This is Deliverance Ministry.FM VideoCast, episode 20
Welcome to
another episode of Deliverance Ministry.FM, where we give you proven insights about the
demonic realm and deliverance ministry so you can wage spiritual warfare more effectively.
This is Don Ibbitson. I'm here with my co-host Dr Phyllis tarbox and today we're going to
explore the topic of anger and we're going to look at it from a couple of different perspectives.
So you can determine if you might need counseling for anger or if you need something more than
that. So with that topic, um, we probably should begin by saying that we get a lot of
people coming into the center. Don't we fill us who are. Yes. What are the issues and things
in their life that are given them struggle, giving them problems. Anger is a big one is
up a lot of things. Absolutely. It's in response to a lot of things that people are dealing
with.
And you know, all the [inaudible] that's the question we ask. What issue, what are the
issues? We just tried to leave it open ended. What are the issues that you need help with?
And sometimes people will, individually, they'll talk about their issues, depression or fear
or anger, or sometimes it's even in the context of marriage counseling can come in and they
say, well, we're fighting a lot or work when you dig down past the first level and we do
the interview and get the background and people will. Sometimes people will acknowledge and
say, you know, I have a problem with anger. And I had it even before we got married. In
fact, I had anger issues for as long as I can remember. And so those are important.
Those are important words for us because some people have the mindset, well, Gosh, you know,
if I just had a new job or new wife or move somewhere or new husband that the anger would
go, but now many times it's not.
And you know, we, we want to understand this whole thing about the mood or the emotion
of anger is anger. And that is one of our emotions. And in other podcasts that we've
done, we talk about, um, the fact that they're, we have a body, a soul, and his spirit and
that are soulless realm is part of us, is not born again. Where am I in emotions are.
And as we say, we don't, we give them to Christ, we don't get a born again soul. And that anger
is an emotion and we need to learn how to manage it and learn how to control and deal
with it properly. And so the point that we want to emphasize is that if we can't manage
it, we can't get control of it. Maybe it is a demonic strongholds. So that's the topic
today. Before we get into that, I just want to mention briefly that, um, as part of these
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a lot of our resources that we have on our website. So I'll come back to that at the
end. So let's get right into the topic today about the two. Um, what we call soulless anger
or demonic angry. How can you tell? What do I need to do? And so I mean, let's start out
very basically with phyllis is anger. What does the scripture say? His anger ascent.
Is it a sin to get angry?
Anger is not a sin unless you crossed over into anger can be something that comes in
at you because of a broken boundary. It's a warning signal. Something's wrong. Something
rises up in you because they have a lot of people who say, why was that wrong? That I
felt anger. Now like if your boundaries have been stepped on and you sensed that anger,
you, that that's a warning signal, it's, it's something free to say, OK, now I need to put
down a firm boundary with this. What you do with that anger then becomes the question,
if you meditate on it and you lash out and you act and appropriately and you express
that anger and in a way that isn't godly than that at that part and then now becomes a [inaudible].
It can lead to us that we need to emphasize because the Bible does talk about what the
scriptures. It says in your anger, don't sin. So we use a lot in the context of spiritual
warfare. We talk about not letting the sun go down on your anger and your what's. What's
the follow on after that? Why about not letting the sun go down on you?
The Devil, a foothold and I, you know, I talked about that Ad Nauseum when we have people
that come in after deliverance because you know the way you're set up is the word says,
anything that you meditate on can become a part of you. And there has been some research
studies that the longer you meditate on these things, they become part of your permanent
memory because you know they're, they're going to find. So if you go to bed angry, that's
going to give you your brain, another seven, eight hours of meditating on it because your
brain is sorting and filing a lot of information that comes in as you sleep. If you've ever
had a dream that's been like disjointed or bits and pieces of this and that, that's your
brain. It's like a little filing system that files like memories, unlike like things at
night while you're resting. So if you go to bed angry, then that information is going
to get filed on a memory tree with other times that are like that in your brain. When you
wake up and you remember that thing that happened the night before, guess what? Now it's filed
with all the other times that that person has done that because they're all grouped
together and boy, there's power. Now, there is a lot more anger,
anger, action plan and bad things, and even open the door for demonic. The Bible gives
directives there and we understand about we want to get going to bed angry. We don't give
ourselves and that's really important. And we see in the Bible, Jesus, there's instant.
Jesus got angry. I mean there was times, I don't know if you'd call it angry, but he
got frustrated, certainly talked with the ferris easy, got angry, frustrated with the
disciples. But why couldn't they get this, you know, singer, right? Well, and so it was
just human error. I mean, we understand Jesus was fully human and also so he got angry and
you know, but then there is the element. You talked about the righteous anger in, you know?
Yeah, they're right in the gospels rather than what he went through the money through
the template, right over the tables and the weapon that he was not a happy camper. So
that was definitely,
he was angry at the situation, not necessarily at the individuals, but he was angry at the
way had come into the temple. So I think that's a dip definition between right to singer and
just anger is your righteous anger is that you're angry at a situation or you know, a
movement or whatever. Ah, unrighteous. Anger is when you start focusing on the person.
Yeah.
Yeah. I think that's a good distinction. And so you know, many people, once again we will
come back and they'll come in and find this and they'll say, well I have an anger problem
and you know, there's anger management classes. Twenty six weeks. I did some research on it.
Even the secular realm and yes, some of them are pretty extensive and we're here near the
air force base here in Tampa and so in the military if you have problems or identifies
anger problems and you go to these anger management classes and some of them can be pretty extensive.
Man and I've experienced that. I've had a lot of times as many people go to them, but
they're. Their lament many times is they don't work.
I won't say the name, but I do remember a nascar driver. They got sent to a 26 week
me and anger management thing and it was after he finished his anger management, he was out
there throwing wrenches in his stuff right there on the track. It might not have been
totally effective,
but the whole idea, the concept behind those ones going to research some of those things
and you can, you can find the courses. There's, there's certain techniques that they teach
or the things that you do, you know, if you're start to feeling angry, try reading deeply,
talk positively, you know, capture your angry thoughts. Uh, you know, slowly repeat a calm
word or phrase count to 10, you know, and so consumed with trying to get out of the
house, you know, consider the value of physical or regular exercise. And there were some people
take out their frustration, the boxing bag that's good hanging in their house or they
or they go exercising. And so, um, you know, avoid the, avoid recreational drugs, don't
drink alcohol, all sorts of good things. Get support and all these are good or nice or
positive or not trying to minimize these things. These are good skills listening skills. We're
gonna. Have a laugh at yourself. And so all these things, these anger management techniques
and those are good and those can be beneficial and those can be helpful. And so, but the
problem is, or the issue is, many times people are dealing with these things and they say,
I can't control that.
And that's where the point where you say, OK, I really need, I really need to get some
help here. And we've covered on those. If it's not working, you know, if you've tried
everything, then what were you encourage you is to be open to the notion that maybe you
have a demonic strong at work in your wife. And so once again, if this is the first time
you've heard us or haven't heard a lot of our teachings and Phyllis, for somebody who's
new, just explain really what, what is it? Demonic strongholds in a person's life in
general.
It's uh, it's, it's, it's a pattern or a pattern of thinking where you know, something triggers
it and it just, and you, and you can't get the victory over it. You can, you can try
to take our thoughts captive. But this thing is driving you from the inside and you, and
it's an area of your soul that refuses to submit to the ruling authority of Jesus Christ.
So by saying that, I mean that if you are moving and anger, then chances are you're
not submitting to the ruling authority of love. If you're moving in impatience, then
you're not submitting to the fruit of patients, so it's oppositional to what God would have
you walking in,
right? It's like the word demonic and strong. What are you put them together because the
word stronghold that has a lot of connotations. It's used in scripture and I to just to be
clear, crystal clear, but we teaches it behind this demonic stronghold can be a demon spirit
spirit and the spirit is resident in our soil and that's an important distinction when we
talking about what's it going to go over all this again, here even spirits exist outside
of us. We need to resist them, we need to discern them, but deliverance is the driving
out of demons and people can have, for instance, a demon or a spirit of anger in dwelling in
our there that spirit. Then that's why these, some of these techniques and all these other
things won't work and praying or fasting. There are some people I've heard people say,
well, that only comes out with prayer and fasting.
Well, my answer to that and say, look at that scripture in context. When Jesus didn't go
away and pray and fast before he delivered that person, he thought he did tell that person
to go away and pray and fast. So you know, that's not the application. I don't have the
proper application or that description. Right? Right. Though we'd ever also means, so deliverance
though is the driving. I don't. We need to get that spirit out. So the indicators are
that if you, the things aren't working, you can't get the victory. You've read books,
you've talked to the pastor, had counseling, you know many times for a lot of people trying
to calm down, take medications, and that's the best time of year world. That's where
the the avenue that people hold to and they go to a mental health professional. Many times
that person is a, they will end up writing them are prescription, right? And so those
are indicators for us as demonic strongholds in. And so we've seen those. We've seen people
come in here within the realm of demonic strongholds, haven't we? Phyllis?
A lot of times they'll be very quick to tell you that it's not them. It's something that's
in them and so that's when you know that there's. There's A. There's a demon behind it, like
don had just said, so that they can recognize that something is driving them from the inside
and that they know that that's that, that, that that is a demonic activity that they
have no authority over,
so I your good words and we hear that. That's a clue for us when we're listening. We have,
as an interview, people will use the words and say, it's not me. It's something in here,
and once again they only have the words for it, but when we introduced the concept, well
maybe it's a different experience in the EU and sometimes that brings people some sense
of peace and understanding because they have hope for the first time.
Yeah, they do get hope. When you start to explain it to them, they get excited because
they've not understood with what they fighting. Like you were talking about that they felt
like they're fighting with the air. Oftentimes, you know now this is giving them something
to take a at.
Exactly. When we talked about there's open doors for demonic strongholds in a person's
life. I remember or dealt with a couple or a couple. One time came in for marriage counseling.
Think each of them had been married before. There had been made at least I believe the
husband maybe three times that marriage was in trouble because of anger and he had an
anger issue there and it would manifest at different times in his life. Very laid back,
but in terms of the interview that I had with him getting his family history, his background,
even when we went through deliverance, there was a major manifestation of that spirit of
anger. When we called it out and it turns out in our part of the remembrance and it
really only happened during the deliverance. He remembered his times into the child with
a father who was abusive towards him at different times and when he misbehaved, his father would
lock them in an ice cold for hours.
At a time, and I think if somebody he buried away and reflected on it much, but that was
believed that that trauma in his life was an open door on my other thing is you know,
toward, for that anger to be resident in him. And the Lord dealt with that. That spirit
came out and it really was transformational for him, but that because that spirit had
been there for a long time, it was manifesting in his life and his relationships. But one
of those open doors was, eh, you know, maybe there was others, but that encounter, that
happened, those times where he get locked in the ice cooler, that rage or that, that
spirit would just manifest. And it was his marriage. And uh, but that's an indicator
of a demonic strong spirit of anger that was, that wasn't working his life. And we've seen
that at different times in people's lives where when they can't get the victory is because
of the spirit there. And it got there some way. Somehow.
I've got kids that, well my kids, but people that have come in where I'll ask them when
they're dealing with that spirit of anger, what was the moment in your childhood where
you said, I will not be a victim to someone else's anger? Generally they'll have a parent
or someone that's a an abuser or they've been bullied at school or something's happened
to them and there's always that place that where it switches. Every single person that
I've had that deals with anger knows that moment they know it or it's switched where
they said, I am never going to take this again. I'm going to be the punisher and in that place
I. well it, it, it overtakes them because they won't. They can't take it anymore. You
know, they can't take it anymore. And so there's just a switch and then that's when they start
using the anger.
That's the moment I always go back to and deliverance is that moment. Who was that person?
Who was that person that bullied you? And we bring, you know, we have to break the soul,
tie with them and call that spirit out. That came in because there's so many things have
have children who are bullied that become bullies. So many statistics on that now that
that. But that is that place, you know, always they'll always tell me, yep. I remember when
my father was beaten the crap out of me that I just said no more. I'm not going to take
it anymore. Or I remember when that bully at school was beating me up and I thought
no more. I'm not gonna take it anymore. And they actually will tell you that once they
became angry, it gave them power. And I've had, you know, one, one of my, one of my lovely
clients, I used to call her my fighter girl, but she, she was in a family with a long history
of fighting and beating up people and that was the way they dealt with people in their
family.
Even with each other. They would just beat each other up and she remembered at six years
old, sucker sucker hitting one of her family members, punching them and just doing some
damage and thinking to herself, I have power now. I'm in control. And when she came into
the office to go through deliverance, of course, at this point, you know her marriage is wrecked.
Her relationship with her children is on, on the ads. Every. Her anger has destroyed
her workplaces and things like that. She said she looked straight at me and she goes, I
learned a long time ago that in order to have power in my family, anger was my friend. And
I said, can you repeat that? And she said, anger, anger is my friend. And I said, wow.
And so then I did some research on that. You know, we've talked about this before.
Spirits of anger, anger, spirits have souls, or it could be a personality. Personality,
Spirit, spirit itself has a soul because it can think, it can rationalize, it can reason.
We've talked about that in Matthew Eight, 28. But when you make it your friend, you
can actually create a soul tie with a spirit of anger. You get licensure when you start
saying things like, it's my friend. So I actually with her, I broke the soul tie between her
and a spirit of anger. And I called out that spirit of anger and boy did it manifest. It
manifested. Now that's happened with two of my clients, big time, and both of them went
from being combative, miserable, angry people to living a life of peace.
So they had unwittingly people they probably didn't sign up for it, didn't have understanding
over, but in the whole realm of spiritual warfare, demonic realm got by Hosea [inaudible].
God says, my people perish for lack of knowledge. Ignorance is not bliss when it comes to understanding
these open doors, but we see it happen a lot where sometimes people in vitamin, sometimes
it's things that are done to people, right? Abuses trauma can be those open doors to just
really say that, that and so that. That was her friend
that was her friend. Now she said it was her friend because it gives them power. That's
the worst. They learned how to have authority, not authority. Certainly they had power power
from the demonic kingdom and it actually kept their, their relatives away from them. They
would say, I can tell you one thing, my family didn't mess with me. They have good boundaries.
I'm like, well, I don't necessarily think those are good.
Probably afraid in. The thing is we've talked about that. Sometimes people say, it's not
me, it's something in me, but many times we've had people in here when we can do this teaching
and if people had fights, they say they'll look at their spouse. Maybe they look at their
height wife or their husband and say, and they. They seem. It's different. It's not
them. It's something in them. They will see it and some people have even said, I've seen
their eyes go read their eyes and it sounds like something out of a movie, but it's not.
It's just that what you're seeing is that demonic spirit in that person manifesting
and we it is driving the bus. It's like that. You know, weren't that person if they're a
Christian or a demon possessed, but that demonically spirit is strong. They've handed over control
and that spirit gets to drive the bus for awhile and you see a lot in the prisons we've
talked about before. Out of our prisons are full of people's spirits of anger. Anger,
rage, button gets pushed. That spirit, we yield control, manifests in great damage,
happens as a result of that
and a of times they'll think, you know, they can stop the anger or they can stop the rage.
I can try to keep it down. But once you cross over from a spirit of anger to allow a spirit
of régine where there's either been physical violence or some other kind of violence, there's
no going back. That spirit is there. You know, that spirit needs to be cast out. I've had,
you know, different people that have come in from prison that had been put away for
domestic abuse and I've been remarried and they're dealing with the same things over
and over again and they can come into the office and they look like the most perfect
person in the whole world. But underneath that is that rage and that anger doesn't take
a lot to get rid of it. And then they'll say that they were, you know, they were model
prisoners, model prisoners because they didn't have, they weren't, they weren't going to
be fighting in prison. But once they got out and they got back into relationships, usually
with, you know, either men or women, then that thing would start to stretch back out
again and get bigger and start getting angry and move back into its usual pattern of rage.
So it can't be, can't be kept down necessarily needs to be needs to be cast out.
We haven't even talked to address it in this context, but people's different temperaments
handle anger differently. Certain temperament types, maybe they call Eric type or the sanguine
type timberlands. They get angry, they will explode and they'll just, they'll, you know,
they will just, you'll see it comes out. But other temperament types times of melancholy
types or the supine types, they get angry. It doesn't. You'd like you see, you don't
see that goes inside and they call it hurt sometimes. Yeah, there's certain templates.
It are. You hurt my feelings and some people, they don't show anything. But invariably,
and if you read the news accounts and you don't have to go very far. Many times these
people who would go back into the workplace or go back and they wreak all sorts of violence
people while he was so quiet and never said anything, but what do you see is that spirit
of anger and rage, whatever's it however it comes out and it does manifest and those are
obviously demonic stronghold.
That's just more than just somebody got angry. It's like there's a razor and the spirits
behind these, these demonic strongholds and work. So just kind of by way of review, I
mean, you know, English and emotion. There's not a demon behind every problem in a person's
life. People get angry and we can learn how to manage and deal with anger and certain
techniques and doing some of these things are, are, are good, and we can learn how to
control our anger. You see it with kids, you know, Tamar, they learn how to control it
so it can be done and shouldn't be done by then. Those areas where you can't control
it and it's consistently loses it and there's a lot of damage is damage all the way. Oh,
I was like a wake of a big ship. Those are indicators for us and my other is near. It's
not me. It's something in me. If somebody, honestly, those are evidences of demon spirits
at work, right? In a person's life. So what's the answer for that? Deliverance is the answer.
W we always say you can't counsel demons. You need to get them out so you just, you
don't want to be dealing with. I mean anything. And the other thing is too is if you're dealing
with someone who has anger, you don't want to like bind it in front of them, either.
You don't want to like say, I bind that spirit of anger in you because the spirit of anger
will actually manifest and probably go past to rage. If you pay attention to it, demons
love it when you, when you glorify them. So if you start speaking about [inaudible] or
binding up anger in front of the person who is angry, I gotta tell you that's one of the
places you're gonna. Get into the worst mass because it will come out and meet you. So
you need to get, you know, have some privately. Yeah, privately, maybe in the bathroom, locked
the door. Exactly,
and I think that's important because sometimes people discern the spirit and I'll just walk
up to that point. It's like, OK, knowing and having the sermon and what to do with that
is there are two different things, so we encourage people to just like you said, if you discern
the spiritual struggles and it can be anger or whatever in a person and your loved ones,
you get off by the Lord and you pray and you bind the Matthew Sixteen, you bind up the
demons, you loosed the Holy Spirit upon them, and yes, you do need to have proper boundaries.
You need to do some things in the natural to to cooperate with that. Absolutely. But
if it's a spiritual struggle like that, you bind those up and he'll lose the holy spirit.
You definitely, definitely do that. And so that that's important too, that people understand
that that's the proper way to handle that. Phyllis, any final thoughts or anything that
you'll want to share with people?
Say if they know where their anger came in, you know, we've talked about this several
times about breaking the ungodly soul ties with a lot of the people that are angry at
or that place where they remember where it switched for them. I would break the emotional,
Zigbee people that they love, and if you don't understand soul ties, go back and check out
some of our. Forgive them podcast, forgive them, I'm drop judgement against them, break
that soul tie, pray a blessing for that other person. That's all important. You know, and
don't use anger as your God given self defense mechanism. I mean, it is not, it's not what
protects you from being abused. It's not your one emotion only you know, anger is not your
friend. Then it's time to face what anger has done to your life and your relationships
and come out from behind that emotional while bitterness and live your life fully and there
is help and hope.
Exactly. And I, I, the one thing I would add to that too is look up your family tree. You
know, if you see a lot of anger, you know, say Gosh. Yeah, my mother was angry at my
grandparents and those are evidences indicators, probably give it a generational curse at spirit
of anger at work in and that's kind of repeating down through the generations, visiting through
third and fourth generations and once again, those are indicators that you are going to
benefit from deliverance. Counseling is good. Deliverance is is essential, getting delivered
for if it's demonic, stronghold at work, so we hope that's been helpful for you, giving
us maybe some food to chew on, things to think about that you haven't thought about before
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