- What's up I'm Gabby Wison for MTV News
and I'm here with Tinashe coming off the release
of her sophomore album, Joyride.
- How does it feel?
- Crazy weird, like, surreal, hard to process still
at this point I think, like, I go through, like, waves
of emotion, I go through like a numbness to it.
I go through like, excitement.
- What's been the kind of rollercoaster so far?
Like as soon as the album dropped
at midnight how were you feeling?
- At midnight I was having fun, you know.
I had like, all my friends around me, my family
so it was like, a great atmosphere to ring in the release.
- Well the last time that we talked I remember you said
that on release day you were gonna
be checking your phone like, all day, checking all
the reactions.
- I was this morning.
- [Gabby] You were this morning?
- Yeah, but they were really positive so, yeah I have
to be really thankful that my fans
are loving what they hear so far.
- How does it feel to have worked on this for so long
and then to finally have it out
and have people reacting to it?
What does that feel like for you?
- I mean, yeah, it's crazy.
Like, we were listening to it in the car on
the way over here and I was like this is strange
to me that like, people can hear this also
'cause I've been listening to this music
for so long you know and just to share
it with other people, it's a relief, it's exciting,
it feels amazing to hear the feedback from people.
It's really fun to see which songs they gravitate towards.
Like which ones are peoples favorites and--
- What have you been noticing as like an early fan favorite?
- I hear a lot of good reviews about
the title track Joyride.
A lot about Ooh La La, a lot of people
that love Stuck With Me featuring Little Dragon.
- I've heard a lot about Salt, too, but I would say
that those are like the top three or four.
- Definitely Salt too, which is very, I'm like okay I see.
I see you Salt.
- So let's start with Joyride, that's the track
that kicks it all off.
That's what the project is named after.
It is a song that's had sort of a interesting ride
just like the rest of the whole album.
How did it get reworked for this project?
- Well I wanted definitely to put a fresh perspective
on the song so we incorporated a lot more
of the string element.
We kinda wanted to make it, I wanted to have
it feel very cinematic as it's the opening number.
The opening sets the tone for the rest of the record.
I wanted it to feel big, I wanted it to feel just dynamic
and powerful so we incorporated some
of those more melodic elements
and, you know, wrote some alternate verses
and kind of, yeah, reworked the song.
I feel like it's really awesome.
Yeah, I'm excited about how it turned out.
- It's kind of interesting to have like, two versions,
at least for you, two versions of a song
that means so much to you and been such a part of like.
- I usually have like, a hundred versions
of all the songs, which is crazy 'cause no one really hears
them along the way but these songs have morphed
and changed and evolved over time.
Some of them, you know, I've been sitting with for years.
Some of them months and during
that creative process, you know, you learn things
about yourself, you learn what you want
to keep, what you wanna change.
And different things stick out to you at different times
so I think it's really interesting.
- What happens to those other versions?
'Cause I know that you recorded, what, like 200 tracks?
- Yeah, a lot of, a lot of music.
They go away for the most part.
Some of them I guess, elements of songs have stuck out to me
in the past and I have revisited them on later projects.
But for the most part I think, it's all just
a continued creative, you know, journey.
It's all a part of that process.
You have to keep creating and along
the way you're gonna leave behind a lot of, you know,
just stuff that you had to work through along the way.
You know, some of it good, some of it bad
but you have to kind of go through that process
in order to I think change.
Well that's at least my creative.
- What like your final, and what you settle on?
- Yeah, yeah.
- One of the tracks that stood out to me was Ooh La La.
- Yeah.
- I love a bed squeak on a beat.
Is that a sample of Some Cut?
- Yeah it's definitely, yeah it's cool.
- How did that song come together?
- I was working with Jay White, we worked in LA.
He you know, just played if for me, I felt like
it had this fun energy and yeah just took it from there.
It was awesome to be able to have a song, I feel like
that had this kinda attitude this whole time
that took on this like sexy, confident persona
and you know, that's something that I always kinda like
to project in my music and I want my fans to feel
that same way when they listen to it.
So yeah that's one of my favorites also.
- Why were you drawn to that sample
for this kind of like, what you were exploring lyrically
in the song.
- It just felt sassy and you know, I just, I don't know.
Sometimes you can't really pinpoint
or put into words what draws you to a particular melody
or what brings out a particular feeling
as you're creating something.
But you kinda have to go with the flow.
- Yeah, lyrically what were some of the experiences
or like feelings that you were work shopping on Joyride?
- I think a lot of it was about growth.
About finding yourself, about coming to your own.
I think a lot of things that people deal
with in their early 20s is a lot of self discovery.
We're all trying to figure out, you know,
where we're going next in life.
What our, how we feel about ourselves as adults
and as young people and I think we're all changing
and evolving all the time so just trying to continue
to promote that like, positive energy
and that you know, confidence I think was important
to me in this project.
And that was kinda the perspective that I took.
- Yeah, it feels like there's definitely a through line
of like, checking in with yourself too.
Like kind of being the person that will like,
be your own cheerleader.
- I think it's important.
I think all of those things are such valuable feelings
to have about yourself that you, sometimes it's important
to listen to music that, you know,
also promotes that as well.
When you listen to it you feel, you know, confident.
You feel like you, yeah, that you are one with yourself
that you're on the right track, you know, all those things
are feelings that I felt during the writing process
of the album, for sure.
And I think that was important turning point when I started
to like, truly feel those things
as the album was really coming together.
And why it sounds the way it sounds now.
- Salt is a song that I've seen be an early fan favorite
and I think that part of that is
because it is so strong lyrically.
There's a line that I kept seeing come up.
Hope you're happy loving someone else even
though you barely love yourself.
Which is like, it just rings too true
to not come from real life, do you know what I mean?
- Absolutely, I mean I think everyone in their quest
for finding a relationship or whatever meets other people
that still have things that they need to work on
and sometimes you can't fix other people
and that's something that you really learn
as you get older is that you're really responsible
for yourself and the same goes for those
that are around you.
And I think that, you know, when you go through kind
of relationships, it's interesting when you see someone like
that who maybe has their own perspective of what they need
in a relationship when really the trouble is much deeper
than that and that's like a reflective thing
that people kind of have to, I think, it comes
with just like maturity and--
- [Gabby] Yeah, experience in life.
- Yeah.
- It's interesting because there are like, I love
the songs with features that like, those are great
for the radio but I think
for fans, I think they're really gravitating towards
these introspective moments too.
And it's nice to be able to have a balance of them.
- Yeah, that's always, I love to hear the feedback
from people and know which songs mean the most to them.
And to be able to have these ebbs and flows
on the album, you know, I think it's good
to be able to have moments that feel more vulnerable.
Moments that feel triumphant, moments that feel fun
and sexy and moments, you know, I think that's
the beauty of being able to create art
is that you can be able to speak to so many different people
and so many different emotions that connect
with people in their own way.
And how they interpret it as well, is really important
because I think music and art is, you know,
it's open for interpretation to a certain extent.
So it's interesting to see which ones they, yeah,
which ones they really gravitate towards
and what it means to them.
- Yeah, it's clear that you're approaching
the project as like a cohesive thing because you have
an intro, you have interludes.
One of the interludes that I'm curious about, Go Easy On Me,
where you talk about like, the world being sick
from poverty and bigotry and pollution.
Why was it important for you to have
that message on this album?
- I think it's important to have a sense
of realism to a certain extent and to touch
on the current, you know, political climate.
I think a lot of people have these feelings
of distress, you know, when we go about our day
to day we see all this, you know,
just chaos seemingly around us in the media
and it's so important to, you know, have art
be a level of escapism for people
but at the same time I think, obviously it's important
to just kind of create that time stamp
or at least acknowledge how I've felt, maybe, you know?
- What is Go Easy On Me mean to you?
Why punctuate that sentiment with that, I guess?
- I think again, it's even maybe you're saying
that to yourself in a way that like, sometimes you have
to be easy on yourself.
You have to be easy, you have to be calm.
You have to have a level of centeredness
in how you go about your life.
I think that's really important
in just maintaining like, your drive
or your happiness or your hunger.
I think you have to, you have to be kind to yourself.
You have to have kindness surrounding you.
You have to have good energy.
And so, yeah, I guess that's just like,
kinda what I meant by that.
- Well, last time we talked you also teased a female collab.
We know now that it was Stuck With Me with Little Dragon.
Why was their sound one that you felt would
be complimentary to yours?
- Definitely for a lot of people, unexpected collaboration.
And for that I think it's just a testament
to how I go about creating my music and my art.
I don't like to, you know, fit into genre boxes
or fit into boxes and Little Dragon is just a band
that I've been a fan of for a long time.
And I wanted to collaborate with for years now.
And so I thought that it was just a really interesting song
as well for them to get on.
I think sonically it sounds very different
and it's just exciting for me to be able to play
with yeah, all these different kind of sonic colors and.
Yeah, I was just really excited to be able to collaborate
with Yukimi and Little Dragon because they're just amazing.
- You hit them up over Instagram DM, right?
- Yeah, I slide in a DM.
- How did the actual collaboration process go?
Did you give them like a base or?
- Yeah, I sent them like a very, very rough version
of my vocals and the beat for that song
and they kind of reworked some of the instrumentation
and did a verse and some harmonies
and then I went back in and kind of then played off
of what they did.
There was a nice collaborative process there
and then we got, you know, the version that we have now,
which I love, it's so fun.
- Yeah, it's really cool.
- [Tinashe] Thank you, thank you.
- You mentioned talking about like, bringing
those two sounds together, something about not wanting
to be like boxed in, boxed into a certain genre.
Which is something that I've heard
that you talk about a lot.
Where do you think that comes from?
Like, this need to kind of break from.
- I think it comes from a love of all sort of things
and a respect for the fact that all
these things make me human and they make me
a more well rounded individual.
And it's awesome to be able to enjoy several different types
of music as well as I think as an artist, to be able
to incorporate all those different types
of music into what you do.
Or to incorporate all the things
that inspire you into your art.
I think that is, at least for me, that's more fulfilling
and that's the best approach to life
and just how, yeah, I go about doing things.
- Yeah, well I caught the Fallon performance
and I wasn't sure if one of the moves was like riffing off
of a popular meme?
- [Tinashe] Oh yeah, for sure.
- [Gabby] Was it actually?
- Yeah I had to play a little ode to.
- Speaking of the Fallon performance I am like,
a little bit upset that you weren't able
to convince, off set, to pop and lock.
- Oh yeah, he can dance for sure.
- Did he, was he dancing like that on the No Drama set?
- [Tinashe] He had some moves for sure.
He can move, he busted out his own kind
of choregraphy, sort of.
And it was, I loved what he brought to the table for sure.
- But was he like pop and locking?
- He wasn't like, dancing dancing, but I feel like he
was holding back, like he's got the moves for sure.
- So this is a big weekend for you
and for your new confirmed boo, Ben.
You with your new album dropping
and him with playoff starting, who, I guess,
had more nervous energy this week?
- I don't know, probably me.
I don't know, I don't know, it's like, it's weird.
I think there's like a sense of calm
but then like nerves at the same time.
Like, nerves aren't really something that I really play into
or like, he really ever plays into.
Like, he's always very confident
with how he goes about playing and I think I feel
the same way when I go about like my art and stuff
so it's interesting when something like this does happen
because it is such a big deal.
Like, I wouldn't say it's nervousness
but it's just like, like I said
it's interesting how I process my emotions.
I haven't really processed them yet.
- Yeah, well it's interesting too
because you're both like hinging
on this like pretty big moment.
- Yeah, it's a lot going on.
- That you're able to like relate to each other in that way.
And there's also like--
- It's fun stuff.
- Yeah, it's fun stuff, but there's also like,
maybe I'm projecting but there's kind
of this interesting parallel between both
of your stories where like, you both
were very highly touted coming right out of the gate
and then sort of like, he had an injury his first year
and then you had like the whole Joyride of it all.
And then now are really bouncing back in a really big ways.
Is that something that you guys relate on?
- I haven't thought, I mean I don't ,
I haven't really thought of that.
But I feel like we relate in a lot of ways which is awesome.
- Well congratulations, you should feel very, very proud
for this amazing album and just finally being
able to open this chapter up.
- It feels like, woo.
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