THAT MIGHT COME. >> WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE GEARS
RIGHT HERE BECAUSE I'VE JUST BEEN HANDED THIS.
THIS IS HOT OFF THE PRESS. "THE WASHINGTON POST," 7:01 P.M.
POSTING A STORY WITH THE HEADLINE, RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR
TOLD MOSCOW THAT KUSHNER WANTED SECRET COMMUNICATIONS CHANNEL
WITH KREMLIN. THE IDEA HERE THAT KUSHNER --
RUSSIA'S AMBASSADOR TO WASHINGTON DISCUSSING THE
POSSIBILITY OF SETTING UP A SECRET AND SECURE COMMUNICATIONS
CHANNEL BETWEEN THE TRUMP TRANSITION TEAM AND THE KREMLIN
USING RUSSIAN DIPLOMATIC FACILITIES IN AN APPARENT MOVE
TO SHIELD THEIR DISCUSSIONS FROM MONITORING ACCORDING TO U.S.
OFFICIALS BRIEFED ON INTELLIGENCE REPORTS.
THAT'S FROM THIS REPORT. AGAIN, "THE WASHINGTON POST"
JUST BREAKING THIS. RUTH MARCUS, YOU'RE WITH "THE
WASHINGTON POST." I'M JUST TRYING TO GET UP TO
SPEED. I'VE BEEN HANDED THIS.
TELL OUR VIEWERS WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS.
>> WELL, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF THE STORY, IT'S EXACTLY AS
YOU SAID IT, AND IT ANSWERS THE QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN OUT THERE
SINCE THE REPORTING FROM YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE.
IF JARED KUSHNER IS A SUBJECT OF INVESTIGATION, WHAT EXACTLY IS
BEING INVESTIGATED? IT APPEARS THERE IS THIS
UNUSUAL-SOUNDING REQUEST FOR SOME KIND OF BACK-CHANNEL
COMMUNICATION WITH THE RUSSIANS DURING THE TRANSITION.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASONS
WERE FOR THAT, BUT IT CERTAINLY LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING VERY
UNUSUAL. AND IT KIND OF UNDERSCORES THE
ISSUE OF HOW BADLY REALLY THE WHITE HOUSE DOES NEED SOME KINDS
OF DAMAGE CONTROL TEAM THERE. BUT THE WAY IT'S BEEN DESCRIBED,
YOU CAN'T HAVE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN
CONTRIBUTING TO THE DAMAGE RUNNING THE DAMAGE CONTROL TEAM.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO BRING IN A SET OF LAWYERS AND A
SET OF COMMUNICATIONS PROFESSIONALS WHOSE SOLE AND
ONLY JOB IS TO DEAL WITH THE CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION AND
THE SPECIAL COUNSEL INVESTIGATION AND THE PRESS
INQUIRIES THAT ARE GOING TO COME.
YOU SORT OF LAID OUT HOW MUCH THEY'VE BEEN COMING OUT THIS
WEEK EVEN WHILE THE PRESIDENT IS AWAY, SO THAT PEOPLE LIKE REINCE
PRIEBUS AND STEVE BANNON AND JARED KUSHNER CAN GO ABOUT DOING
ALL THE OTHER BUSINESS THAT WHITE HOUSES ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
THIS LATEST "WASHINGTON POST" STORY IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF
A REALLY DEEPENING HEADACHE, DEEPENING PROBLEM FOR THE WHITE
HOUSE, CERTAINLY POLITICAL IF NOT LEGAL.
>> JUST A FEW MORE DETAILS. AGAIN, I'M LEARNING OF THIS
ALONG WITH EVERYBODY ELSE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT A FEW MORE
DETAILS FROM THIS ARTICLE, AGAIN BREAKING IN "THE WASHINGTON
POST" RIGHT NOW, SAYING THAT ON DECEMBER 1st OR 2nd -- AGAIN,
THIS WAS IN THE TRANSITION PERIOD AT TRUMP TOWER.
THIS IS WHEN AMBASSADOR KISLYAK, HE REPORTED TO HIS SUPERIORS IN
MOSCOW. THEY HAD A MEETING AT TRUMP
TOWER THAT DAY. JARED KUSHNER MADE THIS
PROPOSAL. THAT MEETING ACCORDING TO "THE
WASHINGTON POST" HERE WAS ALSO ATTENDED BY MICHAEL FLYNN.
OF COURSE FLYNN WENT ON TO BECOME BRIEFLY PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER. MICHAEL FLYNN NOW UNDER
INVESTIGATION, THE SOURCE OF QUITE A BIT OF CONTROVERSY ON
HIS OWN. THE POST ALSO REPORTING HERE
THAT THE WHITE HOUSE DISCLOSED THE FACT OF THAT DECEMBER
MEETING IN MARCH AND PLAYED DOWN ITS SIGNIFICANCE.
READING FROM THE ARTICLE HERE, PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH THE MATTER
SAY THE FBI NOW CONSIDERS THE ENCOUNTER AS WELL AS ANOTHER
MEETING KUSHNER HAD WITH A RUSSIAN BANKER TO BE OF
INVESTIGATIVE INTEREST. CONGRESSMAN, YOUR REACTION TO
WHAT YOU'RE LEARNING SO FAR? >> WELL, IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME.
THE FBI, WHEN THEY DO THEIR INVESTIGATION, THINGS COME
UNCOVERED, AND THEN THEY INVESTIGATE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE A PRESIDENT WHO ALLOWS THE
RUSSIANS, THE RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTER, THE RUSSIAN
AMBASSADOR, AND HE'S TELLING THEM IN THE WHITE HOUSE
CONFIDENTIAL AND SECRET INFORMATION AND THEN GOES ON A
TRIP, AND HE TALKS TO INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE OUR ALLIES
IN NATO AND SAYS THINGS THAT ARE INSULTING TO THEM, THAT ONLY
HELPS RUSSIA. AND THEN YOU SEE THE INDIVIDUALS
OF WHETHER IT'S FLYNN, WHETHER IT'S THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
SESSIONS, WHETHER HIS SON-IN-LAW ALL WITH THE SURROUNDINGS OF
TRYING TO DEAL WITH RUSSIA. HE'S NOT RUNNING FROM THAT.
THEN THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS THERE, AND THAT'S WHY I AM GLAD
WE HAVE A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR WHO WILL TAKE HIS TIME AND UNCOVER
AND LOOK AT EVERY PIECE OF EVIDENCE AND MAKE A JUDGMENT AS
TO WHAT IS OR IS NOT THERE. THIS DOESN'T SURPRISE ME,
THOUGH, JUST BY LOOKING AT ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE
SURROUNDED TRUMP AND JUST WHAT TOOK PLACE IN THE WHITE HOUSE
JUST A WEEK AGO. >> AGAIN, THE HEADLINE HERE,
RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR TOLD MOSCOW THAT KUSHNER WANTED SECRET
COMMUNICATIONS CHANNEL WITH THE KREMLIN.
AND, KEN VOGEL, ALSO TO READ FURTHER IN THIS ARTICLE HERE, IN
TERMS OF THE MOTIVATION HERE, JARED KUSHNER ACCORDING TO THE
POST HERE TOLD THE RUSSIANS THAT THIS WAS A -- IT WOULD BE
POLITICALLY SENSITIVE IF THERE WERE TO BE ANY KIND OF PUBLIC
MEETINGS BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES. HE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO
COMMUNICATION, I GUESS, CANDIDLY, I GUESS FREELY WITHOUT
THE PUBLIC LEARNING OF IT. WHAT IS YOUR READ ON THIS
SITUATION? >> YEAH, I MEAN THAT CERTAINLY
MAKES SENSE FOR HIS MOTIVATION. WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK A WHOLE
LOT FURTHER THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW TO SEE
THE POLITICAL SENSITIVITY OF IT. LET'S NOT FORGET THESE
COMMUNICATIONS OCCURRED THROUGH CHANNELS THAT WERE NOT SECURE,
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE KNOW ABOUT THEM, BECAUSE THE NSA
AND SOME OF THE OFFICIALS WHO ARE IN THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITY, WHO ARE MONITORING RUSSIAN COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN
RUSSIAN DIPLOMATS AND OFFICIALS WITH ANY NUMBER OF PEOPLE PICKED
UP SOME OF THESE COMMUNICATIONS WITH TRUMP FOLKS, ENDED UP
LEAKING IT OUT. MAYBE IF JARED KUSHNER AND
KISLYAK HAD GOTTEN THEIR WAY AND THEY HAD SET UP A SECURE METHOD
OF COMMUNICATIONS, THE NSA WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE
GOTTEN A HOLD OF THOSE COMMUNICATIONS, AND WE MIGHT NOT
KNOW THAT GENERAL FLYNN TALKED WITH AMBASSADOR KISLYAK ABOUT
THE SANCTIONS BEFORE TAKING OFFICE.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT HERE, AS WE HAVE COVERED THIS
ALONG THE WAY, THAT THIS WOULD NOT NECESSARILY ON ITS FACE
ILLEGAL PROVIDED THEY WEREN'T TRYING TO DO DIPLOMACY OUTSIDE
OF THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, WHICH AT THAT POINT WAS
PRESIDENT OBAMA'S. >> I MEAN, RUTH, JUST THINKING
ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW, THIS HAS BEEN TRUE, I THINK, WITH SO MANY
OF THE CONTROVERSIES AND THE REVELATIONS ABOUT THIS
ADMINISTRATION, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO RUSSIA.
YOU COULD, ON THE SURFACE, PROVIDE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
INTERPRETATIONS HERE, SOME INCREDIBLY SINISTER AND
NEFARIOUS. YOU COULD SAY, HEY, LOOK, RUSSIA
WAS TRYING TO INTERFERE WITH THE ELECTION.
THEY WERE TRYING TO HELP DONALD TRUMP.
NOW HERE'S THE TRUMP TEAM IN ITS TRANSITION TRYING TO SET UP SOME
SORT OF SECRET COMMUNICATION CHANNEL WITH THEM.
MAYBE THAT SUGGESTS SOME KIND OF COLLUSION.
THAT WOULD BE THE SINISTER INTERPRETATION.
YOU COULD ALSO SAY, HEY, DONALD TRUMP TALKED IN THE CAMPAIGN
ABOUT HAVING CLOSER RELATIONS WITH RUSSIA, A DIFFERENT KIND OF
RELATIONSHIP WITH RUSSIA. THE CONTROVERSY OVER THE
ELECTION WAS IN THE AIR. MAYBE THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO
HAVE THE PUBLIC CONTROVERSY OVER THIS.
THERE'S ALL THE TALK ABOUT BUSINESS ENTANGLEMENTS.
THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AT LEAST POTENTIALLY TO
INTERPRET STORIES LIKE THIS. >> SURE, AND WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR
THE -- WE ARE STILL AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS STORY.
TO ADD TO THE POTENTIALLY SINISTER THINGS, WE ALSO KNOW
THAT JARED KUSHNER MET WITH A RUSSIAN STATE-OWNED BANK AROUND
THE SAME TIME. SO IS THERE A CONNECTION BETWEEN
THOSE MEETINGS OR SOME FINANCIAL TIES BETWEEN THE KUSHNER
ORGANIZATION AND RUSSIAN BANKS? THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW,
COULD BE PROBLEMATIC, COULD BE NOT PROBLEMATIC, BUT DEFINITELY
NEED TO BE LOOKED INTO. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU DO HAVE TO
ASK GIVEN ALL OF THE STUFF THAT WAS GOING ON WITH COMPLAINTS
ABOUT RUSSIAN INVOLVEMENT IN THE ELECTION, WHY WOULD YOU DO
SOMETHING THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL APPEARANCE OF SINISTERNESS?
IT'S AT THE VERY LEAST INCREDIBLY DUMB.
>> CONGRESSMAN? >> HERE'S WHAT WE DO KNOW,
BECAUSE ALL OF OUR INVESTIGATIVE AGENCIES, 17 OF THEM, SAID
RUSSIA DID PLAY A ROLE IN THIS ELECTION.
THAT'S A FACT. AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE KNOW
THAT THEN-CANDIDATE TRUMP SAID RUSSIA, WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING --
HE SAID IT PUBLICLY. HE DIDN'T HIDE IT.
CONTINUE TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
THAT'S A FACT. IT IS ALSO A FACT THAT FLYNN,
SESSIONS LIED WHEN THEY WERE FILLING OUT THE THEIR APPLICATI
TO BE CLASSIFIED, TO GET CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.
WE KNOW THAT SESSIONS LIED WHEN HE WENT BEFORE THE SENATE
CONFIRMATION COMMITTEE. WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TRIED TO
HIDE AT EVERY STEP ANY KIND OF
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