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>>> THIS IS A LITTLE BIT WEIRD. I NEED TO START WITH A PERSONAL
CAVEAT THIS EVENING. I ACTUALLY SPENT THE DAY
HOMESICK. I CAME INTO WORK.
I REALIZED I WAS TOO SICK TO BE HERE.
I WENT AND SAW A DOCTOR. AND THEN ON DOCTOR'S ADVICE, I
WENT HOMESICK. I THEN CAME BACK IN BECAUSE OF
TONIGHT'S BREAKING NEWS, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE IT IS NBC
NEWS THAT IS BREAKING PART OF IT.
BUT YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL THAT I'M NOT -- I'M NOT AT MY BEST.
JUST AS A HUMAN HERE, I HAVE TO TELL YOU I'M A LITTLE BIT OF A
MESS. I'M ON MEDS THAT MAKE ME OUT OF
IT. I APOLOGIZE FOR NEITHER LOOKING
NOR SOUNDING NOR BEING MY BEST. BUT YOU KNOW, ONCE IN A
LIFETIME, THIS STORY. WHEN I GOT THE CALL ABOUT THIS
NEWS, I WANTED TO COME IN BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS
IMPORTANT. AND HERE'S THE CONTOURS, THE
VERY BASIC CONTEXT OF WHAT JUST HAPPENED.
THIS STORY, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, WE'RE GOING TO CONFIRM
THIS WITH ONE OF THE REPORTERS WHO BROKE THIS STORY IN JUST A
MOMENT, BUT I THINK WHAT WE JUST LEARNED TONIGHT ACTUALLY STARTED
ON FRIDAY NIGHT. ON FRIDAY NIGHT, "THE WASHINGTON
POST" BROKE TWO IMPORTANT PIECES OF NEWS.
FIRST THEY REPORTED THAT THE FBI INVESTIGATION INTO THE
TRUMP-RUSSIA AFFAIR WAS FOCUSED IN ON MONEY, ON POTENTIAL
FINANCIAL CRIMES COMMITTED BY PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THAT WAS POSTED IN "THE TIMES" ON FRIDAY
NIGHT, THAT POINT WAS SORT OF SURMISABLE FROM SOME OTHER
THINGS WE HAD SEEN REPORTED, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE GRAND JURY
SUBPOENAS FOR BUSINESS RECORDS FOR SECURITY RECORDS FROM MIKE
FLYNN, ALSO FROM THE TREASURY'S FINANCIAL CRIME UNIT.
WE HAD SOME INDICATIONS THAT MONEY WAS BECOMING CENTRAL TO
THE FBI'S INVESTIGATION. OR AT LEAST TO SOME OF THESE
INVESTIGATIONS. BUT THAT "WASHINGTON POST"
REPORT ON FRIDAY NIGHT WAS THE FIRST DIRECT, CLEAR REPORTING WE
HAD THAT FINANCIAL CRIMES ARE THE POINT OR AT LEAST A POINT OF
FOCUS FOR THE FBI. SO THAT WAS ONE THING "THE POST"
BROKE ON FRIDAY NIGHT. THE OTHER SCOOP THEY HAD ON
FRIDAY NIGHT WAS THE OTHER ONE THAT MADE THE HEADLINE.
RUSSIA PROBE REACHES CURRENT WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL, ACCORDING
TO PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH THE CASE.
SO A PERSON OF INTEREST IN THE TRUMP-RUSSIA INVESTIGATION.
NOT JUST WHO WAS A TRUMP ASSOCIATE OR WORKED IN BUSINESS
WITH TRUMP OR WAS PART OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN OR IS A FIRED
OFFICIAL WHO USED TO BE IN THE CAMPAIGN.
BUT SOMEBODY CURRENTLY WORKING IN THE WHITE HOUSE AT A VERY
HIGH LEVEL, WORKING AS A SENIOR ADVISER TO THE PRESIDENT.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE PERSON WHO WAS THE PERSON OF
INTEREST FOR THE FBI'S INVESTIGATION IN THE
TRUMP-RUSSIA PROBE IS DESCRIBED AS BEING SOMEONE, QUOTE, BEING
CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT. THAT IS WHAT WE HAD AS OF FRIDAY
NIGHT. AND NOW, NBC NEWS REPORTS THAT
THE PERSON OF INTEREST HAS A NAME, AND THAT NAME IS JARED
KUSHNER. JARED KUSHNER, SENIOR WHITE
HOUSE ADVISER. HE IS THE PRESIDENT'S
SON-IN-LAW, UNLIKE ANY OTHER PRESIDENTIAL FAMILY MEMBER IN
U.S. HISTORY, HE HAS A VAST POLICY PORTFOLIO.
WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, A MEMBER OF THE PRESIDENT'S FAMILY IN THE
CABINET BEFORE AS ATTORNEY GENERAL.
WE'VE HAD A MEMBER OF THE PRESIDENT'S FAMILY WORKING ON A
SPECIFIC POLICY, HILLARY CLINTON WORKING ON HEALTH REFORM FOR
BILL CLINTON. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE DO
SPECIFIC THINGS FOR THEIR FAMILY MEMBER WHO IS A PRESIDENT.
BUT HIS POLICY PORTFOLIO IS EVERYTHING FROM MIDDLE EAST
PEACE TO MEXICO TO CHINA TO ALL TRADE DEALS TO BROADBAND
NATIONWIDE TO THE OPIOID CRISIS. KIND OF EVERYTHING YOU CAN NAME
HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS JARED'S PORTFOLIO.
IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE, HE IS A FIGURE AS CLOSE TO THE PRESIDENT
AND AS CLOSE TO THE POWERS OF THE PRESIDENCY AS IT IS POSSIBLE
TO BE WITHOUT BEING DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF.
SO NBC NEWS REPORTS TONIGHT THAT JARED KUSHNER IS NOW UNDER
SCRUTINY IN THE FBI'S TRUMP-RUSSIA PROBE.
THIS IS ACCORDING TO MULTIPLE U.S. OFFICIALS.
THOSE OFFICIALS TELLING NBC NEWS TONIGHT THAT JARED KUSHNER IS A
PERSON OF INTEREST, WHICH IS A TERM THAT HAS NO LEGAL MEANING,
BUT PEOPLE USE IT IN THE NEWS ALL THE TIME.
AND TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS, MR. KUSHNER IS UNDER
SCRUTINY. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE IS
A SUSPECT. FROM NBC NEWS REPORTS, NBC NEWS'
REPORT TONIGHT, QUOTE, INVESTIGATORS BELIEVE JARED
KUSHNER HAS SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION RELEVANT TO THEIR
INQUIRY. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY SUSPECT
HIM OF A CRIME OR INTEND TO CHARGE HIM.
THE OFFICIALS SAID KUSHNER IS IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY FROM FORMER
TRUMP AIDES PAUL MANAFORT AND MICHAEL FLYNN WHO ARE FORMALLY
CONSIDERED SUBJECTS OF THE INVESTIGATION.
JARED KUSHNER, THEY BELIEVE, HAS USEFUL INFORMATION.
NOW, NBC REPORTS TONIGHT THAT IT REMAINS UNCLEAR, QUOTE, WHAT
PRECISELY ABOUT KUSHNER'S ACTIVITIES HAS DRAWN THE FBI'S
INTEREST. THAT SAID, NBC NEWS HAD THIS
STORY TONIGHT. "THE WASHINGTON POST" ALSO HAD
THIS STORY TONIGHT, THEY ALSO BROKE THIS STORY AT BASICALLY
THE SAME TIME AS NBC DID. I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY MINUTE TO
MINUTE WHO PUT THEIRS OUT FIRST, BUT I TOLD YOU, I WAS HOMESICK
ALL DAY, AND AT THE TIME THESE STORIES BROKE I WAS LIKE THIS.
ON THE COUCH UNTIL MY PHONE RANG.
SO I DON'T KNOW. ACTUALLY I THINK I HURT MYSELF
JUST DOING THAT. WHOO.
I CAN TELL YOU IN "THE WASHINGTON POST"'S VERSION THEY
BROKE TONIGHT, THEY ADD THIS, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY.
QUOTE, KUSHNER, WHO HELD MEETINGS IN DECEMBERR WITH THE
RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR AND A BANKER FROM MOSCOW, IS BEING
INVESTIGATED BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THE EXTENT AND NATURE OF HIS
INTERACTIONS WITH THE RUSSIANS. NOW, ALL RIGHT, THEN.
IF POSSIBLE FINANCIAL CRIMES BY PEOPLE NEAR THE PRESIDENT IS A
FOCUS OF THE FBI'S INQUIRIES, AND THE EXTENT AND NATURE OF
JARED KUSHNER'S INTERACTIONS WITH THE RUSSIANS IS WHY THE
PRESIDENT'S SON-IN-LAW HAS BECOME A KEY PERSON OF INTEREST
IN THE INVESTIGATION, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THOSE TWO THINGS?
DOES THAT MEAN NECESSARILY THAT THOSE TWO THINGS ARE LINKED,
FINANCIAL CRIMES AND LINKS WITH THE RUSSIANS, RIGHT?
DOES THAT MEAN THERE ARE FINANCIAL ELEMENTS OF THE WAY
THE RUSSIANS INTERACTED WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN THAT ARE
SUGGESTING POSSIBLE COOPERATION OR COLLUSION?
ARE THOSE TWO THINGS CONNECTED? IF YOU FOLLOW THE MONEY, DOES
THAT GET YOU TO THE QUESTION OF COOPERATION OR COLLUSION?
IS THAT WHAT WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO UNDERSTANDING TONIGHT?
NOW, WE HAVE KNOWN SINCE LAST MONTH THAT WHEN JARED KUSHNER
APPLIED FOR HIS SECURITY CLEARANCE, HE FAILED TO DISCLOSE
ON HIS SECURITY CLEARANCE APPLICATION DOZENS OF CONTACTS
THAT HE HAD WITH FOREIGN OFFICIALS, INCLUDING MEETINGS
WITH RUSSIAN OFFICIALS. WE KNOW THAT ONE OF THE MEETINGS
HE DID NOT DISCLOSE WITH THE RUSSIAN OFFICIAL WAS WITH THE
RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR. BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT ANOTHER
ONE OF THE MEETINGS HE DIDN'T DISCLOSE WAS WITH A DIFFERENT
RUSSIAN. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON THE
SHOW BEFORE. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS RENEWED
FOCUS ON THIS ASPECT OF JARED KUSHNER'S LAST FEW MONTHS, NOW
THAT HE SEEMS TO HAVE RISEN TO THE TOP AS A PERSON OF INTEREST
IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THE MEETING THAT HE TOOK, NOT
WITH THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR BUT WITH A DIFFERENT RUSSIAN
OFFICIAL, HAD TO DO WITH A BANK CALLED VEB.
VEB IS BASICALLY A RUSSIAN STATE CONTROLLED BANK.
WHEN I SAY IT'S STATE-CONTROLLED, ONE OF THE
THINGS I MEAN ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY IS VLADIMIR PUTIN
USED TO CHAIR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE BANK.
PUTIN IS KNOWN TO DIRECT THE ACTIVITIES OF VEB BANK HIMSELF
PERSONALLY. PUTIN'S POSITION AT THE HEAD OF
THAT BANK ALLOWED HIM TO USE THAT BANK TO FINANCE THE SOCHI
OLYMPICS CONSTRUCTION, WHICH OF COURSE WAS CRAZILY, CRAZILY OVER
BUDGET, THE MOST EXPENSIVE OLYMPICS EVER.
THAT FINANCING FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION WENT THROUGH VEB
BANK AT PUTIN'S DIRECTION. VEB ALSO OCCUPIES A VERY
INTERESTING CORNER OF THE INTELLIGENCE WORLD.
VEB IS UNDER SANCTIONS BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT BECAUSE
OF ITS LINKS TO AND ITS FACILITATION OF THE ACTIVITIES
OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. A TOP EXECUTIVE IN VEB'S NEW
YORK OFFICE JUST RECENTLY THIS YEAR GOT OUT OF FEDERAL PRISON
IN THE UNITED STATES. HE HAD BEEN SERVING TIME IN OHIO
AFTER BEING CONVICTED BASICALLY AS SERVING AS AN UNDECLARED
RUSSIAN SPY WHILE HE WAS PURPORTING TO WORK FOR VEB BANK
IN NEW YORK CITY. THE CHARGING DOCUMENTS AGAINST
THAT SPY SHOWED THAT HIS SPY RING HAD BEEN TRYING TO RECRUIT
AMERICANS BECOME RUSSIAN AGENTS.
ONE OF THOSE TARGETED AMERICANS WAS TRUMP CAMPAIGN ONCE UPON A
TIME FOREIGN POLICY ADVISER CARTER PAGE.
AND ONE OF THE MEETINGS WITH A RUSSIAN OFFICIAL, THAT
PRESIDENTIAL SON-IN-LAW JARED KUSHNER DID NOT DISCLOSE ON HIS
APPLICATION FOR SECURITY CLEARANCE WAS HIS MEETING WITH
THE HEAD OF THIS BANK. AND THE HEAD OF THIS BANK
HIMSELF HAS TIES TO RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE.
AND THE HEAD OF THIS BANK HIMSELF WAS PERSONALLY TAPPED
FOR THAT POSITION RUNNING THAT BANK.
JUST LAST YEAR BY VLADIMIR PUTIN HIMSELF.
PUTIN INSTALLED THIS GUY AT THE TOP OF VEB LAST YEAR.
THEN THIS GUY AFTER THE ELECTION MEETS PERSONALLY WITH JARED
KUSHNER. SO IF UP AN INVESTIGATOR SIFTING
THROUGH CURIOUS COLLISIONS OF PROPER NAMES UNTIL THE
RUSSIA-TRUMP INVESTIGATION, YOU WOULD HAVE JARED KUSHNER AND THE
RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MEETINGS
THAT THEY DIDN'T DISCLOSE WITH THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR.
BUT YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE THIS OTHER THING THAT OTHER PEOPLE
DON'T SEEM TO HAVE, WHICH IS JARED KUSHNER AND THIS
STATE-CONTROLLED RUSSIAN BANK THAT'S LINKED TO THE RUSSIAN
INTELLIGENCE SERVICES. IF YOU'RE AN INVESTIGATOR,
YOU'VE ALREADY GOT LIKE STRING TIED BETWEEN THOSE TWO TACKS ON
YOUR BULLETIN BOARD. YOU MIGHT ALSO REMEMBER THAT
JUST LAST WEEK, "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" REPORTED A NEW PIECE OF
INFORMATION ABOUT THAT BANK, ABOUT VEB BANK, AND ITS
PREVIOUSLY UNREPORTED TIES TO THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION.
"WALL STREET JOURNAL" REPORTED JUST LAST WEEK THAT VEB PUMPED
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO TRUMP'S BUSINESS PARTNER IN A BIG
TRUMP-BRANDED TORONTO BUILDING THAT HAS HAD LOTS OF FINANCIAL
DIFFICULTIES. SO NOW WE HAVE, ACCORDING TO NBC
NEWS AND "THE WASHINGTON POST," WE HAVE JARED KUSHNER NAMED AS
THE FOCUS OF THE FBI INVESTIGATION INSIDE THE WHITE
HOUSE, NOT DESCRIBED AS A SUSPECT, NOT NECESSARILY ACCUSED
OF ANY WRONGDOING, BUT APPARENTLY A PERSON OF INTEREST
TO INVESTIGATORS. WE ALSO JUST MOMENTS AGO --
WAIT, WRONG DIRECTION, I TOLD YOU I'M A LITTLE BIT OUT OF
IT -- MOMENTS AGO WE GOT THIS STATEMENT FROM JARED KUSHNER'S
LAWYER. I WANT TO GIVE IT TO YOU
VERBATIM. STATEMENT FROM JARED KUSHNER'S
LAWYER. QUOTE, MR. KUSHNER PREVIOUSLY
VOLUNTEERED TO SHARE WITH CONGRESS WHAT HE KNOWS ABOUT
THESE MEETINGS, MEANING THE RUSSIAN MEETINGS.
HE WILL DO THE SAME IF HE IS CONTACTED IN CONNECTION WITH ANY
OTHER INQUIRY. I THINK THE LAST "IF" THERE IS
DOING A LOT OF WORK. THE STATEMENT FROM JARED
KUSHNER'S LAWYER TONIGHT SUGGESTING, IF HE IS CONTACTED
IN CONNECTION WITH ANY OTHER INQUIRY SUGGESTS MR. KUSHNER HAS
NOT YET BEEN CONTACTED BY THE FBI IN THE TRUMP-RUSSIA
INVESTIGATION. ONE OF THE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
WE'VE HAD IS WHETHER ANYONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE HAS HAD AN FBI
INTERVIEW SINCE INAUGURATION OR EVEN DURING THE TRANSITION OTHER
THAN THE NOW-FIRED NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER MIKE FLYNN.
WE STILL DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
WE HAVE A HINT FROM MR. KUSHNER'S LAWYER TONIGHT THAT
JARED KUSHNER HAS NOT SPOKEN WITH THE FBI, AT LEAST NOT YET.
JOINING US NOW FROM "THE WASHINGTON POST" NEWSROOM IS ONE
OF FOUR HEAVYWEIGHT REPORTER BY-LINES ABOUT JARED KUSHNER
BEING A FOCUS OF THE FBI INVESTIGATION.
THANKS FOR MAKING TIME FOR US, CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS.
>> THANK YOU, AND THANKS FOR COMING IN ON WHAT PROBABLY
SHOULD HAVE BEEN A DAY OFF. >> I HOPE YOU CAN'T TELL, OTHER
THAN THE FACT THAT I SAID IT. PART OF THE REASON I WANTED TO
TALK TO YOU IS YOU WERE ALSO BY-LINED IN THE REALLY BIG STORY
IN "THE POST" ON FRIDAY NIGHT THAT REPORTED THERE WAS A PERSON
OF INTEREST IN THE TRUMP-RUSSIA INVESTIGATION WHO IS WORKING AS
A SENIOR WHITE HOUSE ADVISER. SHOULD WE SEE YOUR STORY TONIGHT
AS ESSENTIALLY A PART TWO? FRIDAY YOU SAID THERE WAS A
PERSON OF INTEREST, NOW YOU'RE NAMING THE PERSON.
DO THEY FIT TOGETHER THAT WAY? >> YES, DEFINITELY, THE PERSON
WE REFERRED TO LAST WEEK IS DEFINITELY JARED KUSHNER.
WE'VE DONE A LOT MORE REPORTING TO LOCK DOWN THAT THAT PERSON IS
JARED KUSHNER. WE'VE ALSO DONE MORE REPORTING
TO LOCK DOWN AT LEAST ONE COMPONENT OF WHAT THEY'RE
INTERESTED IN, THESE DECEMBER MEETINGS.
YOU MENTIONED FINANCIAL CRIMES. FINANCIAL CRIMES IS A PART OF
THIS. I THINK WE'RE ONE STEP SHORT OF
WHERE YOU WANT TO GO WHICH IS THAT THEY SUSPECT SOME FINANCIAL
WRONGDOING ON JARED KUSHNER. I, LIKE YOUR REPORTERS, WOULD
STOP SHORT OF SAYING HE'S A SUSPECT IN THIS.
BUT THERE'S A DEFINITELY A LOT OF REASON TO BE INTERESTED IN
HIM. >> LET ME BE SPECIFIC, I DON'T
WANT TO GO ANYWHERE THAT THE FACTS DON'T INDICATE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO BE SUPER CLEAR ON THAT.
YOU GUYS HAVE REPORTING THAT SAYS FINANCIAL CRIMES ARE OF
INTEREST. AND YOU GUYS HAVE REPORTING THAT
SAYS JARED KUSHNER IS A PERSON OF INTEREST IN THE TRUMP-RUSSIA
INVESTIGATION. BUT WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY
INFORMATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE INTEREST IN HIM IS DRIVEN BY
FINANCIAL CRIMES OR POTENTIAL FINANCIAL CRIMES?
>> YES, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. NOW, WE'RE NOT SAYING IT'S NOT.
BUT WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE THERE YET.
WE'RE NOT CONNECTING THE FINANCIAL CRIMES PIECE OF THIS
DIRECTLY TO JARED KUSHNER. THERE ARE OTHER FOLKS IN THE
INVESTIGATION WHO YOU MENTIONED, MIKE FLYNN AND PAUL MANMANAFORT
WHO MAYBE ARE MORE OBVIOUS ON THAT FRONT, ALTHOUGH KUSHNER HAS
BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME INTERACTIONS THAT MAYBE WOULD
GET YOUR FEELERS UP A LITTLE BIT.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'RE NOT YET CONNECTING THE FINANCIAL CRIMES
PIECE OF THIS TO KUSHNER. >> YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO
DO MORE REPORTING SO THAT YOU CAN NAME HIM.
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT COMMENTING ON THIS AT ALL.
OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY HAS BEEN CHAFING THIS STORY AS HARD AS
THEY CAN. ONCE YOU GUYS SAID PERSON OF
INTEREST IN THE WHITE HOUSE, EVERYBODY HAS BEEN TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT WHO IT IS. DO YOU SUSPECT THIS IS THE SORT
OF THING WHERE EITHER THE FBI OR THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WOULD
EVER MAKE A PUBLIC STATEMENT ABOUT THIS, IF HE DOES BECOME A
TARGET OF THE INVESTIGATION WHICH I KNOW YOU'RE NOT SAYING
HE IS NOW, IF HE DID BECOME A TARGET, WOULD WE EXPECT HIM OR
HIS LAWYERS TO BE NOTIFIED OF THAT FACT?
IS THAT HOW THIS WORKS? >> IN SOME INVESTIGATIONS THEY
WILL SEND WHAT'S CALLED A TARGET LETTER TO PEOPLE AND SAY, HEY,
YOU ARE THE TARGET OF THIS INVESTIGATION.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT WOULD WORK THAT WAY HERE.
IT WILL ALL BE UP NOW TO BOB MUELLER, WHO IS A FORMER FBI
DIRECTOR, WHO IS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL THAT'S LEADING THIS
THING NOW. HISTORICALLY HE HAS BEEN PRETTY
TIGHT-LIPPED ABOUT EVERYTHING. SO IF JARED KUSHNER WERE TO
BECOME THE TARGET OF THE INVESTIGATION, I DOUBT THAT HE
WOULD SORT OF GO TO CONGRESS OR GO TO THE PUBLIC AND SAY, QUICK
UPDATE, YOU KNOW, JARED KUSHNER IS THE TARGET.
>> OKAY. IT SEEMS LIKELY THAT
INVESTIGATORS MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THOSE MEETINGS
THAT KUSHNER HELD IN DECEMBER WITH A RUSSIAN OFFICIAL, THE
HEAD OF A RUSSIAN-STATE-RUN BANK THAT'S CLOSE TO PUTIN.
IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN HIS INTERACTIONS WITH RUSSIANS, WE
KNOW ABOUT THAT. YOU GUYS ARE ALSO REPORTING THAT
FBI AGENTS HAVE BEEN LOOKING MORE CLOSELY AT EARLIER
EXCHANGES BETWEEN TRUMP ASSOCIATES AND RUSSIANS THAT
DATE BACK A LONG TIME EARLIER, TO SPRING 2016.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US, IF ANYTHING, ABOUT THOSE MEETINGS?
>> YES, SO THERE'S ONE IN PARTICULAR, THIS APRIL 2016, I
CAN'T EVEN CALL IT A MEETING, BUT THERE'S AN EVENT AT THE
MAYFLOWER HOTEL WHERE KUSHNER IS AT AND SESSIONS IS AT AND
KISLYAK IS AT. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY TO WHAT
EXTENT IF ANY THAT KUSHNER AND KISLYAK INTACT AT THIS THING.
BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT INVESTIGATORS ARE INTERESTED IN
THIS APRIL EVENT. WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHY RIGHT
NOW, BUT WE THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE BROAD
STROKES OF THIS INVESTIGATION ARE COORDINATION BETWEEN THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND THE KREMLIN DURING THE CAMPAIGN.
AND APRIL IS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE ELECTION.
THE DECEMBER MEETINGS ARE ALL AFTER THE ELECTION.
AND THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD DEFEND KUSHNER WOULD SAY, WELL, LOOK,
HE IS THE PRESIDENT'S TOP FOREIGN POLICY GUY.
HE'S SORT OF A TRANSITION OFFICIAL AT THAT POINT.
HE'S WELL WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO BE HAVING MEETINGS OR
CONVERSATIONS WITH FOREIGN DIGNITARIES.
MAYBE A LITTLE WEIRD TO BE HAVING THEM WITH A RUSSIAN
BANKER AND THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR, GIVEN WHAT RUSSIA
JUST DID WITH OUR ELECTION, BUT THEY WOULD SAY, LOOK, HE'S
WITHIN HIS RIGHTS TO DO THAT. THE PRE-ELECTION MEETING MAYBE
IS OF INTEREST BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, DURING THE CAMPAIGN.
WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE, ALTHOUGH WE ARE TOLD THAT THAT APRIL
MEETING IS OF INVESTIGATIVE INTEREST, OR THAT APRIL EVENT, I
SHOULD SAY. >> FASCINATING AND SUPER CLEAR.
MATT, COVERING THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT FOR "THE WASHINGTON
POST," BY-LINED IN THI
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