REPUBLICANS? IN THIS CASE, SILENCE.
>> REPUBLICANS BEING HYPOCRITICAL AND SAYING
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. WE'RE TOLD WE HAVE ON THE PHONE
PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER. MR. PRESIDENT, A GREAT HONOR TO
HAVE YOU WITH US THIS MORNING. >> THANK YOU.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS -- ONE OF THE MOST REM REMARKABLE THINGS T
ZBIG BRZEZINSKI IS HOW FIERCELY LOYAL HE WAS TO YOU.
WE KNOW WASHINGTON FIGURES THAT LOVE TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY
WOULD HAVE DONE THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
I CAN TELL YOU IN ALL THE YEARS I'VE KNOWN HIM, ALL THE YEARS
MIKA HAS KNOWN HIM, ALL HE'S DONE IS SAID WONDERFUL THINGS
ABOUT YOU IN PUBLIC, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IN PRIVATE.
>> WELL, THE FEELING WAS MUTUAL. IDENTIFY OFTEN SAID OF ALL THE
PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT, THERE WAS NO ONE MORE LOYAL TO ME THAN
BRZEZINSKI WAS. EVEN WHEN HE DISAGREED WITH ME,
HE KIND OF STAYED QUIET, WHICH WAS OFTEN.
THAT'S WHEN WE WERE IN THE WHITE HOUSE TOGETHER AND ALSO
AFTERWARDS. HE WAS A GREAT PUBLIC SERVANT IS
AND ONE OF THE BEST I'VE KNOWN. HE WAS INNOVATIVE AND FULL OF
HUMOR. WE STARTED OUT THE MORNING AT
8:00 EVERY MORNING FOR FOUR YEARS.
IT WAS A PLEASURE TO LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING WITH
BRZEZINSKI AND LEARNING WHAT HE THOUGHT AND ALSO GETTING HIS
WONDERFUL IDEAS. >> AND NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE
OTHER SIDE OF -- MEEK CAN KA CAN CAN BE A REAL PAIN AT TIMES.
>> NO. >> HE WAS A PAIN TO OTHER
PEOPLE. HE NEVER WAS A PAIN TO ME.
ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, HE OFTEN DISAGREED WITH ME, SOMETIMES
WITHIN OUR OWN STAFF MEETINGS. BUT THAT WAS PART OF THE VALUE
THAT HE BROUGHT TO ME AND ALSO TO THE COUNTRY.
>> SO, I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US THIS MORNING.
I HAD THE HONOR OF SPENDING TIME WITH YOU IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND
AT CAMP DAVID PLAYING WITH YOUR DAUGHTER AMY.
I WATCHED YOU AND MY FATHER INTERACT.
WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR FONDEST MEMORIES OF TIME WITH MY FATHER?
>> WELL, HE WOULD ALWAYS START OUT A DAY WITH A JOKE OR SOME
FUNNY THING THAT HAD HAPPENED WITH HIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
AND HE WOULD HAVE MAYBE TEN NEW IDEAS EVERY MORNING AND ABOUT
TWO OR THREE OF THEM WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBLE TO PURSUE.
QUITE OFTEN IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT THEY WOULD DISAGREE
WITH THE ONE I CHOSE BUT ZBIG NEVER DID.
I ENJOYED PLAYING TENNIS WITH HIM, JOGGING WITH HIM.
THERE WAS NOBODY IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH WHOM I FELT MORE AT
HOME AND FRIENDLY THAN ZBIG. WE HAD AN INTENSE AND CLOSE
PERSONAL FRIENDSHIP FOR THE FOUR YEARS.
AND HE WAS THE ORIGINATOR OF SOME OF THE BEST IDEAS I HAD.
NO ONE EVER SUGGESTED TO ME THAT WE HAVE A PEACE TALKS BETWEEN
ISRAEL AND EGYPT EXCEPT ZBIG. BUT HE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD
IDEA. EVEN THOUGH THE PUBLIC NEVER
THOUGHT ABOUT IT NOR ANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE VERY INTERESTED
IN THE MIDDLE EAST. SO, ZBIG WAS ALWAYS IN THE
FOREFRONT OF NEW IDEAS AND GOOD IDEAS.
HE WAS ALSO EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE WHEN I SENT HIM ON FOREIGN
TRIPS. HE ALWAYS GOT A LOT OF CRITICISM
FROM "THE WASHINGTON POST" AND OTHER NEWS MEDIA WHEN HE WENT ON
A TRIP WITH ME, THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND OTHERS, BUT ONE
OF THE TIMES WHEN WE WANTED TO NORMALIZE DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS
WITH CHINA, WHEN I SENT THE SECRETARY OF STATE OVER, IT WAS
KIND OF A COMPLETE FLOP AS FAR AS THE TRIP WAS CAN CONCERNED.
SO, I DECIDED TO SEND ZBIG OVER. HE HAD AN INSTANT FRIENDSHIP
WITH PENG AND THE CHINESE LEADERS AND THAT BROKE THE ICE
TO BRING ABOUT NORMALIZATION OF RELATIONS WITH CHINA.
I THINK YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, WHEN PENG CAN CAME TO THE UNITED
STATES, HE SPENT THE FIRST NIGHT EATING SUPPER WITH YOU AND YOUR
FAMILY IN YOUR OWN HOME. >> THAT WAS AN INCREDIBLE
MEMORY, FOR SURE. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THAT
INCREDIBLE -- THE STORY OF THE CHESS MATCH BETWEEN MY FATHER AT
CAMP DAVID. I WAS ACTUALLY THERE, IF YOU CAN
BELIEVE IT, TRYING NOT TO GET IN THE WAY.
NOT DOING WELL AT THAT. YOU MENTIONED TENNIS,
MR. PRESIDENT. >> YES.
>> DID HE CHEAT AT TENNIS EVER? >> WELL, ZBIG USED TO GET ANGRY
WITH ME SOMETIMES WHEN I WOULD CALL A FOOTBALL ON HIM.
WE PLAYED SINGLES AGAINST EACH OTHER.
AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE WE HAD A NICE COURT THERE AND ALSO UP AT
CAMP DAVID. WE NOT ONLY PLAYED TENNIS BUT WE
ALSO JOGGED AND RODE BIKES TOGETHER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT WAS A VERY INTENSE AND NATIONAL PERSONAL FRIENDSHIP.
>> WILLIE GEIST. >> MR. PRESIDENT, IT'S WILLIE
GEIST, AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU ON THIS MORNING.
I WOULD ASK YOU IN CONTEXT WITH ALL WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
WITH THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE. THAT IS THIS, WHAT WAS THE VALUE
TO YOU YOU OF HAVING SOMEONE AS SMART AND OPINIONATED AS
DR. BRZEZINSKI TO WALK INTO YOUR OFFICE EVERY DAY AND PERHAPS
TELL YOU UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS OR TELL YOU SOMETHING MAYBE YOU
THOUGHT TO BE RIGHT WAS ACTUALLY WRONG?
HOW DID YOU SEE THAT? >> WELL, IT'S EXTREMELY VALUABLE
TO ME. QUITE OFTEN THE NEWS MEDIA
DIDN'T GIVE ZBIG CREDIT FOR BEING SO POSITIVE.
EVERYTHING HE EVER PROPOSED, WHICH QUITE OFTEN WAS INNOVATIVE
AND SOMETHING NO ONE ELSE HAD EVER THOUGHT OF, YOU KNOW, ABOUT
HAVING A NUCLEAR ARMS AGREEMENT WITH THE SOVIET AND NORMALIZING
RELATIONS WITH CHINA, WHICH I ALREADY MENTIONED, AND PEACE
BETWEEN EGYPT AND ISRAEL AND THE PANAMA CANAL TREATIES, IT WAS
VERY GOOD TO HAVE SOMEBODY I KNEW WOULD ALWAYS TELL ME THE
TRUTH, ALWAYS SAY WHAT HE THOUGHT, EVEN IF IT DISAGREED
WITH WHAT I THOUGHT. AND PURSUE HIS OBJECTIVE AS LONG
AS HE COULD. ONCE I MADE A DECISION, THOUGH,
EVEN IF IT WAS SOMETHING WITH WHICH ZBIG DISAGREED, HE WENT
ALONG WITH IT AND SUPPORTED MY OPINION WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
SO, QUITE OFTEN, I HAD TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND
ZBIG'S STAFF. ORDINARILY, I CAME DOWN ON THE
RIGHT SIDE, THAT WAS BRZEZINSKI'S STAFF.
>> MR. PRESIDENT, I WAS -- I WAS TALKING TO MIKA'S DAUGHTERS THIS
WEEKEND. AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE IMPACT
THAT YOU ALL HAD ON THE WORLD AND TALKED ABOUT THE MIDDLE
EAST. YOU HEAR ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST
PEACE. BUT YOU KNOW PRESIDENT CARTER'S
PEACE EFFORTS BETWEEN ISRAEL AND EGYPT PREVENTED A GROUND WAR IN
THE MIDDLE EAST FOR 40 YEARS. AND YOU LOOK AT CHINA.
THE BREAKTHROUGH IN CHINA AND GETTING THEM OVER TO THE UNITED
STATES AND REALLY PURSUING THAT. IT'S COMPLETELY CHANGED THE
WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN. LIVE IN. EVEN NOW, IS IT, WITH HINDSIGHT
OF 40, 50 YEARS, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON YOUR ENDURING
ACHIEVEMENTS AND THE GREAT
IMPACT IT'S HAD ON THIS WORLD? >> I WOULD SAY THERE ARE FOUR
THINGS THAT TROUBLED US WHEN I WENT INTO THE WHITE HOUSE, AND
BRZEZINSKI AND I, YOU KNOW, HAD AN INTIMATE CONVERSATION ABOUT
THEM. ONE WAS, THE LONG-LASTING WAR
BETWEEN EGYPT AND ISRAEL. THEY HAD HAD THREE MAJOR
CONFLICTS SPANNING 25 YEARS BEFORE WE GOT THERE.
WE SOLVED THAT. THE NEXT THING WAS THE NUCLEAR
ARMS AGREEMENT WITH THE SOVIET UNION AND WE WORKED OUT THE
AGREEMENT WITH BRITISH HELP AND ALSO THE NEXT THING WE HAD HAD
35 YEARS OF ALIENATION BETWEEN US AND WHAT WAS GOING TO BE THE
LEADING ECONOMIC POWERHOUSE IN THE WORLD AND THAT WAS CHINA.
. AND IT WAS A VERY SERIOUS HUMAN
RIGHTS POLICY AND THE WAY WE TREATED THE PANAMANIANS ON THE
PANAMA CANAL. WE SOLVED FOUR OF THOSE THINGS
WITH BIZ'S INFLUENCE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING
ON THE SHOW THIS MORNING AND HELPING REMEMBER MY FATHER.
NO ONE BETTER. >> THANK YOU, MIKA.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO TALK TO YOU PERSONALLY.
I TALKED TO IAN, YOUR BROTHER, THE NIGHT BEFORE LAST AND YOUR
MOTHER. IN FACT, THE WHOLE FAMILY WAS
JUST FRIENDS WITH THE CARTER FAMILY AND IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE
MOST VALUABLE THINGS IN MY LIFE, THE RELATIONSHIP THAT I ENJOY
WITH DR. BRZEZINSKI AND I THINK ONE OF THE BEST THINGS THAT EVER
HAPPENED TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS HAVING HIM IN THE
FOREFRONT OF SHAPING OUR FOREIGN POLICY AND THE BOOK HE WROTE AND
INTERVIEWS ON TELEVISION AND THE TIMES OF CRISIS WERE ALWAYS
POSITIVE AND SOUND AND GOOD JUDGMENT.
HE WAS THE MOST BRI BRILLIANT PN THAT I HAVE EVER KNOWN.
HE WAS COMPLETELY DEDICATED TO SERVING THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA AND VERY LOYAL TO ME PERSONALLY, SO HE WAS A GREAT
FRIEND AND YOU CAN BE TRULY PROUD OF HIM.
>> I AM. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
VERY GENEROUS. >> BYE-BYE.
>> BYE-BYE. ON OUR WEBSITE WE'RE POSTING
INFORMATION ON THE CHARITIES MY DAD WOULD HAVE WANTED PEOPLE TO
SUPPORT INCLUDING THE CARTER CENTER.
WE'LL HAVE MORE IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO.
>> WHAT'S -- IT WAS REMARKABLE. >> THAT WAS REMARKABLE.
>> WHAT PRESIDENT CARTER SAID, JUST REMARKABLE.
FRANK, I WANT TO UNDERLINE SOMETHING THAT WAS ONE OF MY
GREATEST IMPRESSIONS AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I RESPECTED DR.
BRZEZINSKI SO MUCH OVER THE PAST DECADE, AFTER WE GOT PAST THE
STUNNINGLY SUPERFICIAL REMARK. >> THERE WAS THAT.
>> WAS BECAUSE WE'VE ALL BEEN AROUND, WE'VE ALL TALKED TO
SECRETARIES OF STATES AND TO NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISORS AND
YOU NAME IT, GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, THEY GET OUT OF
POWER, THEY'RE SITTING AROUND, THEY'RE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, AND
THERE'S ALWAYS A LITTLE PUNCH AT THE PERSON THEY SERVED AND THAT
DIDN'T WORK AND THAT DIDN'T WORK BECAUSE OF THIS AND THAT DIDN'T
WORK BECAUSE OF THAT. DR. BRZEZINSKI AND THE 10, 12
YEARS THAT I KNEW HIM IN PRIVATE, WHEN IT WAS JUST DR.
BRZEZINSKI AND MYSELF AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DID YOU
FEEL ABOUT THIS, WHEN THE TRAGEDY IN THE DESERT IN 1980,
WHOSE FAULT, I HEARD IT WAS AN INNER AGENCY FAULT HE SAID NO,
MY FAULT. I SAID WAS THAT THE LOW POINT OF
YOUR SERVICE. HE SAID NO, THAT WAS THE LOW
POINT OF MY LIFE. HE ALWAYS TOOK IT -- EVEN IN
PRIVATE, HE WAS ALWAYS FIERCELY LOYAL TO THE PRESIDENT HE
SERVED. I NEVER SEEN THAT IN MANY OTHER
PEOPLE. >> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK
IS SADLY MISSING FROM PUBLIC LIFE TODAY AND THAT OBSERVATION
IS LARGER THAN JUST THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
>> YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT.
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