This is the Deliverance Ministry.FM Episode number 29.
Hello again everyone.
Welcome to another episode of Deliverance Ministry.fm where we give you proven insights
about the demonic realm and deliverance ministry so you can wage spiritual warfare more effectively.
My name is Dr Don Ibbitson and I'm very happy to be here with again with my cohost, Dr Phyllis
Tarbox.
Hello.
Hi Don.
Good to have you here.
We enjoy doing these.
Um, we're well on our way.
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In fact, some of the topics that we're going to be having, even this one today and topics
coming up or are things that we received for our listeners about topics that they'd like
to hear about.
We listened.
So we do listen.
And today's topic is about freemasonry.
We've heard that from people.
We've had clients come in here who have and people with family histories of it.
In fact, we're going to talk about some of the biggest success stories we've had, people
that we've dealt with in their background and over the past 18 years and we want to
just give you some insights about what you need to know and what maybe you're a resource
for you and some things you can can help you with if you, if you're in it now actively
or have a family member in it or for many people even not in it, but have it in their
bloodlines.
And we can see that's, that's, that's certainly can affect people to be.
And so, uh, that's our topic.
We're going to talk about freemasonry, encourage you to listen right to the end.
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That's part of our calling is to, is to increase the scope of deliverance ministry.
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Phyllis.
We've seen it so often with people coming in to see us and certainly in seminars, they
talk about freemasonry, about her involvement in their family history.
And many Christians I think still really don't understand or maybe choose maybe sometimes
not to believe the spiritual implications of being involved in freemasonry.
And so that's why we're doing this topic.
And um, we hope it'll be a benefit to you.
I think it's the easiest and most simplest way to start is to talk about freemasonry
for just, you know, introduce it in a very general sense.
What is it?
There's lots of resources out there, books and whatnot that you can read for Christians
about freemasonry.
But, and I'm going Kinda read here from my hand have actually that we have, it's that
says that the freemasonry is basically a worldwide organization that promotes the glorification
of man by his own achievements both within and outside masonry and supported by a tightly
controlled but brotherhood of masons to the total exclusion of a believing faith and trust
in the Lord Jesus Christ.
It's a secret society.
Yeah.
To which members are bound by powerful Olsen penalty, sworn on pain of tortures, death
at the hands of brother Masons to protect secrets.
And it's a mixture.
You'll see.
It's a mixture of a lot of things.
You've got elements of Hinduism, catabolism, Cabal, ism rather rosy Christianism and some
and in Greek mythology mixed in it.
They're not seen.
They're not compatible with biblical Christianity in any way, shape or form.
Even though you'll see some of the ceremonies involved, they'll have the Bible in it and
invoke the Bible in it, and it's a. and really there's so many of these claims are false
and it really does.
Free Masonry does serve to cause spiritual blindness and darkness.
God's people.
I think it's another one of those instances where God himself says in Hosea four, six,
he says, my people perish for lack of knowledge and ignorance is not bliss in this, in this
topic.
So, you know, there's different elements, the different names, but, but, but that's,
you know, like I say, you can read more, but that's basically what it is.
It's a secret brotherhood.
So let's talk about why it's dangerous, why it's an open door for demonic torment.
Well, you mentioned secrecy.
I mean the oath that they take of secrecy.
That was my, my, my appeal to someone that I was dealing with, you know, they know you
don't know what's going on totally inside the masonic lodge because it's so locked down
in it secret.
So on that basis alone, there's a lot of pride.
There was a lot of secrecy that's involved with that.
Uh, it's got a hierarchy level where you step up the degrees up all the way up to the 32nd
and then the blessings on the 33rd, I mean, and so if you get into that place of pride,
it's pride of elevation and climbing the ranks.
But think about that in the Bible about climbing the ranks in that regard and having your degrees
be based on who you are
and the secrecy thing, right?
The demonic kingdom works in darkness.
And so look, typical Colton, different things.
Anytime there's a secret aspect to it, that should be a red flag, right?
Right.
And the God, the God that the God that they, they speak of can be based on whatever religion
that you're in, like you had mentioned.
So it can be Jehovah, Allah, Buddha, Mohammed or Jesus.
But your petitions and your prayers in the lodge are always addressed to the great architect
of the universe.
So I think that's a little.
That's a.
that's a danger, right?
And there's not the god of Abraham, Isaac.
And then the loyalty is always to the lodge.
It's not not not to God.
So in that place, there will be a lot of idolatry.
Idolatry, put it in front, right?
No need for salvation because there's no real sin that's not excusable.
Right?
Jesus is not the needed Messiah for redemption of the human race.
I mean they'll tell you that.
So to me, those are all huge open doors because it's not based on a platform of, of Christianity.
It's.
Although it's in many of the churches and a lot of the Scottish rite places, you'll
find the free masons being led in a church so they can.
They can tweak it and they can Morphett, but it's the basic formation of the platform that
it was established on.
These are the basic tenants of free masonry
and I think so many people get in at the low end.
They don't.
And they don't necessarily rise up the chain or up the up the ladder, if you like, and
these different degrees, but at the, if you look at the 30, the 32nd level, they, they
acknowledge that, that Lucifer is God.
You say that Satan, he's the real light years, the real life.
So, but a lot of people don't see that they, because they don't, they don't get that high
and get that kind of information.
So that's problem is a problem for sure.
And then there's the initiation ceremony, which I find completely fascinating.
You know, the first thing that they do is they, they, they hoodwink, they put a hoodwink
like a blindfold.
It's, that's what a blind, that's where they put a blindfold on there, the.
And so one of the things that I've found is that, that always blinds people pretty much
a similar being spiritually blinded, right?
Right.
Their clothing, when they walk in, they have the move, remove all their clothing, um, because
their clothing is linked to their old identity.
So the person is basically stripped of their identity and given a new identity, they actually
have to walk into their initiation ceremony in pajamas.
So later they're given garments which identify them as Mason.
So first thing they do is they remove their clothes, remove all their old valuables, their
money keys, rings, other jewelry that they have to leave.
Um, these have to do with a person's value, both personal and material.
There God has given intrinsic worth and value as a person is lost.
So the personal value now comes from how they value free masonry.
Then there, then there's this, this, the third thing is the slip shot, slipshod slipper and
checkerboard.
The right foot of the initiates has a slipper on it and that's designated to make their
walk slippery.
Their path is not clear, but it's a mixture of darkness and light and their ability to
find the path for their life and fulfill their destiny becomes uncertain.
So I think that's unusual.
The and getting back to the hoodwink, the things that they have them, where those are
the effects that are basically put over the soul hoodwink is is the covering of the head
covering of the intellect, the mind it surrendered to freemasonry, so right there when I pray
deliverance for anyone who is in the Masonic Lodge, I always pray against the deaf and
dumb spirits because you'll see it.
They've been hoodwinked, hoodwinked, but even in the family bloodline, you know you don't
necessarily have to be in the in the masons, but you could be a family member of that.
That spirit of deaf and dumb, however it got into your family.
Bloodline is going to come down.
The family bloodline with things like double mindedness or mental illness or mind binding.
Those are all areas that when I pray for people who have that I and I see that hood in the
spirit.
When I pray for them, I'll ask them if they've had any members and freemasonry and they'll
usually say yes.
That's a good point.
To just interject something quickly.
We're talking about freemasonry, but we talked about generational things and curses.
There's other great podcasts that we have to find the one on generational curses, but
this whole notion of spirits will travel down through the lines, so you're in, maybe you're
not in freemasonry, but your grandparents, your grandfather made these vows that were
part of the part of these initiation ceremonies and therefore that was the open door for that
spirit to enter into your bloodline,
right?
Then they put this cable thing around you, so it's called a cable toe where the person
is bound and they're actually led by somebody else, so it's significance is that you're
actually surrendering your freewill to the Masonic Lodge.
That's pretty intense.
Yes.
Then there's a dagger that's put to the left breast, which is the heart area at the seat
of emotion and it's exposed.
It's his bows and submitted to freemasonry.
The dagger is again another piece of submitting, so all the elements of the soul, the mind
and the emotion are are surrendered in this initiation
and we're supposed to be surrendering our life to Christ.
Right?
And so this surrendering to a different authority that.
And so it just makes you wonder many times how Christians can just, who know the truth
and the Bible at some level can be part of that.
Right?
It's just baffling.
Yeah.
And so, you know, earlier you had said early the earlier walk, the degrees of walking in
or really just to surrender your whole body soul to them on, they don't get introduced
to a lot of the other teachings until they climb the ladder and get more into it.
So, you know, there's a lot of this, a lot of this has a big effect on health too because
you know, when you're, when you're walking, you're actually worshiping a lot of the gods
of Egypt that are built into the masonic lodge and you know, Egypt Borsa and the, that's
where the plagues all came in, right?
As far as.
So in freemasonry you're involved in direct worship of gods of Egypt.
So in addition to all the things that you pronounce on yourself, basically, you also
get what God has pronounced on you.
All the diseases of Egypt.
So you know what, what we'll see is a lot of times, and I know you've seen this too,
is the women are the ones that suffer with the long suffering, curses like the long suffering
and lost the wives of the Masonic Lodge members.
I'm not quite sure how that works, but I've seen it happen over and over again.
The man joins, the wife comes down with some kind of long suffering disease.
Well, it doesn't, I, I, as far as you know, we've seen that in many people.
But to personalize it, that was really what was happening in my mother's life.
My mother was an active member in the order of eastern star, which of course is the women's
arm of free masonry.
And um, she uh, was, got, ended up with Parkinson's disease in the Garson, see it probably in
her seventies.
And um, you know, what happened was her, is that this spirit of free masonry was, was,
was active in her life and I believe it was a source of the sickness that came upon her.
And you know, years when we got saved, you know, we came to Christ, we would witness
to our family members and I would try to share with my mother about God and about Jesus.
And you know what, she'd sit in church and she'd cry and she cries, she listened, but
she was not ready to.
She would not receive and believe and receive Jesus as their savior it over some period
of years, you know, we'd be sharing with her and she would take her to church.
One time we were visiting her and her at her home.
And, and um, in while we were there, of course we are sharing with her two significant things
happened.
One was she lost the ring that she's a little fivestar ring, the Pentagram ring that they
have, that the eastern star.
Have she lost it while we were there.
And the second thing is one night while we were staying there at the home, my wife had
a nightmare.
And in this nightmare, uh, it woke her up, it scared her.
She told me the next morning and this nightmare, she saw a demonic spirit.
And she says she knew right away it was that demonic spirit of eastern star and that demonic
spirit of eastern star spoke to her and it said, you leave her alone.
She's mine.
And now I got to say in the timeline here, we were not involved in deliverance.
Ministry, didn't know that much about spiritual warfare, the demonic realm at that time.
But she knew that that was, that demonic spirit of eastern star was speaking about my mother.
And it was basically warning my wife to leave her alone because we've been witnessing to
her and you know, quite truthfully at that time, we didn't know really how to handle
that, what to do as we progressed and learn more.
We learned about binding and loosing demons and we talk about that in other podcasts as
well.
But over a period of time and over a period of years, the good news and now the end of
the tunnel, know the rest of the story as Paul Harvey used to say, um, my wife let her
to the Lord in the back bedroom of our home about a year before she passed away.
She was just ready, there was an opportunity there to lead her to the Lord and um, and
that was years after that incident happened with the dream that I was telling you about.
So the good news is my wife received Jesus before she passed away, but that devil, that
free masonry spirit in her was tormenting her, was hiding and keeping her in bondage
to all these other things, but part from what else, where else was going on in my mother's
life and opendoor she might've had, I know that that spirit was, was very, very active.
Now for me personally and for my sister's never been involved in eastern star or me
and free masonry, but we know that that spirit was active because as I say, it manifested
to my wife.
Well, you know, I've never been involved with the eastern star.
Any type of free masonry either.
And I had questioned my family members at length because I have a predominantly English
background.
And so my brothers were quick to tell me no, you know, we got involved a little deem Olay,
but we pulled out.
But nobody in our family, nobody's family.
So, you know, I've put off saying the prayer because we have a good prayer that you can
get a hold up at our website and we'll talk about that later.
But I, I, I, I didn't want to say the prayer because I didn't want to have to get into
that if there wasn't in the plan we bloodline.
And so long story short, I decided one day that I would just do it to be better safe
than sorry.
Right.
So, um, I started to say the prayer and my face, the side of my face went numb and my
hand went numb as these things left.
Now that caused me to question a whole lot more because I knew there was a manifestation
that was with it.
Now again, most of my families said, no, it's not in the family bloodline, but one day,
you know, you asked the Lord and he is so faithful to reveal things.
I'm in, in my bedroom and I pull out the drawer, take out my grandmother's little thing that
had a beautiful term bracelet in it.
And I noticed there was a secret compartment underneath it.
And so I lifted it up and there it was the little slipper that they give you as an initiate
to the eastern star.
This thing has been sitting by my bed forever, right?
So I take it out to the trash.
It's 14 karat gold, but it's like, it's like the size of the tip of your fingernail.
It's very small.
It's got the evil eye on it and everything.
I take it out to the garage and I go to throw it away and I dropped it and it bounced and
it disappeared.
And I said, Lord, you know, how am I going to find that thing?
And really I felt like the Holy Spirit said to me, it's in a look and look inside some
air conditioning grids.
So I went out there, back into the garage, try to find this thing.
I shook it out and sure enough it fell out.
So I took it out through an one of those great big industrial sized garbage pails outside
of my house thinking it was gone.
And you know, my husband came home that night and said, hey, look what I found in the trash.
And he brought her right back.
I knew there was some stuff that was powerful.
Would that, would, that masonic subway finally got it out.
We both agreed and it was gone and that was good, but you know, that, that interested
me when you know, you see that kind of manifestation, especially on my face and on my hand.
And so I thought to myself, well, how could that have.
But my mom was married to a 32nd degree, Mason, her step, her stepfather, her second husband
now that had no blood relationship to me, but my mother slept with him before she married
him.
And when my mother died, you know, a lot of those familiar spirits came my way.
So if there was any residual, would that because of her involvement, plus it was in her home.
Um, I'm not really sure how that all works.
But again, gone soul ties, broken, everything canceled with that.
But you'll see that.
I think one of the other fascinating stories that I share on this, I'd like it to have
a happy ending.
It really doesn't yet was one of the pastors came in for prayer and he was, I won't say
what's portion of it, but he was the international Grand Poobah, you know, they have a very long
name with every one of their designations, but he was the international head of one of
these sections of the masonic lodge and he wanted to come in through deliverance and
so, you know, we, we talked and we shared and we had a few sessions and then I recognized
that he wasn't willing to give up that title and I said to him then I can't really pray
for you for, for deliverance.
And he said, why?
And I said, because you're, you belong to the Masonic Lodge and you're very high ranking.
And he said, well, why would you say that I'm a pastor?
I brought this into my church.
It's a good man society.
We all are good Christian believers.
And I said, well, because it's not based on a Christian platform and the fruit of what
it's rooted and grounded in with Andrew Pike and how this was established is not a Christian
establishment.
And you know, I would not want to pray deliverance for you and have you be hurt like if this
is a very large open door.
I said, plus you already know that I don't know anything that goes on inside the masonic
lodge so you're kind of looking down on me right now, aren't you?
And he was like, well you don't know.
And I said, so there's pride.
And even with that open door of pride, if I prayed for you, it would come back in and
slam you.
Now this was a man who was significantly impaired with health issues and I won't say what they
are, but they were very, very, very bad.
And he was still holding onto the fact that it was still okay for him to do it.
Now, in the meantime, he said to me, no one in the history of the Masonic Lodge has ever
stepped down from a position like this.
Because again, he was the international head.
And I said, well, you know, I don't know what to tell you, but you're really leaving yourself
wide open now.
I will.
I will tell you, I did have a dream too, as part of it, that the, that, the, those that
were involved with his, that was a whole group of people that came in to actually throw cold
water on me because that was what was the dream was about.
And I knew it was about the masonic rites, that Dream I had in the meantime while him,
that I was being ganged up on in the spirit because they didn't want him to leave.
But he actually did leave.
He left the Masonic Lodge.
He resigned his post, uh, now he didn't come back in for deliverance, but it was such an
open an eyeopener for me because of the strength of the, the dedication to the same.
Even in the midst of all this infirmity and all these open doors that he really, he had
to make a choice.
Uh, and he said nobody ever laughed but that, but, but he heard me.
He heard me about the open doors of pride in secrecy, which I think ministered to him.
And he did step down.
But again, just so anti biblical, both of them, you know, and he was a pastor.
Yes.
And that's it.
There's so many churches and pastors, yes man of God and certainly women have gotten
on the, on the women's side of things just get really sucked into this deception.
Do they don't see the damage and the and they don't recognize, I think the damage that it
brings upon not only them but potentially other generations to come.
Well, their argument is that the Scottish rite is not the same as you know, the original,
but still when you look at.
I mean Andrew Pike is the one who brought the Scottish rite over, I believe, into the
United States and he, he was not a Christian man so.
Well, and that's it.
And there's, there's just different names.
I mean you're sitting here wondering what the names are, different elements of these
secret societies.
And there's different groups and you know, like parcel lists, you know, just, you know,
we talked about the order of eastern star know people talk about the order of Amaranth,
oddfellows, Buffalo's, druids, foresters, orange elks, Moose, egos, lodges.
Well, the shriners, you have to be a 32nd degree mason to be in the shriners I believe.
So there's that connection.
People have such a hard time struggling say, well, they're such good people.
You know what I mean?
Yes, they are.
They are and people and do good works and they have the hospitals in the things for
children and all that.
So it's not a question of that.
It's just a question of the deception that's at work and unfortunately the deception opens
the door for this demonic torment.
And that's what we're talking about here were that the fact that this involvement in these
kinds of things certainly in freemasons opens the door for demonic torment.
And I think it's worth emphasizing something again that we see.
Um, one of the curses if you liked it, seems to go down through the blood lines and be
heavily involved in people in free masonry and they're either involved in it or in their
heritage is a sickness.
There's a lot of sickness, a lot of physical sicknesses and diseases and in, you know,
and, and part of it, I know the curses that can come upon you, even people vow that if
I leave the freemasonry of right, that read, this will come on my family, they speak, they
speak, that these things will come upon a person's family.
And so, um, that's, that's significant also.
Yeah.
Well I'm, I agree.
You know, and that's what we see a lot of that in deliverance as well, you know, like
I've mentioned earlier with the confusion and the double mindedness and those sorts
of things with the hooding, uh, it becomes, it becomes something that, you know, you almost
have to look at it.
These are entry levels for these spirits to operate because you know, you're giving your
allegiance to a counterfeit light.
And so there's a lot of darkness that comes in when you pledged to a counterfeit light,
you know, because that's what a lot of the posts are referring to is the light and the
promise of the Masonic Lodge.
And so would that.
Then, you know, things get muddy in lists.
Like don mentioned, listened to one of our listened to one of our teachings on generational
things because the enemy doesn't really care how he gets an inroad.
Now you can look at the foundation of a, the original pure foundation of free masonry and
what people are building this up on.
Um, it's got a lot of open doors.
And so those spirits, how they enter in through the, through the sins of your father will
come down through the blood line and try to gain gain entrance by getting you to open
up something similar so that they'll be able to come upon you.
So it may not have to be like you're a free mason.
But if you open up a door pride or you open up a door of secrecy or you start to walk
in those ways of your father, then those spirits are now going to come in and they're going
to torment you.
So again, you may say, well, my dad was but I'm not, so I don't need to worry about it.
Those kinds of spirits have come into your family.
Bloodline are going to have to be booted out in the enemy, will repackage it to look different
for you, but if they gained an entrance with your forefathers, and let's face it, the United
States was built by Freemasons, wasn't it?
No, it is.
It's a long history of that.
A lot of things out there you can read about that and even elements.
People look at elements of the money in dollar bills in one go, so it's definitely intertwined
with our, with our heritage students coming over from the English in the background thing
there, so it's definitely intertwined in society and it's actively involved in society today,
which is why we want to talk about this so we can say if you're you, if this speaks to
you is you're actively involved in it now or as you say, got it in your bloodline, then
you should be aware of the factors.
Very likely been some open door for demonic torment.
So what do you do?
Well, good news.
We got good news for you.
It doesn't have to be really complicated.
I think that's the good thing about God, don't you?
Well, I do.
It's for every plan and scheme of the enemy.
There's a victory that's there for you and I think it just starts with hopefully that
recognizing if you've got it in your bloodline, you know, because like I said, many people
say, well, I don't know.
I'm not, I don't do that.
Well, that was me.
I thought it right.
Exactly.
But it is in your bloodline.
That's the potential for open door.
And so it's something obviously we, we ministered to and we have people in here for counseling
or through the private sessions and even our group seminars.
We, we make sure that that gets addressed.
The whole thing of free masonry and there's some good resources out there on the Internet,
um, Christian based organizations to help this.
We've come across one sometime back.
It's, I believe the name is still jubilee ministries international or Julio, they see
one here, jubilees ministries trust in New Zealand.
They're focused.
I think there's maybe even in Australia also, I know there's the United States if you like,
branches of this, but I encourage you to look at that jubilee ministries.
They have a prayer of release for free masons and their descendants that you can walk through
that you can declare, I shouldn't say d Walkthrough, you can declare it.
I'd say that should be as a first step for people and it's very thorough.
It's very detailed in terms of renouncing and denouncing and dealing with things in
your mind, what they've spoken to level of the level of detail is amazing.
It's about two or three pages that's on our website.
Stay tuned.
The end, we'll tell you how to get ahold of that.
It's on our, um, academy website in our resource library.
Totally free resource that you can have that we make available, like say for what many
times we will give this to our clients to pray when we're doing ministry for them in
the, in the office because it's just so, so specific for free masonry.
So that's.
So that's one thing to doing.
And secondly, quite honestly, if you do these things and you're not getting relief or victory,
then I think you need to be open to that, to the prospect of deliverance ministry.
You say, look, I need, you know, I knew these prayer and break these things, but if that
in and of itself isn't enough, then then consider getting deliverance ministry.
I think that's many times what it is, is, isn't just these devils you know, around you
and attached to you and you know, they, they, they may literally be in dwelling you and
your soul and that's what the realm of deliverance ministry.
So I think that's something that people should consider.
Oh Man.
Well, I agree.
Well, you know, again, the good part about this is we're right here.
The resources are right here.
We'll get to, to that resource.
You know, if you, if you're hearing this and you're not in our jurisdiction, we still have
lots of opportunity to pray for people on skype so you're never alone.
You know, you're in our tribe, you're hearing the sound, so don't hold back,
right?
And look locally to see what's around.
See what's around where you live too.
You know this just to see, get help where you can, but just recognize and know that,
that because of this family history and free masonry, maybe, maybe this spiritual root
of a lot of what you're dealing with and needs to get dealt with spiritually.
So definitely want to encourage you to do that, right?
We hope that you've enjoyed this podcast.
We'd love to hear from you.
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I think that's, uh, that's what we wanted to cover today.
I hope you'll check those out.
Keep in mind also on our academy website, we also have as resources for the bootcamp,
you will learn how to do deliverance, ministry training, ministry to children as well.
Lots of things there.
So please keep in touch with us, email us, let us know, suggestions for future topics.
We really want these to be relevant to you, the topics that we picked that are the most
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