth from that.
So this can just be another aspect of that, that if you're in that environment and opened
the door for these spirits or other spirits that come in because of that, then there's
going to be, there's going to be a repeat of that.
Certainly an open door for demonic torment.
Yep.
Yep.
And so we know, you know, as a believer, you know, we've got the Holy Spirit, so we always
were very clear to say you're not going to be possessed, but you could be oppressed.
You could come under, you know, you could come under a mind binding spirit.
You could come under a spirit of deaf and dumb things that would come over you through
the meditation.
Things that would bring you into confusion or, you know, not being able to think straight.
I mean, I would say that a lot of that stuff would come over and then again that that Kundalini
spirit that could come up in wraparound that spine very well,
very clear.
I think that's an important point to emphasize because we don't spend a lot of effort or
focus on trying to understand exactly how and where certain spirits came into person.
And so, you know, different.
There are a bunch of different open doors and spirits will invite another spirits.
We trying to use the cockroach analogy, you know, where you see one, you see others.
And so the issue isn't, or what did I get, what spirits we asked, we can, you know, we
can talk about that and, and, and speculate and you know, and even try to figure that
out.
But a lot of times it's like it really is not as important how the spirit's got there.
It's the fact that they did get their dealing with through open doors, dealing with closing
the doors and then calling these spirits out and then keeping the doors closed.
So this is just one in a different type of, one of many different occultic activities.
People can get involved in weegee board, seances people doing horoscopes, following that diligently.
I'm going to psychics any number of these because we open ourselves up and to the open
demonic realm, even out of ignorance in an error and for these spirits to come upon us.
And so, um, I think that's just so I guess our point would be in, I know this is probably
going to offend some, but is Soviet, I guess that I think it's a good way of seeing it.
The Christian Yoga, you really can't pair them together in the same sentence.
Right?
So if you're uniting with Hindu God.
Exactly, exactly.
So, so what's, what's the believer to do what's our, what do we suggest to people, you know,
you say Christians can't be demon possessed, but we can be demonically oppressed.
So whatever you say to a person who's belonging to a yoga class or you know, are thinking,
wow, I really like the exercise.
I like the stretching part of it.
I mean, what are they supposed to do?
Jazzercise?
No, lay on the couch until the feeling goes away.
Mark Twain used to say, I feel like exercising.
I just laid down until the feeling goes away.
Yeah.
There's other alternative certainly to yoga.
I just think you have to be really careful because a lot of people are gonna say, oh
listen, you know what?
I'm well aware like ruth, Mike, Mike, my client, she was well aware but, but you know, even
though she was strong enough and she thought she was able enough, what, what kind of spiritual
template are you setting for those that are weaker?
Why do that?
Well, why do that
yourself under that?
And usually I think sometimes it's pride right there.
So I'm strong enough.
It doesn't bother.
People will say the same things about movies that they watch or, or, um, uh, music.
I don't listen to the lyrics right on, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't bother me.
It doesn't affect me
with the eyes and the ears, the windows of the soul.
I mean, I think many times we had a scene, people affected by that and we, and it's yesterday.
So I think, I think that's a key thing.
Many people, well I don't focus on that part of it, but why?
Why would you want to put yourself at risk for that?
And you know what, I don't think the enemy is like, I don't think he's stupid.
I think he's pretty wildly, you know, so like you said, even though there's, even though
we don't, we can't qualify certainly what spirits are going to come in to that there
may be some antichrist spirit.
So maybe some other things that come in doubt, unbelief, anything.
My mind, it's a good one.
Double mindedness.
Religious spirits, you may not connect it.
And I think that's the deal.
You know, a lot of people can't actually connect.
They'll say, oh, well that's nonsense.
You know, because you may not, it may not have happened at exactly the same time where
I went to Yoga and then all the sudden I started being confused.
You know, the enemy just doesn't do it that way.
He can wait you out and bring it in at anytime and said that you're not going to make that
connection.
Think about things that you go to the doctor for it and then he tells you, Oh, this is
what you did like a year ago.
You know, you don't, you don't get that connection.
And I said, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, but even though you think you
may be strong enough to be able to pull this off, you're, you're actually could be causing
a stumbling block for people that are weak or by, by actually endorsing it and saying,
I'm going and what if that next person, it has so much collateral damage because of,
you know, you go, you going and they've gone.
So I don't know, I just, I think it's, I think it's unwise, you know, and there's an easy
way out of it if you've gone don't feel bad because deliverance and you know, calling
the spirits out that could have come in through that open door or certainly a start with repenting,
receiving forgiveness for that.
And Yeah, just see, I mean deliverance.
Exactly.
We talk about, you know, maybe you need some deliverance from, from that are going through.
You will see as you, as you're kind of, as your life unfolds, but I mean just recognize
it as an open door and this may be the open door that you haven't looked at, you know,
maybe you've addressed the other ones and you still are struggling with confusion and
double mindedness and doubts.
This could be a door that you just kind of breezed right by a lot of people do because
you know, rationalization and justification or big tools that the enemy aren't, they dawn
aren't exactly.
It's in our fleshly mind and we want to also, when we want to just, you know, try to rationalize
our way out of it.
But I think um, you know, just as the other important point you mentioned is that it can
just be a bad witness to others as well.
And maybe you are strong enough to resist it and not be, I don't know, but it's not
a good sign that it's not a good witness to others and it's just, you know, the demonic
kingdom I think is much wiser and much more seductive than we than sometimes we give them.
We give them credit for, we've acclimated to all this stuff.
We live here, we accept.
So anyways, um, I think you nailed it though.
That's a different type of exercise.
Hey, there's nothing wrong with stretching college stretching, doing stretching exercises,
but stay away from anything with the name Yoga attached to it.
Yeah.
And just
go ahead and look.
Look up some of the stretches that maybe you've learned, the different positions you've learned.
If you take it back all the way, you're going to be able to see the gods that they're actually
connected to.
And so yeah, different type of exercise, different type of 30 million of them.
Gosh, well that sounds like a big.
That sounds like an awfully big assault than the demonic kingdom too for a lot of open
doors.
I don't know that, you know, we, we look about different, different disciplines, but anything
that would could open you to 330 million different God thing separately.
Exactly.
It sounds like a big army that is out there.
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